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MilkyJoe

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In case this gets deleted I'm pasting this here as I didn't get a chance to read it all yet :messenger_alien:

From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). I will share with you a lot of information on this subject. Feel free to ask questions or ask for clarification
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From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). The aim of the program was to elucidate the genome and proteome basis of these organisms. Although the study of OBCs has been going on for decades in other programs, the new high-throughput DNA sequencing technologies of the late 90s unblocked stagnant research in this area. Since then, several breakthroughs have led to significant advances in our understanding of the genome and proteome of these beings. What we've learned so far has enabled us to outline some disconcerting perspectives about our place in this universe. Briefly, we've discovered that the EBO genome is a chimera of genomes from our biosphere and from an unknown one. They are artificial, ephemeral and disposable organisms created for a purpose that still partially eludes us. I'll be substantiating my statements after a brief introduction.
The reason for disclosing these secrets is quite simple. I believe that every human being has the right to know the truth, and that to progress, humanity needs to divest itself of certain institutions and organizations that will probably not survive these revelations in the long term. I'm aware that I'll have very little impact in this regard, but I still believe that small leaks are necessary to break the dam of misinformation on this subject. When the governments will eventually reveal these secrets, there will undoubtedly be a societal upheaval, but in my opinion, the longer we wait, the worse it will be. I choose to divulge what I know anonymously out of selfishness for the well-being of myself and my family. I'm aware that this diminishes the reach and credibility of my message, but it's the furthest I am willing to go. I chose this forum because it offers a good compromise between anonymity and popularity. In order to protect my anonymity, I will be purposely vague or even contradictory about any information that could identify me (date, education, role etc.). I'll even introduce red herrings in this respect. I want to make it clear that any information related to the subject of the research will not be treated in this way.
Before going any further, please excuse me if you find it difficult to understand what I'm explaining. Some parts of my text are very technical. It's difficult to find the right balance between vulgarization and scientific explanation. I'll continue by talking about myself. What's the point of talking about me knowing that the information will necessarily be misleading? I simply want to introduce a perspective on the type of people who work there, normal scientists. I have a Ph.D. in molecular biology. I didn't actively seek to be part of this program, rather it was a stroke of luck that introduced me to one of the senior scientists. I met this person at a conference where I was presenting a poster on my Ph.D. research. When I think back, I don't believe he was impressed by what I was presenting, because it was quite frankly a project that wasn't going anywhere. I think it was rather the most important aspect of a professional life: the attitude and the ease with which you make connections. Shortly afterwards, I graduated and received a call from this person offering me a position. At the time, everything pointed to me working in a regular laboratory.
I did a series of three increasingly suspicious interviews, each in a different location, where my scientific background and knowledge became less and less relevant. The first was with two of the senior scientists, the second and third with people I've never seen again and who were obviously not interested in science. Sometime after the interview, I was asked to go to a fourth location where what seemed like a corporate lawyer presented me with an NDA. He made sure not only to explain every detail, but also that I understood the consequence of not respecting it.
The first Employment weeks were by far the most memorable, although I spent most of that time in a depressing archive room. It consists almost exclusively of reading about the subject of study and to get us up to speed. There's no secret Wikipedia or even a reference book to guide us. There are only dry reports, memos, presentations, procedures and SOPs. These documents are almost exclusively about the biology of EBOs, but there are also a few that deal with other subjects such as their food, religion or culture. There were no documents on their technology.
As mentioned above, the aim of the project is to gain a better understanding of the EBO genome and proteome. To achieve this, a team of around twenty scientists, four senior scientists and a director was involved. The scientists, like myself, had as their main responsibility to carry out the technical work. As each scientist had to my knowledge a Ph.D., we were all somewhat overqualified for what is ultimately a technician's job. The senior scientists, who make full use of their diplomas, had the task of designing the assays and had a supervisory responsibility. They were also in charge of training new employees, and sometimes even came in to do technical work. The director, of course, was the person in charge who dictated priorities to the senior scientists. He was rarely on site, and the few times he was, it was to attend meetings. Other than the scientific staff, there were security guards working for one subcontractor or another. There were no support staff such as janitors or maintenance workers. Scientists were responsible for this kind of work. In addition, logistical constraints ensure that every scientist is capable of carrying out any technical activity.
The laboratory itself is located in Fort Detrick, Maryland, in a building used for legitimate biomedical research. The clandestine operations are carried out in a restricted part of the basement, out of sight from regular workers. Contrary to what one might imagine, the biosafety level is not maximal for this type of research. Indeed, the lab containing EBO samples or derived cell cultures is BSL3, while the lab where assays are conducted are only BSL2. The BSL3 area of the facility includes a freezer room and a cell culture lab and is only accessible through an antechamber from the BSL2 section. EBO carcasses are preserved in horizontal freezers at a temperature of -80°C nominal. To maximize the preservation of these carcasses, they are preserved in vacuum bags and the air in the room is controlled to minimize humidity. There are only four bodies and none of them are complete. It's obvious that these creatures have died as a result of major trauma. I've never witnessed a motorcycle accident fatality, but it probably looks similar to this. It is acknowledged that there are more EBOs caracasses at other locations. The cell culture laboratory, as its name suggests, is where cell lines derived from EBOs are grown and related activities are performed. I'll talk in more detail about these specific cell lines later on. The BSL2 part is mainly used for assays, immunohistochemistry, genetic engineering, immunocytochemistry, storage etc. There's also a cell culture lab, but this is used for more traditional cell lines. Other than the labs, there are all the amenities you could find in an office. Note that the internet access is limited to senior staff and up. There is, however, an intranet for bioinformatics needs.
