She didn't give him the gun. She set up the prop plate for the gun. The gun was given to him by the assistant director, who was said to have checked the gun before giving it to Baldwin.
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Alec Baldwin Kills Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins With Real Gun
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Always thought that there is a person (or more) on a movie set, responsible for making sure the firearms are up to the respective scene requirements.
So basically every single extra in, say a WW themed movie is responsible for checking the gun they use.
Sounds correct and i think fair, but also a bit strange...maybe some actors/extras have no clue about weapons, which is why i imagine an acredited person should have the final check.
So basically every single extra in, say a WW themed movie is responsible for checking the gun they use.
Sounds correct and i think fair, but also a bit strange...maybe some actors/extras have no clue about weapons, which is why i imagine an acredited person should have the final check.
Hari Seldon
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I thought they had a person but it was some nepotism hire that had no actual qualifications.
Well, to be fair, hereditary assumption of a movie set task is pretty common. Their armorer comes from a VERY distinguished line of the same. It's not like you can go to CalBerkely and major in "movie props n'shit".
The production was low budget. The staff was overtasked. There are reports of on set weapons being used off set for target practice. There are rumors of malicious intent to sabotage the shoot (poor choice of words) by seeding the prop ammo with live rounds when the production moved away from union labor for cost/safety reasons.
Not sure if any of that panned out but it's shocking if true. Still doesn't absolve Baldwin of pointing a live gun at a woman, cocking it, and pulling the trigger no matter WHAT he thought was gonna happen.
But it mostly pushes his responsibility to the manager side rather than acting side IMHO. He might have THOUGHT he was aiming off center of mass, maybe it was a ricochet, hard to say from here. His failure was letting that round get into the gun, I bet he could convince a jury it wasn't his duty to inspect the gun himself or adhere to strict firearm safety rules in the course of filming.
Would a lead actor get fired for doing it if the gun when "click" instead? Doubt it. I wonder how many stuntmen get shit canned for that stuff though.
BouncyFrag
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Seriously, this fucking guy.....
news.yahoo.com
Baldwin told CNN that the stress of these accusations has “taken years off my life”.
Alec Baldwin says he’s lost five jobs since Rust shooting and ‘years’ off his life due to stress
‘I got fired from another job yesterday,’ Baldwin told CNN
Baldwin told CNN that the stress of these accusations has “taken years off my life”.
mansoor1980
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so much stress for baldwin
mansoor1980
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ManaByte
Gold Member
He learned to fly a helicopter at the John Landis School of Helicopter Safety.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Fck this arsehole.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Alec Baldwin could soon face charges for role in fatal ‘Rust’ shooting: DA
District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies didn’t disclose who those four people are but noted in the request “one of the possible defendants is well known movie actor Alec Baldwin.”
nypost.com
Brazen
Member
It's one thing to make a mistake that cost someone their life. It's really really something else to then misconstrue that mistake to try and cover your own image. You already screwed up! You know all attention/experts are on you now, why not be clean about everything? It just goes to show he never cared and is nothing more than a narcissist, and/or a socio/psychopath. These terms may as well be synonyms with Hollywood at this point.
Speaking of being Hollywood, not expecting anything to happen beyond a slap on the wrist or more self-humiliation.
Speaking of being Hollywood, not expecting anything to happen beyond a slap on the wrist or more self-humiliation.
dem
Member
What the fuck are you all on about?
Hate Baldwin all you want... he's a douche... but he's an actor that was handed a gun on set.
If an actor his handed a gun... it is SAFE. If it's not safe.. that has nothing to do with the actor.
Punishment for the actor would be absurd.
Hate Baldwin all you want... he's a douche... but he's an actor that was handed a gun on set.
If an actor his handed a gun... it is SAFE. If it's not safe.. that has nothing to do with the actor.
Punishment for the actor would be absurd.
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DeepEnigma
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"That set was SOOOO real! I thought all the cameras were hidden in the ceiling and this was a 'found footage' film like Blair Witch!"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
We are already starting to see massive breakdowns in the blatant two-sided justice system, more than ever the past few years.
dem
Member
There is literally a person on set to make sure the gun is safe.
That's why the person is there.
You are never supposed to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger... but they are making a frickin movie. There is a professional on set that is supposed to prove the guns safe. If a professional who has proven the gun safe hands you the gun... it's safe. That's how the the system works.
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dem
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If you are literally the safety officer in charge of making sure the guns are safe... its on YOU. That's why the fucking job exists. No one is trusting a fucking actor.
