Actors and politicians and the wealthy are above the law all the time. We see that on a regular basis.
‘No One Is Above The Law’: Family Of Halyna Hutchins Supports Charges Against Alec Baldwin Over ‘Rust’ Shooting
The family of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins supports the charges against Alec Baldwin in relation to the on-set shooting that resulted in her death.dailycaller.com
Every excuse used to be "pro-Baldwin" early on in the thread is crumbling. Down to the family thinking he should be charged now too.
Yes, becasue there is no excuse for people that handle fire arms. You hold the gun, you are responsible. Even on a movie set.
Not to nitpick, but that very link mentions that they are unsure if the FBI tested the gun used on set or a similar colt.He does the final check. Those who hold a firearm are always responsible.
The "I never pulled the trigger" is a lie,
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Alec Baldwin Must Have Pulled Trigger In 'Rust' Shooting, FBI Report Says | 99.5 WGAR
Halyna Hutchins was shot on the set of "Rust" last year.wgar.iheart.com
I'd love to see the actual FBI report.
So they broke the gun. Ironic.
How can a gun be in this bad a shape and on a movie set no less?
It's absolutely crazy to me that he wasn't charged sooner. I figured this would be an instance where everyone agreed with each other no matter their views on guns. But same shit different day situation. It don't matter how many gun safety rules were violated for tons of people because of who he is.
For example journalist David Gregory who only got away with his felony because the prosecutor suddenly remembered mens rea is a thing. (For those that didn’t see it during his news program he broke a law about possessing a firearms magazine. It was a felony and intent wasn’t supposed to be a part of it but that’s the excuse the prosecutor gave. If a regular person broke that law they’d get screwed. ) of course now I like to point out David Gregory is a felon.
I doubt it but the angle for this is because Baldwin is also a producer so they want to tie him with the troubled production, staff prior complats about lax safety, and overral neglect to make the involuntary manslaughter charge
The reason they are going after Baldwin is that partly because it's weird that he was saying the gun went off on his own but more improtantly because he's not just an actor on the movie. He's the main producer. Baldwin's own production company is the main owner of the movie and mainly reponsible for the production of the movie. In other words, he's an owner and a boss of the movie.
That was an example of why gun safety rules should be followed on set, not an example of why someone should be allowed to ignore them without repercussions. In this case you also have the issue of an incompetent person being hired to make sure no one got hurt. A trigger lock is no defense to liability if its not actually installed properly and locked. Pointing to an incompetent employee as the reason he should be exempt from consequences is basically the same as claiming a trigger lock still in the package should preclude liability as far as I am concerned.
He put himself in this situation. He was the producer and it was his production company's operation. He wasn't just an "innocent actor." With that said, the buck for the 4 golden rules of firearm safety begins and ends at the last one to hold a gun. Always.
Nobody's gonna read the thread. It's almost 1500 posts. Do you have that kikd of time? I sure as hell don't.
That's so sadBanjo64 did, cause he's a real G.
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The Brandon Lee incident was an example of an on set accident, I.e. The intent was to discharge a blank AT the actor, the actor had body armor, and barrel sweeps were not a standard practice.
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Interesting. Without prejudice could mean they could refile after further investigation or change the charges in the future. Or it stays droppedCharges dropped for now.
Alec Baldwin Not Absolved In Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting Despite Planned Dropping Of Charges, Prosecutors Say – Update
Criminal charges will be dropped against Alec Baldwin and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed in the fatal shooting of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
lol that case was always political. at least against baldwin. its not his job to check for bullets.Charges dropped for now.
Alec Baldwin Not Absolved In Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting Despite Planned Dropping Of Charges, Prosecutors Say – Update
Criminal charges will be dropped against Alec Baldwin and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed in the fatal shooting of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
Yep. The charges against him specifically were always political and trying to make a point. But yeah he will get sued in civil court and settle for a huge sum.
Without prejudice 100% means they can refile the charges. That said, the chances of that happening are very low.
Is the political point they’re trying to make that people rich and poor alike should be held responsible for the consequences of shooting guns held in their own hand? Seems like basic law and common sense, not a political witch hunt. Prosecuting AB for committing a negligent killing should be the standard, I would argue that failing to do so is where the political motive is to be found.
Yeah I doubt there was ever any thought of charging Michael Massee.
If normal people tell the cops they didn't know the gun was loaded when they pointed and pulled the trigger, the chances are very, very, very low that they walk free of any criminal responsibility. Won't matter why they thought it was unloaded. They will almost certainly get a public defender who at best gets them a plea deal to lesser charges. At best.
The DA is conservative. He went on Fox News to peacock around about the charges and smell himself. So it was not a political move to drop them. They just knew they wouldn't win the case.
It was crucial where that jurisdiction stood at the time of the incident for criminal charges. Intuitively it seems it should be his responsibility, but it's understandable in legal context the delegation for a project changes the criminal responsibility from the individual who pulls the trigger or pushes a button.
But isn't that because it's impossible to know if they knew or not that it was loaded?
No. Its because everyone holding a gun is supposed to follow gun safety rules. If they had been rigidly followed this tragedy would not have happened.
It's not Hollywood privilege. The DA is conservative and desperately wanted these charges to stick. They just don't have a case and they know it. But he is going to get sued into the core of the earth in civil court so it's hardly a "slap on the wrist".
You beat that little drum until you are blue in the face if you want, but the reality is if it was actually that open and shut the charges wouldn't have been dropped by the DA who DESPERATELY wanted them to stick."Justice is being served" by the actual killer who pointed and pulled the trigger not being charged.
Convenient.You beat that little drum until you are blue in the face if you want, but the reality is if it was actually that open and shut the charges wouldn't have been dropped by the DA who DESPERATELY wanted them to stick.
The situation is just not as simple as you claim (or want) it to be.
No one is going to deny that the safety on set was abysmal. That's why everyone including myself are saying that he is going to get sued into the ground. What you're talking about is whether or not what Alec Baldwin did falls into the sphere of the criminal. The answer so far despite extensive attempts by the DA is a very clear no. And it's not because it's Alec Baldwin and it's not because it's Hollywood. It's because anyone whether it be a d list actor or even just a stunt man that was put in the same position on that specific set making the same mistake he did would not be charged for this.Convenient.
But it is super simple if the universal rules of gun safety, are applied universally.
If this was done in his backyard, or any of us in our backyards, we would have charges filed and we would be going to court.
Yes if it happened in his backyard between the two of them it would be different. Because that's a different situation under different circumstances with different context. But that is not what happened. So it's not being treated that way.
You sound like you want to dance around personal responsibility of holding a gun last, like it's applied to everyone under the sun, but movie sets.
It's the same circular argument that we had before when this first happened. You see Baldwin as the person mainly responsible for this. I don't. Neither do most people in my experience.