On the subject of the biology of these beings, I'll start by discussing genetics, then their gross anatomy and finally their biological systems. For the sake of clarity, the information that I provide here is an aggregation of what I have observed and what I have read. I will make many comparisons with human anatomy because it is the most logical reference.
Genetics:
First, I'd like to discuss their genetics. Their genetics are like ours, based on DNA. This fact was very puzzling for me when I first learned about it. We imagine that beings from an alternate biosphere would have genetics based on a completely foreign biochemical system and surprisingly, this is not the case. Several conclusions can be drawn from this surprising revelation. The one that immediately comes to mind is that our biosphere and theirs share a common ancestry. They're eukaryotes, which means their cells have nuclei containing genetic material. Which suggests that their biosphere would have been separated from ours sometime after the appearance of this type of organism. The term Exo-Biospheric-Organism is actually a misnomer, but as it's a historical term, it's still used. Their genetics are not only based on the same genetic system, but they’re also even compatible with our own cellular machinery. This means that you can take a human gene and insert it into an EBO cell, and that gene will be translated into protein, and this of course works in reverse with a human gene inserted into an EBO cell. There are important differences in post-translational modifications that will make the final protein non-functional, but I'll discuss these later. Their genome consists of 16 circular chromosomes.
You're probably familiar with the concept of intergenic region or "junk DNA". These are basically DNA sequences that don't code for proteins. These are evolutionary residues, transposons, inactivated genes and so on. To give you an idea, in humans, intergenic regions represent approximately 99% of our genome. I'm aware that these sequences aren't completely useless, they can be used as histone anchors, as buffers to protect coding DNA from radiation or even as alternative open reading frames, but that's rather peripheral.
What's particularly striking about the EBO genome is the uniformity of these intergenic regions. We see the same sequences repeated everywhere, and the distance in bp between the genes is virtually the same throughout their genome. The result is a minimalist, highly condensed genome. In fact, it's much smaller than ours. Moreover, the quantity of protein-coding genes is even significantly lower than ours, probably due to genetic refinement but also to biological processes that are absent in EBO. The uniformity of these sequences is a major indication of the artificiality of these beings. There is no complex organism on earth that has such elegance in its sequences. There is no evolutionary pressure that can lead to this kind of characteristic other than genetic engineering.
Speaking of genetic engineering, following sequencing of their genomes, we noticed a troubling and universal characteristic in the 5' of the regulatory sequence of each gene which we call the Tri-Palindromic Region. The TPR are 134bp sequences containing, as its name suggests, 3 palindromes. In genetics, a palindrome is a DNA sequence that when read in the same direction, gives the same sequence on both DNA strands. They serve both as a flag and as a binding site for proteins. The three palindromes in the TPR are distinct from one another and have been poetically named "5'P TPR", "M TPR" and "3' TPR". The TPR is composed (in 5' - 3' order) of 5'P TPR, 12bp spacer, Chromosomal address, 12bp spacer, M TPR, 12bp spacer, Gene address, 12pb spacer and 3' TPR. The chromosomal address is composed of 4 bp and is identical in each TPR of the same chromosome, but distinct between each of the 16 chromosomes of the genome. The Gene address is a 64bp sequence that is unique for each gene in the whole genome. It's therefore understandable that the TPR serves as a unique address not only for numerically identifying a gene, but also for identifying its chromosomal location. For those with only a basic knowledge of genetics, this is completely unheard of. No living thing in our biosphere has this kind of precise address in its genome. Once again, the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale.
TPR opens the door to several possibilities. One of them suggests that EBO geneticists can insert or remove a gene from a cell in a way that is far more targeted and efficient than our technology allows. No proteins have been identified in the EBO genome that interacts with TPR. Rather, we believe that these proteins are exclusively targeted by external genetic engineering tools, probably used at the zygotic stage of embryonic development. The nature of these tools is unclear, but we definitely don't have anything like them. The probable absence of these proteins from the genome is a further indication of their artificiality. Given the high probability of artificiality of their genome and the apparent ease of modifying it with biomolecular tools, it's not out of the question that there could be polymorphism between individuals depending on their role and function. In other words, an individual could be genetically designed to have characteristics that give it an advantage in performing a given task, like soldier ants and worker ants in an anthill. Note that these previous statements are speculation. To my knowledge only one individual genome has been sequenced, I can't make a definitive statement on genetic variation between individuals.
I've talked a lot about intergenic regions, now I'll briefly discuss intragenic sequences. Briefly, because there's not a lot less to say despite its obvious importance. Much like ours, their genes have silencers, enhancers, promoters, 5'UTRs, exons, introns, 3' UTRs etc. There are many genes analogous to ours, which is not surprising given the compatibility of our cellular machinery. What's disturbing is that some genes correspond directly, nucleotide by nucleotide, with known human genes or even some animal genes. For these genes, there doesn't seem to be any artificial refinement but rather a crude copying and pasting. Why they do it is nebulous and still subject to conjecture. There are also many genes which are not found in our biosphere whose role has not been identified. Finding the purpose of these novel genes is one of the aims of the program. I'd like to note before going any further that this heterogeneity of genes of known and unknown origin is an undeniable proof of the artificiality of EBOs.
To conclude with genetics, the mitochondrial genome, at the time I was working there, had not yet been sequenced. It's safe to assume that this genome would also be streamlined and possibly has some version of TPR.
Transcription and translation and protein expression.
