• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Alec Baldwin Kills Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins With Real Gun

DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
LegendOfKage said:
When this whole thing first happened I didn't know what to think. Then gun experts started showing up saying it would have been impossible for that gun to fire without someone pulling the trigger. Baldwin said he never pulled the trigger. Then an FBI report came to the same conclusion, that the trigger would have had to have been pulled.

The other big thing that convinced me was George Clooney saying that he (as an actor) is essentially the last line of defense every time someone hands him a gun on set. He checks the weapon himself every time.

Click to expand...

It's how it was on every set that I worked on, as I've posted plenty of times in this thread. The last one holding the gun is always the last line of defense and their duty to check the firearm, yes, the actors. There are endless meetings and training drills on set.

But somehow, Alec's "narrative" is being considered "the norm" when it's not.

I still stand by the belief, if this were James Woods, he'd already be underneath the prison.
 
LegendOfKage

LegendOfKage

Member
DeepEnigma said:
It's how it was on every set that I worked on, as I've posted plenty of times in this thread. The last one holding the gun is always the last line of defense and their duty to check the firearm, yes, the actors. There are endless meetings and training drills on set.

But somehow, Alec's "narrative" is being considered "the norm" when it's not.

I still stand by the belief, if this were James Woods, he'd already be underneath the prison.
Click to expand...

It makes sense, too. If I were the one handling a gun I was going to be pointing at someone, there's no way I'd just take someone's word for it that the thing wasn't loaded, because there's no way I would want to live with the guilt of having pulled the trigger.
 
Pegasus Actual

Pegasus Actual

Member
LegendOfKage said:
It makes sense, too. If I were the one handling a gun I was going to be pointing at someone, there's no way I'd just take someone's word for it that the thing wasn't loaded, because there's no way I would want to live with the guilt of having pulled the trigger.
Click to expand...
TDUvPjc.png
 
DeafTourette

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
DeepEnigma said:
It's how it was on every set that I worked on, as I've posted plenty of times in this thread. The last one holding the gun is always the last line of defense and their duty to check the firearm, yes, the actors. There are endless meetings and training drills on set.

But somehow, Alec's "narrative" is being considered "the norm" when it's not.

I still stand by the belief, if this were James Woods, he'd already be underneath the prison.
Click to expand...

I LOVE James Woods ... I hope folks would be fair to him. Don't care he's a Republican, the man's a great actor and, from my limited exposure to what others have said about him as a person, a kind human being!

Alec Baldwin can feck off.
 
MacReady13

MacReady13

Member
DeafTourette said:
I LOVE James Woods ... I hope folks would be fair to him. Don't care he's a Republican, the man's a great actor and, from my limited exposure to what others have said about him as a person, a kind human being!

Alec Baldwin can feck off.
Click to expand...
I once tried to defend him on twitter cause people were having a go at him due to his political beliefs. Shows how far we've regressed as a society. Most of the cast of Family Guy can fuck off as well over that shit too.
 
Hawking Radiation

Hawking Radiation

Member
dem said:
What the fuck are you all on about?
Hate Baldwin all you want... he's a douche... but he's an actor that was handed a gun on set.

If an actor his handed a gun... it is SAFE. If it's not safe.. that has nothing to do with the actor.

Punishment for the actor would be absurd.
Click to expand...

Safety precautions should still be followed. You can't take someone else word that a weapon (that can kill) is safe to use if they place it in your hands.

This is basic shit and what is followed in almost every industry. Last checks before use should always be carried out.
 
poppabk

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
DeepEnigma said:
It's how it was on every set that I worked on, as I've posted plenty of times in this thread. The last one holding the gun is always the last line of defense and their duty to check the firearm, yes, the actors. There are endless meetings and training drills on set.

But somehow, Alec's "narrative" is being considered "the norm" when it's not.

