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Potential Ant-Man crossover?
They not going to have money for some pym particle action.
MHWilliams
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BlackNMild2k1
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It's a shame they can't just film episodes of the show on the Movie set during movie production and wrap that into the movie's budget, which it will more than likely recoup x10.
It would be pretty funny to be on set, ready to Take five, when you notice coulson and crew watching from the wings. then the script director hands out a small script, you guys shoot some quick scenes for half a day that had nothing to do with the movie, and then jump back into whatever you were previously shooting before that.
Then they get the ILM/Disney interns to do the special effects, and bury the cost in the movie budget where no one will ever notice it (I'm sure there is something immoral, if not illegal about that whole scenario when it comes to accounting).
spindoctor
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Wasn't the prevailing theory that he would be Taskmaster?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I can dig it.
eastx
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Yeah, I've always contended that they should create props and costumes for one of the movies and then use them in the show (whether those things actually show up in the movie or not). CG models too.
fallengorn
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I dig it. Better than the idea of him being Taskmaster.
But we know what Ward looks like and his backstory, which just kills any chance of him being Taskmaster. Marvel likes to keep the core of the character even with they change a few details. The worse you can say about Taskmaster is he kills people for money, he would never believe in a cause like Hydra. Or be mind fuck so thoroughly.
Mandarin, goddammit.
R_thanatos
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Pai Pai Master
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why the hell isn't Season 1 listed for pre-order on Amazon? Same deal as with Cap 2?
not finding it on BestBuy either
not finding it on BestBuy either
Amazon and Disney are fighting.
*http://www.bestbuy.com/site/marvels-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d--comp-first-season-blu-ray-disc/8124008.p?id=3252171&skuId=8124008&st=Agents%20of%20S.H.I.E.L.D.&lp=1&cp=1
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-blu-ray-disc/5886104.p;jsessionid=609F57204F7A8132704883F04F83ED89.bbolsp-app04-126?id=3253899&skuId=5886104&st=Captain%20America:%20The%20Winter%20Soldier&lid=KEYWORD_TOP_Se%20captain%20america%203%20sku_THREESKU_SINGLE_5886104_TXT
Scorpion Soldier
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Amazon is still having a dispute with Disney. They're having a feud with them over pricing, same as they did over e-book prices.
Best Buy is accepting pre-orders though:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/marvels...d=8124008&st=agents of s.h.i.e.l.d.&lp=1&cp=1
You have to search for S.H.I.E.L.D. to find it though.
EDIT: BLACKLAC beat me to it.
I thought he was pretty good in that Marvel short where he stops the hold-up of the gas station convenience store, but maybe that was just good camera work.
Funky Papa
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Yeah, that's one of my main complains. He was pretty convincing at the gas station, but awful in SHIELD. I'm not sure if the director told him to step up or if it was just camera work.
Pai Pai Master
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Cool thanks guys.
The amount of money they spent on that one might have something to do with it as well.
According to Eric Pearson in an interview for Marvel Studios: Assembling a Universe, the action scene in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer took up 80% of the budget for the first two One-Shots leaving only enough money for two people talking, forcing Pearson to come up with the idea for The Consultant.
Pai Pai Master
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Well I would assume SHIELD has a much higher budget than the one-shots ever could have dreamed of having. It's just bad direction in the TV show I think. None of the action in the show looks very good with a few exceptions. I think the only fight scene I really enjoyed (or remembered) was Ward vs. May in the finale.
First pic of Lucy Lawless
still such a gorgous woman.
I very much enjoyed her scenes in Spartacus
Noisepurge
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I am not so sure about that, but I guess in the end it is an apple to oranges comparsion.
The endcredits for the One-Shots are surprisingly long, with many names working on them.
And a whole bunch of the budget on TV-shows is spent on the actors, while the first 2 one-shots had 5 or 6 six actors total.
I would not be surprised, if the first one-shot had a bigger budget than an action scene in SHIELD, if you could up with a fair way to compare them.
I liked most if not all fight scenes in SHIELD, and I usually do not like fight scenes.
Which TV-show has better fight scenes?
LonelyVagrant
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I may be in the minority in this one or not even sure if anyone had seen this show, but I thought Human Target had some pretty terrific fight scenes.
Human Target Fight Scene
Another Fight Scene...