I briefly introduced the differences in post-translational modifications between human and EBO. This is hardly a surprise, as we often see the same thing between different terrestrial species. Obtaining a viable protein from a DNA sequence is a complex process involving hundreds of protein intermediates, each with a precise and essential role. A minor variation in this assembly line can lead to functional irregularities in the final product. So, it's no surprise that there are setbacks along the way when the first EBO gene transfection attempts failed to produce the desired functional protein in human cell lines. Fortunately for us, the work of what I imagine to be another team at another site has led to the development of an EBO cell line named EPI-G11 derived from epithelial tissues. With this tool in our hands, we were able to transfect and overexpress proteins of interest in order to eventually purify and study them. For your information, we use a biological ballistics delivery system (AKA gene gun) for our transfection needs because other methods are not very effective with cells of this line. For example, the viral vectors tested cannot be internalized by EPI-G11 and lipofection is too lethal. EPI-G11, like most eukaryotic cell lines, enters a phase of exponential growth when exposed to Fetal Bovine Serum. It's only half surprising that a cell line from such an exotic source should be sensitive to the growth factors present in FBS. In my opinion, this can be explained by the addition of animal genes to the genome, such as growth receptors.
Gross anatomy:
They are morphologically very similar to the grey aliens that are part of modern folklore. Their height is about 150cm, they have two arms, two legs and a head. Still, there are some notable differences.
Skin: The grey skin that is often described in folklore is in fact a biosynthetic film which, likely, serves to protect the EBO from a hostile environment. It doesn't provide effective protection against temperature changes, but it does offer adequate protection against the passage of liquids. It's possible that this film confers other advantages but my knowledge on the subject is limited. Under the grey film, the epidermis is rather white, and the texture is very regular and without any hair. We do not see any defect other than the folds near the joints. It's described as greasy in one report, but that's not something I've observed. The same report states that a strong, lingering smell of burnt hair and ammonia is present when the film is removed. There are a lot of pores on the skin, crossing from the epidermis to a gland in the hypodermis. These glands and pores are the terminal part of the excretory-sudoriferous system, which could explain the previously mentioned smell.
Head: The head contains two large, oversized eyes, two nostrils without protuberance, a narrow mouth without lips and two ear canals without auricles. There is a mandible, but the musculature is vestigial. There are no teeth or tongue in the oral cavity. The nasal cavity where the nostrils meet is compact and does not rise cranially but extends axially. There appears to be no equivalent to the olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity. The mouth leads directly to the esophagus and the nasal cavity to the trachea. The trachea and esophagus do not communicate.
Eye: Like the skin, the eyes are covered with a semi-transparent biosynthetic film that offers the same environmental protection, while providing protection against certain wavelengths and light intensity. When the film is removed, a more traditional eye is revealed. It's about three times larger than a human eye and there are no eyelids. The size of their eyes suggests they have excellent night vision. It seems paradoxical to cover them with a semi-opaque film. Perhaps they only need to wear it in a bright environment. Their sclera is the same color as their skin, the iris is pale grey, and the pupil is black and oversized. The lens is rounder than a human, and the musculature used to adjust focus is more developed. On the retina, there are at least 6 types of cone cells. The responsiveness of each of these 6 types of cone is specific to a wavelength band, with a minimum of overlap between each other. The result is a broader visible spectrum.
Ear: As mentioned, the outer ear has no auricle and the ear canal is unremarkable. The inner ear has all the characteristics of a typical vestibular and cochlear system, although the curvature of the cochlea is more pronounced than a human. This probably results in greater hearing acuity for low frequencies.
Brain: The brain is tetraspheric, i.e. composed of four major sections. The sections are separated by transverse and longitudinal fissures and are connected to the central lobe, which acts as brainstem and cerebellum. The volume of the brain is around 20% superior to that of a man of the same height. It has a much more pronounced level of gyrication than an average human. Moreover, the ratio of glial cells to neurons is also slightly higher than in humans. It is important to mention the presence of nodules on the central lobe. Histological analysis of these structures reveals a kind of intricate biological circuitry. It is speculated that these nodules are essential to interact with their technology. Consequently, determining the proteome of these structures is an absolute priority for the program.
Neck: The neck is proportionally longer than that of a human, and at the same time relatively thin. As mentioned, the esophagus and trachea are separate. There are no vocal cords in this region.
Thorax: The musculature of the thorax is underdeveloped. Muscles equivalent to the pectoralis major can be seen. We can also see the trapezius and deltoid muscles. The sternocleidomastoids are well defined. The ribs and sternum are clearly visible. There are no nipples.
Abdomen: The abdomen is wider than the thorax and bulges slightly forward. There is no navel.
Pelvis: The pelvic bones are apparent. There are no genitals or anus.
Hands and feets: Their hands have four digits, including an opposable thumb on the medial side. They have no nails, and the texture of their fingerprints is composed of concentric circles. Fingers are proportionally much longer than in humans. Unlike humans, finger musculature is entirely intrinsic to the hand. In other words, the muscles used to move the fingers are not in the forearms but entirely located in the hands. At first glance, the feet consist of just two digits, but a necropsy soon determined that each toe was made of two fused digits. The medial toe is marginally longer than the distal toe. The feet are relatively longer and narrower than in a human. Their musculature, however, is vestigial.
The EBOs endoskeleton is very similar to ours, at least in terms of composition. There's collagen, hydroxyapatite but also copper oxide crystals where marrow would normally be found. The role of these crystals has not been established, but it is not a crystalopathic condition. The blood cells of the myeloid lineage (or the equivalent for these creatures) therefore mature in a different location than in humans i.e. in the thymus like organ. A transverse section of the bone reveals osteon and osteocytes. There appear to be few osteoblasts and no osteoclasts. This indicates that the bones are no longer growing and cannot absorb the minerals present or adapt mechanically to changes in posture.