I still stand by the belief, if this were James Woods, he'd already be underneath the prison.
Click to expand...
How did they differentiate the live rounds from the dummy rounds and the blanks on the sets you were on?
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
poppabk said:
How did they differentiate the live rounds from the dummy rounds and the blanks on the sets you were on?
Click to expand...
We never carried live rounds on the set. That was always controlled, in my experience of the sets I were on, by local police departments that were used as extras for live fire shots.

The set itself had dummy rounds for close ups, and squibs / blanks for action shots, but never pointed directly at a person.

Actors always cleared/checked the firearm in front of the person handing off, who was also supposed to check in front of weaponsmaster/armorer if they were the middle man on set. But most usually got it directly from the armorer themselves with a rare case of a malfunction needing a hot swap, but position remained in place for the.next or retake shot.

The last to hold the gun was always the last line safety check. Rust set is not the norm, or scary/lucky out of 10s of thousands of instances or more, this doesn't happen as often as statistically it should.
 
Last edited:
kruis

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
www.nytimes.com

Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun

The actor, who had been sued after fatally shooting a cinematographer on the film’s set, filed a cross-complaint accusing crew members of negligence for putting live ammunition in the gun.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun​

The actor Alec Baldwin filed a lawsuit on Friday against several people associated with the film “Rust” — including its armorer and first assistant director — accusing them of negligence for giving him a loaded gun on the set that fired, killing its cinematographer.

Mr. Baldwin made the allegations in a cross-complaint, which follows a lawsuit filed against him last year in Los Angeles by Mamie Mitchell, the film’s script supervisor. Mitchell had sued him and several other people associated with the film for their alleged roles in the shooting, which she said had caused her severe emotional distress.

His suit names Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the film’s armorer, who was in charge of handling guns and ammunition on set; Dave Halls, the first assistant director, who handed the gun to Mr. Baldwin that day and declared it safe; Sarah Zachry, the crew member in charge of props; and Seth Kenney, who has been described as the primary supplier of guns and ammunition to the film set. A lawyer for Mr. Baldwin, Luke Nikas, wrote in the complaint that they had not fulfilled their professional duty to maintain safety on set.

“This tragedy happened because live bullets were delivered to the set and loaded into the gun,” the lawsuit said. It accused Ms. Gutierrez-Reed of failing to check the bullets or the gun carefully; Mr. Halls of failing to check the gun carefully before announcing it was safe and handing it to Mr. Baldwin; and Ms. Zachry of breaching her duty as props master by failing to ensure the safety of the weapons and ammunition on the set.
Click to expand...

🤡
 
sankt-Antonio

sankt-Antonio

:^)--?-<
"Mr. Baldwin made the allegations in a cross-complaint, which follows a lawsuit filed against him last year in Los Angeles by Mamie Mitchell, the film’s script supervisor. Mitchell had sued him and several other people associated with the film for their alleged roles in the shooting, which she said had caused her severe emotional distress."

Wait, a woman who was not injured sued Baldwin because of emotional distress? Why? I mean a lot of people fucked up, but isn't the victims family the ones who should sue here?

Edit: Looking at her fotos, I understand now lol
 
Last edited:
Grildon Tundy

Grildon Tundy

Member
kruis said:
www.nytimes.com

Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun

The actor, who had been sued after fatally shooting a cinematographer on the film’s set, filed a cross-complaint accusing crew members of negligence for putting live ammunition in the gun.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun​



🤡
Click to expand...
That production crew sounds like a hot mess! Baldwin should sue each and every one of the film's producers for gross negligence in putting that team together and letting them operate like they did.


FYI Baldwin was a producer on this films

Lol
 
Pejo

Pejo

Member
kruis said:
www.nytimes.com

Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun

The actor, who had been sued after fatally shooting a cinematographer on the film’s set, filed a cross-complaint accusing crew members of negligence for putting live ammunition in the gun.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Alec Baldwin Sues ‘Rust’ Armorer and Crew for Giving Him a Loaded Gun​



🤡
Click to expand...
Boy that takes... something(?) to convince yourself that you should stir this shitpot back up with this type of thing.
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
StreetsofBeige

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Crazy when you think of it.