GuitarAtomik
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A lot of shows. I know we don't like to bring Arrow comparisons in to this thread, but Arrow consistently has much better fight scenes. Even the first season of Hannibal has a hand to hand fight scene that's much better than almost anything on the show. The only ones on SHIELD I remember actually liking were Ward's very first fight in the pilot and the Ward/May fight scene. Most everything else has been average to bad.
I never got into Human Target (besides being one of the few people who saw the earlier Human Target show)
I liked those 2 scenes, maybe would cut 30 seconds from the first one.
I will jumpstart Arrow soon on season 2, and am planning to catch the Flash show, so I will see.
I realized I liked SHIELD's fight scenes after the episode "Repairs",
because I really like the fights against the teleporting man.
Normally fight scenes bore, and I just wait for them to be over ...
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Arrow is a good one. The camera work is not what I'd call spectacular, but the show deserves props for using the environment in creative ways, whereas SHIELD's action scenes are just Quake II rooms filled with crates.
Hannibal is also insane, despite not being an action show. S2 has some incredible hand to hand fight scene. Actually, the fight is the central point of the entire episode, and it's fucking bananas.
If you go premium, there's nothing, *nothing* that compares to Cinemax's Banshee and Strike Back. The quality of the stunts and the risks they take are out of this world. They actually put to shame most Hollywood movies these days. Quoting myself from a different post:
Absolutely nothing on TV touches Banshee's shit-stomping action nor Strike-Back's shootouts. We are talking about two shows that positively embarrass 90% of the big budget films out there. I mean, the latest season finale of Strike-Back was like one continous "holy fuck, I can't believe they are doing that".
As for Banshee...
The crazy dude in the car chase up there? That's not a double, but one of the main actors. With no wires. On a real highway. Because fuck safety regulations and fuck stuntmen.
gdlk tv
Lone_Prodigy
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Strike Back's action is ridiculous. They had a long sequence on a train and it wasn't even the finale.
Funky Papa
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Every episode of Strike Back has finale-worthy action and general batnuttery.
Most baller show on TV by a country mile.
In a perfect world Strike Back's showrunners would be hired to direct the next season of AoS once their show ends. It would probably be something near the caliber of Captain America 2, just with less CG and a whole lot more of shitkicking and people getting blasted to hell with small caliber weapons.
LonelyVagrant
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Alright, now I definitely should check out Strike Back, Banshee and Hannibal...
Strike Back is on my backlog,
I did not like Banshee's pilot.
My problem with fight scenes, is not the lack of capable stunt works, but that they are mostly a hurdle, that has zero influence on the story, and could often be trimmed down a lot.
The Human Target examples above look nice, and are thankfully short.
I hope Strike Back does not have too long fight scenes, or mixes them up a bit.
I have never seen Power Rangers since the first broadcast of season 1 over here, but I assume you mean that as a bad thing.
I have a hard time putting it into words,
but it is OK for me, if the fight look bad, as long as there is something else going on, for example a cut to another plot-thread.
UnnecessaryTodd
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Just watched this whole series after starting it earlier this month and I was REALLY happy with how everything happened. I quit after 2-3 episodes at first because of the awkward cheesy dialogue, less-than-interesting characters and just not entertaining vibes, but getting to watch it all at once was a thrill-ride.
My problems were many early on and I'm sure a lot of you felt the same but Fitz and Simmons felt like one character combined, and a lazy character at that. Just technobabble and generic geekiness with no real depth. It wasn't until they were split up that I started to like them, and the show as a whole. I believe it was The Hub where they were first split up? Or at least to any reasonable extent and this was the first episode that I actually enjoyed and it started to draw me in to the show and the characters.
I've never read any comics of any kind Marvel or otherwise so I don't have any idea for what is and isn't canon or what to expect from ANY of these characters so... here we go:
This was a problem with a lot of characters early on. It felt like a bunch of sidekicks to Coulson and Skye's story but they started pairing off the characters and I really enjoyed watching a relationship build between all the different combinations. Particularly I came to enjoy Simmons' relationships with people and I never would've expected this going in but I found her by far the funniest character on the show. Coulson is a close second but Simmons just got me right in the funny bone. Especially when she answered "The TARDIS" to the island question while they were at Providence, it completely took me by surprise and I had to actually rewind to see what i'd missed over the sound of my own laughter. (This probably has to do with the fact that I've only recently finished watching the Doctor Who reboot immediately prior to this series)
Ward easily was my least favourite character up until Turn, Turn, Turn because he seemed so generic... but the fact that this was probably intentional has made me retroactively love the performance. I couldn't have been more indifferent to him but once he flipped Hydra I was completely tense in every scene where he was at Providence and nobody knew he was a spy. Especially because I loved Eric, both the actor and his character, and was quite saddened that he was killed off (And doubley delighted when Billy showed up).