Biological system:
Respiratory system: Their cellular respiration is equivalent to ours, i.e. they need to oxidize organic components to produce energy. Their lungs have no reciprocating action, but rather have a unidirectional flow of air, similar to those seen in birds, which is more efficient than ours. It is speculated that this is in response to the brain's elevated metabolic needs. Vocalization is produced by vibration of the wall membrane at the junction between the two air sacs.
The Circulatory system of EBOs is rather analogous to ours. The heart is located in the mediastanum, but in a more medial position, directly beneath the sternum. The heart has two ventricles and two atria. There is an aorta, a pulmonary vein, a pulmonary artery and a vena cava. Blood flowing to the pulmonary capillaries via the pulmonary artery is pumped against the flow of air, maximizing gas exchange efficiency. The blood gas barrier is relatively narrow in these capillaries, at least compared to a human. Then oxygen-rich blood is returned to the heart and then expelled into the aorta and the rest of the body. Before returning to the heart, the blood will pass through the hepatorenal organ which, among other things, filters and controls osmotic pressure of the blood.
The blood itself is also analogous to that of a human. However, the proportion of plasma is much higher, albumin is in similar proportion ,hormone levels are much lower, metal ion levels are much higher (particularly copper) and glucose levels are significantly higher. The color of the blood is brownish, given the higher proportion of plasma and concentration of metal ions. On the cellular side, there are erythrocytes which, in addition to hemoglobin for binding oxygen, display several complexes capable of binding copper ions. It's not clear what role these copper ions play but we believe it neutralizes blood ammonia, among other things. Several cell types with leukocyte characteristics have been observed, but no comprehensive knowledge of them exists. Platelets are present, but in smaller proportions than in humans.
Excreto-sudoriferous system: This system is completely different from what I've seen. As mentioned earlier, there is no large orifice, like an anus or urethra, to get rid of biological waste. Instead, there are countless small pores on the surface of the skin. There's a large medial organ called the hepatorenal organ, which acts as both kidney and liver and is central to maintaining homeostasis. This organ is highly vascularized and the blood must pass through it before returning to the heart. Its role is, among other things, to purify the blood of metabolic waste. Waste is excreted into the equivalent of a ureter, which branches out into four. Each branch flows towards one of the four limbs and in turn these branches divide until they end up as thousands of excretory pores. The motility of this excretory system is mediated by a weak peristalsis at the proximal level and on the four main branches. Peristalsis ceases around the first distal junction. As there is no urea cycle, the ammonia concentration at the exit of the hepatorenal organ is very high. This ammonia is carried to the pores and gives the distinct odor I mentioned earlier. The rationale behind this unusual excretory system is directly related to this excreted ammonia, which enables thermoregulation by evaporating on the skin's surface. The greater the physical effort, the greater the metabolism. This in turn leads to a rise in temperature, and a corresponding increase in metabolic waste via amino acid catabolism. This leads to an increase in filtration and ammonia excretion, which ultimately lowers body temperature.
Digestive system: The digestive system is extremely underdeveloped. There's no there is no stomach in the familiar sense. However, there is a pseudo-stomach located at the transition between the thoracic and abdominal cavities. This organ is not involved in digestion, but only serves as a reservoir. A sphincter controls the flow of food into the intestine. The intestine is limited to the equivalent of our small intestine, i.e. it only serves to absorb liquids and nutrients and acts as the main digestion site. It has villi and microvilli like ours. The intestine ends in the hepato-renal organ, where non-digested matter is transported to the ureter and excretory system. Residues are dissolved in the ammonia of metabolic waste for excretion. There's an organ near the pseudostomachal sphincter that secretes digestive enzymes directly into the intestine. This organ is inspirationally called the digestive organ. It secretes mainly proteolytic enzymes and glycoside hydrolases.
Given the absence of teeth, the narrowness and rigidity of the esophagus, the absence of a true stomach and the absence of defecation, it is strongly believed that EBOs can only consume food in liquid form. It is assumed that, given the high metabolic needs of their brains, this food would have a high carbohydrate concentration. In order to meet other metabolic needs, there must also be a high protein content in the food consumed. These two statements are supported by the type of enzyme secreted by the digestive organ. It is therefore speculated that the food consumed is a sort of broth rich in sugar and protein, which probably also has a high copper content. Given the strict limitations on the type of food that they can consume, it's unlikely that this type of creature could survive in our biosphere without technological support.
Endocrine system: Knowledge of the endocrine system is minimal. We know that cells are receptive to bovine growth hormones, so it's assumed that certain functions are regulated by such a system. Endocrine mechanisms are very complex, and it goes without saying that they are best studied on living subjects.
Immune system: The immune system is another unknown. There seems to be an innate immune system but there doesn't seem to be any adaptive immunity, at least not similar to what is known. There's a thymus-like organ near the heart that's proportionally larger than in humans. This organ seems to be where all blood cells mature. Some cells have leukocyte characteristics such as granularity. The immune cells that germinate here have a high copper concentration. The surface receptors of innate immune cells have not yet been characterized, so we might as well say that all the work remains to be done.
Nervous system: The nervous system is also relatively similar. The spinal cord begins at the base of the central lobe of the brain and propagates down the vertebral column. In the vertebrae there are ganglia made of afferent and efferent neurons. In short, other than the CNS, there is nothing out of the ordinary.
Musculoskeletal system: The musculoskeletal system is very ordinary, albeit underdeveloped. Most of the human skeletal muscles have an equivalent. Only the hands, feet and forearms are different. It should be noted that the proportion of type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers is different from that in a human. Indeed, type 1 outnumbers type 2 by about a factor of 10.
Artificial system: We speculate that artificial molecular machines may be present in the body, and that copper, if present, would be essential to their function or assembly. Importantly, no AMMs have been observed.
 

