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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)
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Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
First half of season 1 was borked because they couldn't use any scripts that referenced The Winter Soldier.
Back half of season 1 gets far more interesting when it portrays significant events that happen as fallout from the movies.
Ep. 17 "Turn Turn Turn", if I'm not mistaken.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Go get on that. It's the most accomplished of all Marvel movies so far, even if it's not as stupendously entertaining as Avengers.
Note: I have yet to watch Guardians of the Galaxy.
GOTG is funnier and has some effective emotional moments, but I still prefer TWS. I just love the frantic, almost paranoid pace the film has during its middle part.
So yeah, go watch The Winter Soldier. It's a shame that the best Agents of SHIELD episodes happen during/after TWS, so you've got a very boring stretch of episodes (with few, notable exceptions) to get there.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Posted/fake or not? No big spoilers, but Talbot is apparently in the Season opener. http://tvline.com/2014/08/07/once-upon-a-time-season-4-belle-backstory/
FLYING MAN
FLYING MAN
Posted/fake or not? No big spoilers, but Talbot is apparently in the Season opener. http://tvline.com/2014/08/07/once-upon-a-time-season-4-belle-backstory/
FLYING MAN
i can believe it. as Coulson rebuilds SHIELD, he also has to rebuild relations with the government
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I'm liking it. Admittedly, it has an awful start. The first few episodes are pretty bad, especially the pilot but once it gets going, it gets a lot better.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
IIRC it didn't pick up until about 3/4th of the way through the season.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
Just power through the first 10-12 episodes. Everything after that gets much better. Especially over once the TWS tie in happens.
Father_Brain
Banned
Honestly, if you wanted, you could just start at E12 and just read the Wikipedia synopses for the first half of the season. Maybe watch E6-7, those were both pretty solid.
dead souls
Member
Much better is vastly overstating it. The show goes from an F to maybe a D+.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Watch the Sif episode for Sif. I'd wiki the rest.
BumblebeeCody
Member
It makes sense to me. It's what I thought at first anyway.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, if they were at least consistently going for a family-friendly tone, it might not have been quite as problematic, but by the fifth episode we had things like a woman being graphically burned alive onscreen.
But I mostly agree with your point. While there's plenty of blame to go around for the creative missteps made in the first half of the season, a lot of it can be pinned on ABC's (and probably Loeb/Bell's) idiotic idea of making a SHIELD show that could appeal to people who'd never read a comic or even seen a Marvel Studios movie. That could maybe have worked for something like Agent Carter or the Netflix shows, which are set solidly in their own corner of the MCU, but it was never a workable approach for a show whose premise inextricably ties it to MCU film canon.
If they'd had the sense to focus on the show's natural target demographic (males 18-34) from day one, rather than pursuing a four-quadrant hit, it'd probably have gotten off to a much stronger start.
To each his own, but I'd break it down like this:
E1-11 - C- (I still liked and enjoyed these episodes anyway, but I can't call most of them "good" by any reasonable definition)
E12-16 - B-
E17-22 - B/B+
Keyser Soze
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What are the odds on Age of Ultron messing with Season 2 - similar to Capt messing with Season 1?
Looking at how things might line up (32 Weeks of TV with Agent Carter), and how ABC will no doubt be happy to skip weeks without airing an episode , I am getting a feeling both Age of Ultron and the Season Finale could end up showing in the same week - that could lead to some interesting.things for the universe of the show.
At least it looks like the show will have a much cleaner run this season without two films getting in the way mid season - if anything happens, it should be near the end - or at the very end.
I'd be interested in some silly crossover stuff to end S2 - even if it has to be convoluted as all hell
Looking at how things might line up (32 Weeks of TV with Agent Carter), and how ABC will no doubt be happy to skip weeks without airing an episode , I am getting a feeling both Age of Ultron and the Season Finale could end up showing in the same week - that could lead to some interesting.things for the universe of the show.
At least it looks like the show will have a much cleaner run this season without two films getting in the way mid season - if anything happens, it should be near the end - or at the very end.
I'd be interested in some silly crossover stuff to end S2 - even if it has to be convoluted as all hell
PHOENIXZERO
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Hard to say but if anything stuff might lead up to the movie with maybe some elements of the season finale cliffhanger and episodes leading up to it but the movie is going to be out after the season should end so it shouldn't hold back the show the way TWS did.
Father_Brain
Banned
Huh? No, the movie opens May 1. The season should only end before then if it's cut short.