Skye really annoyed me for a long time as well... (recurring theme here) and I'm still not entirely clear as to her current relationship with the Rising Tide... that seemed to be shoved under the rug with the boyfriend thing? Anyway, once they movedthe 'is she loyal' storyline aside I was completely on board. Her being 'Of Unknown Origin' is much more interesting and will be a much more satisfying conclusion I hope. I especially enjoyed her during the time when she knew Ward was Hydra.
Melinda May took the longest for me to really 'get' her. She was just stoic muscle but like with Ward this became a positive once we got into the tail end. Overall this first season was just a rollercoaster ride from beginning to end. Satisfying, entertaining and I really cared about all the characters by the end of it. I'm crazy excited for season 2 in a monthish(?)
My problems were many early on and I'm sure a lot of you felt the same but Fitz and Simmons felt like one character combined, and a lazy character at that. Just technobabble and generic geekiness with no real depth. It wasn't until they were split up that I started to like them, and the show as a whole. I believe it was The Hub where they were first split up? Or at least to any reasonable extent and this was the first episode that I actually enjoyed and it started to draw me in to the show and the characters.
I've never read any comics of any kind Marvel or otherwise so I don't have any idea for what is and isn't canon or what to expect from ANY of these characters so... here we go:
This was a problem with a lot of characters early on. It felt like a bunch of sidekicks to Coulson and Skye's story but they started pairing off the characters and I really enjoyed watching a relationship build between all the different combinations. Particularly I came to enjoy Simmons' relationships with people and I never would've expected this going in but I found her by far the funniest character on the show. Coulson is a close second but Simmons just got me right in the funny bone. Especially when she answered "The TARDIS" to the island question while they were at Providence, it completely took me by surprise and I had to actually rewind to see what i'd missed over the sound of my own laughter. (This probably has to do with the fact that I've only recently finished watching the Doctor Who reboot immediately prior to this series)
Ward easily was my least favourite character up until Turn, Turn, Turn because he seemed so generic... but the fact that this was probably intentional has made me retroactively love the performance. I couldn't have been more indifferent to him but once he flipped Hydra I was completely tense in every scene where he was at Providence and nobody knew he was a spy. Especially because I loved Eric, both the actor and his character, and was quite saddened that he was killed off (And doubley delighted when Billy showed up).
Skye really annoyed me for a long time as well... (recurring theme here) and I'm still not entirely clear as to her current relationship with the Rising Tide... that seemed to be shoved under the rug with the boyfriend thing? Anyway, once they movedthe 'is she loyal' storyline aside I was completely on board. Her being 'Of Unknown Origin' is much more interesting and will be a much more satisfying conclusion I hope. I especially enjoyed her during the time when she knew Ward was Hydra.
Melinda May took the longest for me to really 'get' her. She was just stoic muscle but like with Ward this became a positive once we got into the tail end. Overall this first season was just a rollercoaster ride from beginning to end. Satisfying, entertaining and I really cared about all the characters by the end of it. I'm crazy excited for season 2 in a monthish(?)
In this context, what did you think of the episode F.Z.Z.T.?
I'm not UnnecessaryTodd but that was my favorite episode of the entire season.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The Strike Back guys need to do the Punisher TV show.
Pai Pai Master
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I think FZZT was the first legit great episode, but I was telling my friend to watch the show and see Cap 2 and I realized I didn't hate a lot of those early episodes nearly as much as I felt I did when watching the show in real time.
The long breaks made the season much worse to me overall, but I don't think there's an outright bad episode in the front half except for episode 2.
The long breaks made the season much worse to me overall, but I don't think there's an outright bad episode in the front half except for episode 2.
Funky Papa
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Banshee's pilot was kinda iffy. I didn't quite like it either, but it blew into another dimension after the second or third episode. Think Spartacus.