Romulus

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In case this gets deleted I'm pasting this here as I didn't get a chance to read it all yet :messenger_alien:

From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). I will share with you a lot of information on this subject. Feel free to ask questions or ask for clarification
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From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). The aim of the program was to elucidate the genome and proteome basis of these organisms. Although the study of OBCs has been going on for decades in other programs, the new high-throughput DNA sequencing technologies of the late 90s unblocked stagnant research in this area. Since then, several breakthroughs have led to significant advances in our understanding of the genome and proteome of these beings. What we've learned so far has enabled us to outline some disconcerting perspectives about our place in this universe. Briefly, we've discovered that the EBO genome is a chimera of genomes from our biosphere and from an unknown one. They are artificial, ephemeral and disposable organisms created for a purpose that still partially eludes us. I'll be substantiating my statements after a brief introduction.
The reason for disclosing these secrets is quite simple. I believe that every human being has the right to know the truth, and that to progress, humanity needs to divest itself of certain institutions and organizations that will probably not survive these revelations in the long term. I'm aware that I'll have very little impact in this regard, but I still believe that small leaks are necessary to break the dam of misinformation on this subject. When the governments will eventually reveal these secrets, there will undoubtedly be a societal upheaval, but in my opinion, the longer we wait, the worse it will be. I choose to divulge what I know anonymously out of selfishness for the well-being of myself and my family. I'm aware that this diminishes the reach and credibility of my message, but it's the furthest I am willing to go. I chose this forum because it offers a good compromise between anonymity and popularity. In order to protect my anonymity, I will be purposely vague or even contradictory about any information that could identify me (date, education, role etc.). I'll even introduce red herrings in this respect. I want to make it clear that any information related to the subject of the research will not be treated in this way.
Before going any further, please excuse me if you find it difficult to understand what I'm explaining. Some parts of my text are very technical. It's difficult to find the right balance between vulgarization and scientific explanation. I'll continue by talking about myself. What's the point of talking about me knowing that the information will necessarily be misleading? I simply want to introduce a perspective on the type of people who work there, normal scientists. I have a Ph.D. in molecular biology. I didn't actively seek to be part of this program, rather it was a stroke of luck that introduced me to one of the senior scientists. I met this person at a conference where I was presenting a poster on my Ph.D. research. When I think back, I don't believe he was impressed by what I was presenting, because it was quite frankly a project that wasn't going anywhere. I think it was rather the most important aspect of a professional life: the attitude and the ease with which you make connections. Shortly afterwards, I graduated and received a call from this person offering me a position. At the time, everything pointed to me working in a regular laboratory.
I did a series of three increasingly suspicious interviews, each in a different location, where my scientific background and knowledge became less and less relevant. The first was with two of the senior scientists, the second and third with people I've never seen again and who were obviously not interested in science. Sometime after the interview, I was asked to go to a fourth location where what seemed like a corporate lawyer presented me with an NDA. He made sure not only to explain every detail, but also that I understood the consequence of not respecting it.
The first Employment weeks were by far the most memorable, although I spent most of that time in a depressing archive room. It consists almost exclusively of reading about the subject of study and to get us up to speed. There's no secret Wikipedia or even a reference book to guide us. There are only dry reports, memos, presentations, procedures and SOPs. These documents are almost exclusively about the biology of EBOs, but there are also a few that deal with other subjects such as their food, religion or culture. There were no documents on their technology.
As mentioned above, the aim of the project is to gain a better understanding of the EBO genome and proteome. To achieve this, a team of around twenty scientists, four senior scientists and a director was involved. The scientists, like myself, had as their main responsibility to carry out the technical work. As each scientist had to my knowledge a Ph.D., we were all somewhat overqualified for what is ultimately a technician's job. The senior scientists, who make full use of their diplomas, had the task of designing the assays and had a supervisory responsibility. They were also in charge of training new employees, and sometimes even came in to do technical work. The director, of course, was the person in charge who dictated priorities to the senior scientists. He was rarely on site, and the few times he was, it was to attend meetings. Other than the scientific staff, there were security guards working for one subcontractor or another. There were no support staff such as janitors or maintenance workers. Scientists were responsible for this kind of work. In addition, logistical constraints ensure that every scientist is capable of carrying out any technical activity.
The laboratory itself is located in Fort Detrick, Maryland, in a building used for legitimate biomedical research. The clandestine operations are carried out in a restricted part of the basement, out of sight from regular workers. Contrary to what one might imagine, the biosafety level is not maximal for this type of research. Indeed, the lab containing EBO samples or derived cell cultures is BSL3, while the lab where assays are conducted are only BSL2. The BSL3 area of the facility includes a freezer room and a cell culture lab and is only accessible through an antechamber from the BSL2 section. EBO carcasses are preserved in horizontal freezers at a temperature of -80°C nominal. To maximize the preservation of these carcasses, they are preserved in vacuum bags and the air in the room is controlled to minimize humidity. There are only four bodies and none of them are complete. It's obvious that these creatures have died as a result of major trauma. I've never witnessed a motorcycle accident fatality, but it probably looks similar to this. It is acknowledged that there are more EBOs caracasses at other locations. The cell culture laboratory, as its name suggests, is where cell lines derived from EBOs are grown and related activities are performed. I'll talk in more detail about these specific cell lines later on. The BSL2 part is mainly used for assays, immunohistochemistry, genetic engineering, immunocytochemistry, storage etc. There's also a cell culture lab, but this is used for more traditional cell lines. Other than the labs, there are all the amenities you could find in an office. Note that the internet access is limited to senior staff and up. There is, however, an intranet for bioinformatics needs.
On the subject of the biology of these beings, I'll start by discussing genetics, then their gross anatomy and finally their biological systems. For the sake of clarity, the information that I provide here is an aggregation of what I have observed and what I have read. I will make many comparisons with human anatomy because it is the most logical reference.
Genetics:
First, I'd like to discuss their genetics. Their genetics are like ours, based on DNA. This fact was very puzzling for me when I first learned about it. We imagine that beings from an alternate biosphere would have genetics based on a completely foreign biochemical system and surprisingly, this is not the case. Several conclusions can be drawn from this surprising revelation. The one that immediately comes to mind is that our biosphere and theirs share a common ancestry. They're eukaryotes, which means their cells have nuclei containing genetic material. Which suggests that their biosphere would have been separated from ours sometime after the appearance of this type of organism. The term Exo-Biospheric-Organism is actually a misnomer, but as it's a historical term, it's still used. Their genetics are not only based on the same genetic system, but they’re also even compatible with our own cellular machinery. This means that you can take a human gene and insert it into an EBO cell, and that gene will be translated into protein, and this of course works in reverse with a human gene inserted into an EBO cell. There are important differences in post-translational modifications that will make the final protein non-functional, but I'll discuss these later. Their genome consists of 16 circular chromosomes.
You're probably familiar with the concept of intergenic region or "junk DNA". These are basically DNA sequences that don't code for proteins. These are evolutionary residues, transposons, inactivated genes and so on. To give you an idea, in humans, intergenic regions represent approximately 99% of our genome. I'm aware that these sequences aren't completely useless, they can be used as histone anchors, as buffers to protect coding DNA from radiation or even as alternative open reading frames, but that's rather peripheral.