It's supposed to be a controlled movie set.
No one is out there trusting the Scarlett Johansson's of the world to prove a gun safe on a movie set.
Do you think the actors load the blanks into a gun themselves?
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Majukun
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no you are not.
i mean, as an actor your job requires you to point the gun at someone and pull the trigger
someone else's job is assuring that the gun it gave you is not capable of doing harm
dem
Member
The basics of gun safety?
The basics of gun safety say don't point a gun at someone even if you've proven it safe.
Except you're an actor on a fucking movie set and your job is to point the gun at someone.
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Actually.....YES!!! On the most professional sets this is HOW IT IS. The actor, being the one to actually handle the weapon AND the one with the most direct responsibility, DOES load the weapon and acts as a final safety check.
You can go back and read this thread, though know you won't, but there is significant debate about whether the revolver
A. should have even been loaded AT ALL
B. been pointed toward a human AT ALL
C. had the hammer cocked and trigger depressed AT ALL
all three of these things falls directly on Alec as the actor. Even if you are a slapdick and waive him of responsibility for A, he still is culpable for B. and C., as BOTH OF THOSE THINGS are MAJOR STUNTS ON SET and require EXTENSIVE PREP. You don't just grab a gat full of blanks and start popping them off like a moron, even if it looks that way on camera.
But you do you.
Mistake
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Dude, I’ve shot guns for the past 20 years and my mother has more qualifications for gun training than state police. You’re wrong. You treat all guns as if they’re loaded. Doesn’t matter if it was done in front of your face, or by an instructor. You check the gun, every time
Doesn’t matter. Still have to check it. And if he did, that woman would be alive. But Baldwin is a clown and notoriously anti gun, so he’s gone his whole career avoiding basic training and treating lethal weapons as toys. Now a woman is dead
DeepEnigma
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Yep.
4 Primary Rules of Firearm Safety
While you’re at the shooting range or anywhere you handle a firearm safety ALWAYS comes first. Here are the 4 Primary Rules of Firearms Safety.
www.nssf.org
The 4 Universal Gun Safety Rules, Plus a Few More You Should Follow ·
Protecting myself and those I care about is what first interested me about firearms. Given my goal of being more safe in more situations, it'd be
machinegunsvegas.com
4 Rules of Gun Safety
When manipulating a firearm, there are 4 rules of gun safety that must ALWAYS be obeyed. Remember: loaded, destroy, finger, target.
www.agirlandagun.org
The neat part of the 4 basic rules of firearm safety, is that they're designed where you need to violate more than 1 for bad shit to happen.
Brandon Herrera explains a few moments in from a Darwin award winner.
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Majukun
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if he had to check it, they wouldn't have a guy whose job is to check, wouldn't it?
i get that you don't like him because he is anti gun, but he was just doing his job while someone else didn't do his.
Please stop spreading this anti-science fake news, you will get someone killed.
Alec Baldwin isn't some noob on his first movie set. The guy has EXTENSIVE gun handling in films like Hunt for Red October and The Shadow. He KNOWS that "the right way" is for multiple checks, ending with the operator/actor on camera. He KNOWS you don't point a firearm at an actor or the crew without safety shields or even MORE checks on the firearm. He KNOWS you NEVER PULL THE TRIGGER WHILE POINTING IT AT THE CREW DURING REHERSAL, I mean, jesus H. CHRIST how hard is that to sink in for some of you guys?
This wasn't a stunt gone wrong. This seems like it was a rehearsal/camera set-up with an improperly cleared firearm and a sloppy actor fucking around. The crew wasn't safe, Alec wasn't acting safe, the revolver FOR SURE wasn't safe.
Mistake
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That’s basically a kind of insurance. Nice to have and all, but that’s still putting safety in someone else’s hands. When it comes to firearms, the only one you can trust is yourself. Guns require you to have a certain mindset so these mistakes don’t happen, which is why it’s so important to follow gun safety rules. This kind of thing has even happened to me, where I’m told they keep it unloaded and then a shell pops out…
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StreetsofBeige
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All this Baldwin stuff whatever.
I'm actually more surprised that all the giant tv and movie companies, third party prop companies, etc.... that movies still use real guns. You'd think at some point they'd convert all their real guns to 1000s of prop guns various movie sets can rent and share that are super safe.
Hell, the media industry has only had 100 years worth of business to get around to it.
I'm actually more surprised that all the giant tv and movie companies, third party prop companies, etc.... that movies still use real guns. You'd think at some point they'd convert all their real guns to 1000s of prop guns various movie sets can rent and share that are super safe.