And Jesus Christ, somebody give Frank Castle to the SB guys. I'm sure they'd love to work with the character.
I'm rewatching them again right now and I'm finding that a lot of the stuff that bothered me before is less of a problem knowing where it all goes. I initially didn't like the sort of "freak of the week" format but in the end, there aren't that many episodes that don't actually tie in to the big twist later on. I still don't think it's a great show but I still like it a lot.
It seems like Marvel is holding back anything they might want to use in a movie and to me, that will always keep Agents of Shield in the minor leagues.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah they basically had to hold off on actually resolving a lot of arcs brought up in the first half because they couldn't spoil the plot twist that Cap 2 would eventually reveal. It felt like they were just treading water, but then everything came together pretty well in the 2nd half.
The way the show worked around the movie was pretty brilliant, but it definitely hurt impressions as a result. I don't know if it's worth it in the long run because of how much viewership dropped off after the first few episodes, but it was definitely a unique way of doing a TV series.
Hopefully now that they've successfully removed SHIELD from the forefront of the movies, I'm hoping that Season 2 does not suffer from that problem.
BlackNMild2k1
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Maybe that's why Marvel hasn't announced it yet. Waiting for them to be available.
Shootout like that on a "Netflix" TV budget for an MCU property would be amazing.
Have the people from Strike back handle all the stunt and prop action, then get the people from Banshee to do all the hand to hand upclose and personal ass kicking scenes, and then we truly have some must watch Marvel TV.
Kai Dracon
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Thinking about the show's future I wonder if Marvel intends for there to be any interplay at all between Agents of SHIELD and non-ABC shows, like the Netflix series. I don't know if it's likely. But it seems like a great purpose for AoS would be as a hub of sorts for television Marvel. Logically the slowly rebuilding SHIELD should be contending with the rise of countless street level heroes and adventurers.
Might represent an advertising opportunity for the Netflix shows. AoS functions as a sneak peek at what's going on over in those series.
Might represent an advertising opportunity for the Netflix shows. AoS functions as a sneak peek at what's going on over in those series.
FZZT is arguably the best episode of the series' first half and one of the best of the season. It manages to take these two technobabble-mouthpiece characters and develop them beyond their initial setup. Something that most early episodes couldn't or wouldn't do - and it's a shame no other episodes near FZZT (either shortly before or shortly after) could actually stand up to it. Don't even get me started on that failure of a Thor "crossover".
It's also great that the climatic moment of the episode (Simmons' sacrifice and Ward's rescue) was eventually referenced after Ward's heel turn. It was a nice character moment that illustrated Fitz's disbelief that the man who risked his life to save a team mate would be a HYDRA agent; and on the other hand, it showed Ward was willing to do anything to gain the support of his teammates and pass unnoticed.
GuitarAtomik
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I don't think so. I imagine they'll keep the Netflix shows largely quarantined from everything else with the exception of maybe some off-hand mentions in AoS and/or cameos in future movies where it would actually make sense (like fighting Thanos).
BlackNMild2k1
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I'm not so sure. I think AoS should be the "HUB" for the heroes into the MCU, as Coulson and Co. track down and monitor these new heroes that pop up. It's very easy for them to have a cameo just to be that connective tissue in the background and let everyone know that #itsallconnected
Only problem is that Daredevil airs probably mid to late May, so the only way they would interact or cross over on AoS (to draw attention to the Netflix shows) would be at the very end of the season and during whatever the Age of Ultron crossover arc will be.
Although I imagine it could be done in a season finale post credits scene where Couslon assigns the new mission to monitor some new activity in NY, two individuals, one goes by the name Daredevil and the other is Jessica Jones (or whatever her superhero name was before she hung up the cape).
Aren't the Netflix shows supposedly different in tone?
Darker and less family friendly?
I guess that will lead us to a situation like Doctor Who/Torchwood, which did not really have crossovers,
and at end felt like they were in different universes.
(which they may actually be, now)
"Oh no, Skye is in New York and accused of murder, we have to hire a lawyer for her"
I did not like "The Well" that much as well, and I think the basic idea is solid.
It just needed a better execution, or a b-story.
Also some poeple in this thread conisdered it their favourite episode,
so I guess the episode did something right at the end.
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