What's particularly striking about the EBO genome is the uniformity of these intergenic regions. We see the same sequences repeated everywhere, and the distance in bp between the genes is virtually the same throughout their genome. The result is a minimalist, highly condensed genome. In fact, it's much smaller than ours. Moreover, the quantity of protein-coding genes is even significantly lower than ours, probably due to genetic refinement but also to biological processes that are absent in EBO. The uniformity of these sequences is a major indication of the artificiality of these beings. There is no complex organism on earth that has such elegance in its sequences. There is no evolutionary pressure that can lead to this kind of characteristic other than genetic engineering.
Speaking of genetic engineering, following sequencing of their genomes, we noticed a troubling and universal characteristic in the 5' of the regulatory sequence of each gene which we call the Tri-Palindromic Region. The TPR are 134bp sequences containing, as its name suggests, 3 palindromes. In genetics, a palindrome is a DNA sequence that when read in the same direction, gives the same sequence on both DNA strands. They serve both as a flag and as a binding site for proteins. The three palindromes in the TPR are distinct from one another and have been poetically named "5'P TPR", "M TPR" and "3' TPR". The TPR is composed (in 5' - 3' order) of 5'P TPR, 12bp spacer, Chromosomal address, 12bp spacer, M TPR, 12bp spacer, Gene address, 12pb spacer and 3' TPR. The chromosomal address is composed of 4 bp and is identical in each TPR of the same chromosome, but distinct between each of the 16 chromosomes of the genome. The Gene address is a 64bp sequence that is unique for each gene in the whole genome. It's therefore understandable that the TPR serves as a unique address not only for numerically identifying a gene, but also for identifying its chromosomal location. For those with only a basic knowledge of genetics, this is completely unheard of. No living thing in our biosphere has this kind of precise address in its genome. Once again, the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale.
TPR opens the door to several possibilities. One of them suggests that EBO geneticists can insert or remove a gene from a cell in a way that is far more targeted and efficient than our technology allows. No proteins have been identified in the EBO genome that interacts with TPR. Rather, we believe that these proteins are exclusively targeted by external genetic engineering tools, probably used at the zygotic stage of embryonic development. The nature of these tools is unclear, but we definitely don't have anything like them. The probable absence of these proteins from the genome is a further indication of their artificiality. Given the high probability of artificiality of their genome and the apparent ease of modifying it with biomolecular tools, it's not out of the question that there could be polymorphism between individuals depending on their role and function. In other words, an individual could be genetically designed to have characteristics that give it an advantage in performing a given task, like soldier ants and worker ants in an anthill. Note that these previous statements are speculation. To my knowledge only one individual genome has been sequenced, I can't make a definitive statement on genetic variation between individuals.
I've talked a lot about intergenic regions, now I'll briefly discuss intragenic sequences. Briefly, because there's not a lot less to say despite its obvious importance. Much like ours, their genes have silencers, enhancers, promoters, 5'UTRs, exons, introns, 3' UTRs etc. There are many genes analogous to ours, which is not surprising given the compatibility of our cellular machinery. What's disturbing is that some genes correspond directly, nucleotide by nucleotide, with known human genes or even some animal genes. For these genes, there doesn't seem to be any artificial refinement but rather a crude copying and pasting. Why they do it is nebulous and still subject to conjecture. There are also many genes which are not found in our biosphere whose role has not been identified. Finding the purpose of these novel genes is one of the aims of the program. I'd like to note before going any further that this heterogeneity of genes of known and unknown origin is an undeniable proof of the artificiality of EBOs.
To conclude with genetics, the mitochondrial genome, at the time I was working there, had not yet been sequenced. It's safe to assume that this genome would also be streamlined and possibly has some version of TPR.
Transcription and translation and protein expression.
I briefly introduced the differences in post-translational modifications between human and EBO. This is hardly a surprise, as we often see the same thing between different terrestrial species. Obtaining a viable protein from a DNA sequence is a complex process involving hundreds of protein intermediates, each with a precise and essential role. A minor variation in this assembly line can lead to functional irregularities in the final product. So, it's no surprise that there are setbacks along the way when the first EBO gene transfection attempts failed to produce the desired functional protein in human cell lines. Fortunately for us, the work of what I imagine to be another team at another site has led to the development of an EBO cell line named EPI-G11 derived from epithelial tissues. With this tool in our hands, we were able to transfect and overexpress proteins of interest in order to eventually purify and study them. For your information, we use a biological ballistics delivery system (AKA gene gun) for our transfection needs because other methods are not very effective with cells of this line. For example, the viral vectors tested cannot be internalized by EPI-G11 and lipofection is too lethal. EPI-G11, like most eukaryotic cell lines, enters a phase of exponential growth when exposed to Fetal Bovine Serum. It's only half surprising that a cell line from such an exotic source should be sensitive to the growth factors present in FBS. In my opinion, this can be explained by the addition of animal genes to the genome, such as growth receptors.
Gross anatomy:
They are morphologically very similar to the grey aliens that are part of modern folklore. Their height is about 150cm, they have two arms, two legs and a head. Still, there are some notable differences.
Skin: The grey skin that is often described in folklore is in fact a biosynthetic film which, likely, serves to protect the EBO from a hostile environment. It doesn't provide effective protection against temperature changes, but it does offer adequate protection against the passage of liquids. It's possible that this film confers other advantages but my knowledge on the subject is limited. Under the grey film, the epidermis is rather white, and the texture is very regular and without any hair. We do not see any defect other than the folds near the joints. It's described as greasy in one report, but that's not something I've observed. The same report states that a strong, lingering smell of burnt hair and ammonia is present when the film is removed. There are a lot of pores on the skin, crossing from the epidermis to a gland in the hypodermis. These glands and pores are the terminal part of the excretory-sudoriferous system, which could explain the previously mentioned smell.
Head: The head contains two large, oversized eyes, two nostrils without protuberance, a narrow mouth without lips and two ear canals without auricles. There is a mandible, but the musculature is vestigial. There are no teeth or tongue in the oral cavity. The nasal cavity where the nostrils meet is compact and does not rise cranially but extends axially. There appears to be no equivalent to the olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity. The mouth leads directly to the esophagus and the nasal cavity to the trachea. The trachea and esophagus do not communicate.
Eye: Like the skin, the eyes are covered with a semi-transparent biosynthetic film that offers the same environmental protection, while providing protection against certain wavelengths and light intensity. When the film is removed, a more traditional eye is revealed. It's about three times larger than a human eye and there are no eyelids. The size of their eyes suggests they have excellent night vision. It seems paradoxical to cover them with a semi-opaque film. Perhaps they only need to wear it in a bright environment. Their sclera is the same color as their skin, the iris is pale grey, and the pupil is black and oversized. The lens is rounder than a human, and the musculature used to adjust focus is more developed. On the retina, there are at least 6 types of cone cells. The responsiveness of each of these 6 types of cone is specific to a wavelength band, with a minimum of overlap between each other. The result is a broader visible spectrum.
Ear: As mentioned, the outer ear has no auricle and the ear canal is unremarkable. The inner ear has all the characteristics of a typical vestibular and cochlear system, although the curvature of the cochlea is more pronounced than a human. This probably results in greater hearing acuity for low frequencies.