Hell, the media industry has only had 100 years worth of business to get around to it.
Hawking Radiation
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Wow, I thought that would be common sense lol
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For the most part this is true, but if you wanna muzzle flash or smoke cloud you need an open barrel and a powder charge of some sort. Only recently has CGI taken over the look of most weapons (lot harder for black powder western stuff though) as well as the squib hit impact. So now you have all those "shoot 'em in the face" scenes that previously were far too dangerous but now are everywhere. And now actors wave around rubber duck weapons and imitate recoil with weapons that don't cycle despite a big ole muzzle flash. Looks terrible even if it is safer.
Go back and watch pre-90's action films as see how clever they were with editing to hide that almost NO ONE was actually shooting at or even near ANYONE.
Plus Hollywood has used real weapons nor near real weapons for a CENTURY with relatively few mishaps BECAUSE ACTORS TOOK RESPONSIBILITY and didn't offload it to some flunky.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Except prop guns are often loaded with dummy rounds or blanks. They are never loaded with real bullets because there aren't any real bullets on set. Most people, even after shooting all their life, will never encounter a blank or dummy round. Actors have to take a gun that looks loaded and point and shoot it at people.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If there's been hardly any cases of gun accidents and deaths on set from real guns, then this Baldwin issue should really be a non-issue. It was just a bad luck or dumb ass event. Anyone's call. But rare. If it wasnt Baldwin and it was a lighting crew guy goofing with a gun and accidentally shot the cameraman, nobody would care this much.
Although rare, it's one of those things which I think Hollywood could get rid of if they really want ultimate safety (which they don't). I'm not going to debate authenticity of real guns vs fake CGI, but I think 99% of people watching a movie wont notice or even care if it's fake weapons. As long as it looks and sounds good enough, only hardcore watchers will notice unless the prop is so bad.
Its like people noticing shit on Movie Mistakes that the clock radio in movie X is wrong because that clock radio came out in 1988 but the movie is supposed to be set in 1985. Ok, the guy who noticed it is right, but who cares.
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Mistake
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I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t take much experience to see the weight between the two, especially when full
You have it backward. That there are so few on set injuries is a testament to the DEVOTION TO SAFETY by so much of the cast and crew. A well run Hollywood set with union employees is hyper safety conscious and it's been that way for decades. RUST dropped the ball in a lot of areas, Alec failed to listen to his DECADES of experience, and bad luck struck and a woman is dead. But had Alec just not pulled that trigger or at least pointed the gun in a safe direction she would be home with her kid right now and we could be debating if the armorer fucked up letting a live round onset but golly its a good thing no one was killed.
Brazen
Member
Just the contrary, had I accidently shot someone I would absolutely love for my name to be Alec Baldwin. Not only would certain people not care enough to take me to jail right then and there. But also having the benefit of complete randoms on the internet caring enough to downplay my mistakes/actions so I wouldn't need to own up to them.
It must be utterly surreal to being born/gifted into that kind of privilege and lucky of a life.
Lesson 1 on every gun safety course, and from everyone that actually knows anything about firearms, you treat every gun as if its loaded
dr_octagon
Banned
Alec Baldwin is narcissistic, callous and doesn't give care about safety, the woman he killed or taking responsibility.
This wasn't an accident, negligence by someone who cares more about media interviews than someone he killed.
Tom Cruise and other actors making action films with guns haven't killed anyone.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Lesson 1 in chemistry safety is to not mess around with hazardous chemicals, dont ingest them, get them in your eyes or on your skin, wear proper PPE and use fume hoods etc. But an actor might be asked to take a bottle labeled sulfuric acid, with a clearly marked hazard label on it, and throw it in someone's face. Or drink it.
There is only so much culpability on the actors part because they are working a job where there employer is responsible for having systems in place to keep people safe.
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bender
What time is it?
Nope.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Alec Baldwin was the employer, lol. It’s literally his production studio. He was the boss.
So he fucked up every which way you can.
Frank Horrigan
Banned
Is this murdering, fat, wash-up in jail yet?
LegendOfKage
Member
When this whole thing first happened I didn't know what to think. Then gun experts started showing up saying it would have been impossible for that gun to fire without someone pulling the trigger. Baldwin said he never pulled the trigger. Then an FBI report came to the same conclusion, that the trigger would have had to have been pulled.
The other big thing that convinced me was George Clooney saying that he (as an actor) is essentially the last line of defense every time someone hands him a gun on set. He checks the weapon himself every time.
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