You'd think in the 100 years worth of silver screens and endless millions of dollars of budget, you'd think some resources would be put towards some good looking fake prop guns. Instead you got real guns, armourers, gun safety classes and whatever other shit they have to do in order not to shoot someone with a real bullet.
 
Last edited:
J

jason10mm

Gold Member
StreetsofBeige said:
Crazy when you think of it.

You'd think in the 100 years worth of silver screens and endless millions of dollars of budget, you'd think some resources would be put towards some good looking fake prop guns. Instead you got real guns, armourers, gun safety classes and whatever other shit they have to do in order not to shoot someone with a real bullet.
Click to expand...
They have all that. There are prop guns that range from non-firing cosmetic replicas, cycling/brass ejecting but plugged barrel guns for close human shooting that require a CGI muzzle flash, and fully functional with partial barrel plugging to allow for cycling, recoil, and muzzle flash but to real capability to fire live ammo.

But like a lot of things, it's just far easier, on a well run set at least, to follow some safety rules and use real weapons and dummy ammo when appropriate. There have been THOUSANDS of weapons used on set, I can only think of 2-3 incidents like this.
 
StreetsofBeige

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I forgot what really happened. But according to Baldwin, he claims he didn't pull the trigger. So he's saying the gun was faulty and it went off by itself and it's the crew's fault?

From the CNN link posted above by Jennings. This is in the left hand margin of the page:
  • Baldwin has maintained he did not pull the gun’s trigger, placing responsibility for the tragedy on the armorer and props assistant on the film, as well as the assistant director, who handed him the gun. Attorneys for the crew members have accused Baldwin of deflecting blame.
 
Banjo64

Banjo64

cumsessed
DeepEnigma said:
Read the thread, mate. The answers have been explained over and over and over and over...
Click to expand...
Actors always cleared/checked the firearm in front of the person handing off, who was also supposed to check in front of weaponsmaster/armorer if they were the middle man on set. But most usually got it directly from the armorer themselves with a rare case of a malfunction needing a hot swap, but position remained in place for the.next or retake shot.

Cheers bud just found your explanation further up the page. Makes sense then as it’s negligence by everyone involved. As a Brit I have no idea how you’d clear/check the firearm - would that just be a case of firing it at the floor or something?
 
Gp1

Gp1

Member
Even if it was an "accident", the main problem (for Baldwin) is not just him being the actor who was holding the gun. He was also the series producer.
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Banjo64 said:
Actors always cleared/checked the firearm in front of the person handing off, who was also supposed to check in front of weaponsmaster/armorer if they were the middle man on set. But most usually got it directly from the armorer themselves with a rare case of a malfunction needing a hot swap, but position remained in place for the.next or retake shot.

Cheers bud just found your explanation further up the page. Makes sense then as it’s negligence by everyone involved. As a Brit I have no idea how you’d clear/check the firearm - would that just be a case of firing it at the floor or something?
Click to expand...
Negative. You point the firearm in a safe direction, not at any target you are not willing to destroy.

You open it up to see whether it is loaded and what rounds are inside. With a revolver, it is even easier than most semi-automatics to do a check.

You also follow the 4 golden rules to handling a firearm safely. The beauty of these rules, they are designed so that if just 1 is broken, you broke them all.

www.pewpewtactical.com

The 4 Firearms Safety Rules

Learn the 4 firearms safety rules to keep your gun learning experience a safe one at home and at the range. Plus the why's behind each one.
www.pewpewtactical.com www.pewpewtactical.com
 
Last edited:
StreetsofBeige

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I'm too lazy to reread the thread and know who is at fault or not.

If Baldwin is the last guy holding the gun who is supposed to do the final checks, is he ALWAYS going to be responsible in some form? In what circumstances can he be totally excluded from charges? Going by his claim, he says he never even pulled the trigger so he's already making a stand it he should be excluded from the issue.
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
StreetsofBeige said:
I'm too lazy to reread the thread and know who is at fault or not.