Brain: The brain is tetraspheric, i.e. composed of four major sections. The sections are separated by transverse and longitudinal fissures and are connected to the central lobe, which acts as brainstem and cerebellum. The volume of the brain is around 20% superior to that of a man of the same height. It has a much more pronounced level of gyrication than an average human. Moreover, the ratio of glial cells to neurons is also slightly higher than in humans. It is important to mention the presence of nodules on the central lobe. Histological analysis of these structures reveals a kind of intricate biological circuitry. It is speculated that these nodules are essential to interact with their technology. Consequently, determining the proteome of these structures is an absolute priority for the program.
Neck: The neck is proportionally longer than that of a human, and at the same time relatively thin. As mentioned, the esophagus and trachea are separate. There are no vocal cords in this region.
Thorax: The musculature of the thorax is underdeveloped. Muscles equivalent to the pectoralis major can be seen. We can also see the trapezius and deltoid muscles. The sternocleidomastoids are well defined. The ribs and sternum are clearly visible. There are no nipples.
Abdomen: The abdomen is wider than the thorax and bulges slightly forward. There is no navel.
Pelvis: The pelvic bones are apparent. There are no genitals or anus.
Hands and feets: Their hands have four digits, including an opposable thumb on the medial side. They have no nails, and the texture of their fingerprints is composed of concentric circles. Fingers are proportionally much longer than in humans. Unlike humans, finger musculature is entirely intrinsic to the hand. In other words, the muscles used to move the fingers are not in the forearms but entirely located in the hands. At first glance, the feet consist of just two digits, but a necropsy soon determined that each toe was made of two fused digits. The medial toe is marginally longer than the distal toe. The feet are relatively longer and narrower than in a human. Their musculature, however, is vestigial.
The EBOs endoskeleton is very similar to ours, at least in terms of composition. There's collagen, hydroxyapatite but also copper oxide crystals where marrow would normally be found. The role of these crystals has not been established, but it is not a crystalopathic condition. The blood cells of the myeloid lineage (or the equivalent for these creatures) therefore mature in a different location than in humans i.e. in the thymus like organ. A transverse section of the bone reveals osteon and osteocytes. There appear to be few osteoblasts and no osteoclasts. This indicates that the bones are no longer growing and cannot absorb the minerals present or adapt mechanically to changes in posture.
Biological system:
Respiratory system: Their cellular respiration is equivalent to ours, i.e. they need to oxidize organic components to produce energy. Their lungs have no reciprocating action, but rather have a unidirectional flow of air, similar to those seen in birds, which is more efficient than ours. It is speculated that this is in response to the brain's elevated metabolic needs. Vocalization is produced by vibration of the wall membrane at the junction between the two air sacs.
The Circulatory system of EBOs is rather analogous to ours. The heart is located in the mediastanum, but in a more medial position, directly beneath the sternum. The heart has two ventricles and two atria. There is an aorta, a pulmonary vein, a pulmonary artery and a vena cava. Blood flowing to the pulmonary capillaries via the pulmonary artery is pumped against the flow of air, maximizing gas exchange efficiency. The blood gas barrier is relatively narrow in these capillaries, at least compared to a human. Then oxygen-rich blood is returned to the heart and then expelled into the aorta and the rest of the body. Before returning to the heart, the blood will pass through the hepatorenal organ which, among other things, filters and controls osmotic pressure of the blood.
The blood itself is also analogous to that of a human. However, the proportion of plasma is much higher, albumin is in similar proportion ,hormone levels are much lower, metal ion levels are much higher (particularly copper) and glucose levels are significantly higher. The color of the blood is brownish, given the higher proportion of plasma and concentration of metal ions. On the cellular side, there are erythrocytes which, in addition to hemoglobin for binding oxygen, display several complexes capable of binding copper ions. It's not clear what role these copper ions play but we believe it neutralizes blood ammonia, among other things. Several cell types with leukocyte characteristics have been observed, but no comprehensive knowledge of them exists. Platelets are present, but in smaller proportions than in humans.
Excreto-sudoriferous system: This system is completely different from what I've seen. As mentioned earlier, there is no large orifice, like an anus or urethra, to get rid of biological waste. Instead, there are countless small pores on the surface of the skin. There's a large medial organ called the hepatorenal organ, which acts as both kidney and liver and is central to maintaining homeostasis. This organ is highly vascularized and the blood must pass through it before returning to the heart. Its role is, among other things, to purify the blood of metabolic waste. Waste is excreted into the equivalent of a ureter, which branches out into four. Each branch flows towards one of the four limbs and in turn these branches divide until they end up as thousands of excretory pores. The motility of this excretory system is mediated by a weak peristalsis at the proximal level and on the four main branches. Peristalsis ceases around the first distal junction. As there is no urea cycle, the ammonia concentration at the exit of the hepatorenal organ is very high. This ammonia is carried to the pores and gives the distinct odor I mentioned earlier. The rationale behind this unusual excretory system is directly related to this excreted ammonia, which enables thermoregulation by evaporating on the skin's surface. The greater the physical effort, the greater the metabolism. This in turn leads to a rise in temperature, and a corresponding increase in metabolic waste via amino acid catabolism. This leads to an increase in filtration and ammonia excretion, which ultimately lowers body temperature.
Digestive system: The digestive system is extremely underdeveloped. There's no there is no stomach in the familiar sense. However, there is a pseudo-stomach located at the transition between the thoracic and abdominal cavities. This organ is not involved in digestion, but only serves as a reservoir. A sphincter controls the flow of food into the intestine. The intestine is limited to the equivalent of our small intestine, i.e. it only serves to absorb liquids and nutrients and acts as the main digestion site. It has villi and microvilli like ours. The intestine ends in the hepato-renal organ, where non-digested matter is transported to the ureter and excretory system. Residues are dissolved in the ammonia of metabolic waste for excretion. There's an organ near the pseudostomachal sphincter that secretes digestive enzymes directly into the intestine. This organ is inspirationally called the digestive organ. It secretes mainly proteolytic enzymes and glycoside hydrolases.
Given the absence of teeth, the narrowness and rigidity of the esophagus, the absence of a true stomach and the absence of defecation, it is strongly believed that EBOs can only consume food in liquid form. It is assumed that, given the high metabolic needs of their brains, this food would have a high carbohydrate concentration. In order to meet other metabolic needs, there must also be a high protein content in the food consumed. These two statements are supported by the type of enzyme secreted by the digestive organ. It is therefore speculated that the food consumed is a sort of broth rich in sugar and protein, which probably also has a high copper content. Given the strict limitations on the type of food that they can consume, it's unlikely that this type of creature could survive in our biosphere without technological support.
Endocrine system: Knowledge of the endocrine system is minimal. We know that cells are receptive to bovine growth hormones, so it's assumed that certain functions are regulated by such a system. Endocrine mechanisms are very complex, and it goes without saying that they are best studied on living subjects.
Immune system: The immune system is another unknown. There seems to be an innate immune system but there doesn't seem to be any adaptive immunity, at least not similar to what is known. There's a thymus-like organ near the heart that's proportionally larger than in humans. This organ seems to be where all blood cells mature. Some cells have leukocyte characteristics such as granularity. The immune cells that germinate here have a high copper concentration. The surface receptors of innate immune cells have not yet been characterized, so we might as well say that all the work remains to be done.
Nervous system: The nervous system is also relatively similar. The spinal cord begins at the base of the central lobe of the brain and propagates down the vertebral column. In the vertebrae there are ganglia made of afferent and efferent neurons. In short, other than the CNS, there is nothing out of the ordinary.
Musculoskeletal system: The musculoskeletal system is very ordinary, albeit underdeveloped. Most of the human skeletal muscles have an equivalent. Only the hands, feet and forearms are different. It should be noted that the proportion of type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers is different from that in a human. Indeed, type 1 outnumbers type 2 by about a factor of 10.
Artificial system: We speculate that artificial molecular machines may be present in the body, and that copper, if present, would be essential to their function or assembly. Importantly, no AMMs have been observed.