I'd be surprised if the last arc on AoS didn't lead into/involve AoU somehow. Also (potential character spoiler for AoU)
wasn't Triplett photographed on set of AoU? So they're probably going to tie in somehow.
Correct, and if one considers the May sweeps, there could at least be 3 episodes after Age Of Ultron.
And since Agent Carter and SHIELD will share a timeslot, it is likely that there will be back-to-back episodes until then. So there are opportunities for leading in
BlackNMild2k1
Member
I'm pretty sure AoU will do to AoS S2 as TWS did to AoS S1.
There will be at least 2-3 episodes after the movie hits, and those events will affect events on the show leading into the season finale....
and then Ant-Man happens 2 months afterwards.
So the real question is, will AoS find a way to lead into Ant-Man?
There will be at least 2-3 episodes after the movie hits, and those events will affect events on the show leading into the season finale....
and then Ant-Man happens 2 months afterwards.
So the real question is, will AoS find a way to lead into Ant-Man?
bananafactory
Banned
It sucks that the blu ray release for this is so late. September 9th? Only gives me 2 weeks to rewatch it all.
I don't think Whedon can pull that off again. It would be cheap at this point.
And Triplett isn't as established as Coulson in the MCU to have that kind of pull with the Avengers.
"There's one other person you've pissed off, and his name is Triplett."
eastx
Member
Yeah, they really dropped the ball on that. I guess they want the premiere of Season 2 to inspire people to go back and buy Season 1.
My theory is he'll show up with a group of agents to back up the Avengers informing them that Director Coulson sends his regards but is too busy rebuilding SHIELD to be there.
First half is going to be rough.
http://io9.com/which-episodes-you-must-watch-to-catch-up-on-agents-of-1572676925
You don't really need to watch them all.
BlackNMild2k1
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That's the one with the crazy weather right?
they should also include the one where Sky is in the red dress -
Graviton
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The second half is fairly awesome.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
"Awesome" may be too strong a word, specially with so many incredible shows out there.
More like "enjoyable".
More like "enjoyable".
Sevket-Erhat
Member
With DC shows like Flash and GOTHAM and Marvel ones like Agent Carter I don't think I will continue watching. I really dig the nerd Brit girl though
Nope. The only thing I can say to last third [not last half] is that it was... not garbage. It was around "good".
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I'm so looking forward Agent Carter it's kind of ridiculous. I hope they don't screw that one like AoS. This time writers won't be tied by release schedules nor plot limits.
I think you mixed up "fairly" and "comparatively"
and yes, Agent Carter should be great. I'm looking forward to some serious WW2 era spy shit, even IF it's a fictional WW2.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
AoS writers are terrible.
It seems like more of the movie folks are working on Agent Carter, so it really gives me some confidence in it.
*All* of the movie folks.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Jemma Simmons. I like her too.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
Gotham hasn't really proven to be good yet has it? Have there been early reviews of the first episodes?
But maybe S2 of AoS will be better streamed for you. You can play catch up (assuming decent to good GAF reviews) before the AoU tie-in... or just tune in for the AoU tie-in.
Father_Brain
Banned
Haven't most of the writers done solid work on other genre shows?
I don't mean to absolve them of blame for S1's creative missteps, but given the considerable constraints they were likely under from ABC, Loeb/Bell, and Marvel Studios proper, I wouldn't consider SHIELD the best measure of their talent.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
I don't know who's in the writers room outside of the showrunners, but they pretty much squandered their opportunity to tell SHIELD (in its heyday) stories. They knew TWS was coming and what the outcome was.
I'm sure ABC/Loeb/Bell didn't exactly help the situation. I don't think Marvel Studios drawing the line on certain characters/situations was as much of a problem as people make it out to be. They don't explain terrible characterizations or forced references to movies. (Well, Loeb/Bell might've played a part in that...)
They were originally trying to make a show for unicorns.
Father_Brain
Banned
As far as Marvel Studios goes, the biggest problem was that they wouldn't allow the show to touch anything that might hint at the HYDRA reveal in TWS until just before the film was out: no SHIELD-based villains or anything that portrayed any part of SHIELD in an explicitly negative light. That killed a huge portion of the show's potential storylines right there. (While the showrunners didn't say so, I'm also guessing that episodes exploring SHIELD's history and structure were mostly off-limits as well, SHIELD Academy aside.)
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