If Baldwin is the last guy holding the gun who is supposed to do the final checks, is he ALWAYS going to be responsible in some form? In what circumstances can he be totally excluded from charges? Going by his claim, he says he never even pulled the trigger so he's already making a stand it he should be excluded from the issue.
Click to expand...
He does the final check. Those who hold a firearm are always responsible.

The "I never pulled the trigger" is a lie,
wgar.iheart.com

Alec Baldwin Must Have Pulled Trigger In 'Rust' Shooting, FBI Report Says | 99.5 WGAR

Halyna Hutchins was shot on the set of "Rust" last year.
wgar.iheart.com wgar.iheart.com
 
MaulerX

MaulerX

Member
StreetsofBeige said:
I forgot what really happened. But according to Baldwin, he claims he didn't pull the trigger. So he's saying the gun was faulty and it went off by itself and it's the crew's fault?

From the CNN link posted above by Jennings. This is in the left hand margin of the page:
  • Baldwin has maintained he did not pull the gun’s trigger, placing responsibility for the tragedy on the armorer and props assistant on the film, as well as the assistant director, who handed him the gun. Attorneys for the crew members have accused Baldwin of deflecting blame.
Click to expand...


He has blamed everybody but himself. He even went as far as blaming the victim herself in an interview.

Look how long it took for him to be charged. Everyone is responsible in some way but it's clear he didn't uphold his end of the safety bargain.
 
StreetsofBeige

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Dr. Suchong said:
So will the slippery cunt actually face the consequences of his actions/inactions?
Click to expand...
Who knows. According to the CNN link an Assistant Director did a plea deal and got 6 month probation and a suspended sentence. That's it.

Assistant director David Halls has signed a plea agreement for the charge of "negligent use of a deadly weapon," according to the New Mexico prosecutor who announced charges in the fatal "Rust" film set shooting Thursday.

The terms of that deal include six months of probation and a suspended sentence, according to a statement from New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies' office.

The statement added that charges will not be filed against film director Joel Souza.

CNN has reached out for comment from actor Alec Baldwin and armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who face involuntary manslaughter charges, and will reach out to Halls and Souza.
 
stn

stn

Member
Genuine question, because I am curious: if they are using a prop gun, why would it ever be loaded in the first place?
 
TheInfamousKira

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
stn said:
Genuine question, because I am curious: if they are using a prop gun, why would it ever be loaded in the first place?
Click to expand...

Also, prop guns are still infamously dangerous. A blank at uh...point blank, is still More than enough to kill a man if it hits just the right spot. See Brandon Lee.
 
I_D

I_D

Member
NickFire said:
It wouldn't be loaded or capable of firing a round if it was a prop gun. In this case they never used a prop gun. It was a fictional PR narrative.
Click to expand...

When I first read this news, I posted in this very thread. I was adamant that I wouldn't have even assumed the gun was real in the first place. "Why the heck would a prop gun be able to even fire?" is essentially what my point was.
Since that post, I've learned that they use real guns in movies alllllllll the time. It seems ridiculous to me, but it is what it is. In my mind, a "prop" gun is a gun made out of plastic or wood, or something. But apparently even real guns with blank rounds count as "props."
I feel like it's pretty excusable that I didn't know such a thing until reading responses to my initial posts.


Alec Baldwin, the person who produced the movie and possibly even paid for the weapons, on the other hand, definitely would have known this bit of information.
So, since my initial post defending Baldwin, I have now learned that this should have been common knowledge for him, despite being unknown knowledge for many people in this thread (most likely including the person to whom you responded).


Knowing what I know now about situations like this (though I haven't been following this specific case very closely), Baldwin definitely should have known to check the weapon before pointing it anywhere. He might have assumed it was safe, which is probably a decent assumption most of the time; but he still should have checked, just to be sure. He's definitely guilty of some major crimes. The other people involved with the gun are also guilty.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

  • Locked
15 Films to See in November (what are you watching?)
2 3
112
13K
User 479360 replied
Top Bottom