Taken with a grain of salt but this is an interesting entertainment piece at the least. "AI molecular machines may be present in the body."
 
Fun read, but smells like total bullshit. I figure with these intentional government "leaks" being a regular occurrence now, we'll continue to see a massive surge in things like this to divert peoples attention to fake stuff and for random people to clout chase. I guess that's always been a big aspect of the UFO community, but it seems to be on an uptick IMO.

It's all very Michael Crichton. The religion dossier explains the disposable nature of the creature. Instead of wasting time researching the natural logic of the excretory system, the scientists simply go "dude drones lmao" and move on.
I was thinking the same. Reminded me of Crichton's book, Prey with artificial drones/molecular ai drones.
 

Shodai

Member
Fun read, but smells like total bullshit. I figure with these intentional government "leaks" being a regular occurrence now, we'll continue to see a massive surge in things like this to divert peoples attention to fake stuff and for random people to clout chase. I guess that's always been a big aspect of the UFO community, but it seems to be on an uptick IMO.


I was thinking the same. Reminded me of Crichton's book, Prey with artificial drones/molecular ai drones.
Divert attention from what? Alien/UFO disclosure is a 10/10 distraction topic. You don't pull out such a big stick to "distract" people without a major reason for doing so. Thus...

If you really believe what you wrote, then WHAT does the government want to distract us from?
 
Divert attention from what? Alien/UFO disclosure is a 10/10 distraction topic. You don't pull out such a big stick to "distract" people without a major reason for doing so. Thus...

If you really believe what you wrote, then WHAT does the government want to distract us from?
I'm not saying that something like this EBO story is a government plant. What I'm saying is that with the US govt officially disclosing at least some bits of information (intentional leaks being things like the Navy released videos, Grusch coming out, Elizondo, etc) there's going to be clout chasers and random other people throwing in things like this above story which will make it more believable with recent events when it is, in fact, more trash and diverts from the more solid "evidence" we've seen recently.

Why are these bits of info being disclosed? Fuck if I know. Is it a psy-op? Maybe. I'm certainly not the guy that sits around claiming to have the answers.
 

Romulus

Member
Fun read, but smells like total bullshit. I figure with these intentional government "leaks" being a regular occurrence now, we'll continue to see a massive surge in things like this to divert peoples attention to fake stuff and for random people to clout chase. I guess that's always been a big aspect of the UFO community, but it seems to be on an uptick IMO.


I was thinking the same. Reminded me of Crichton's book, Prey with artificial drones/molecular ai drones.


Doesn't really add up when you consider other countries are dealing with a similar level of activity and even government programs to study ufos but they handle the information differently than the US.

So it's like "everyone is in on the conspiracy" but there's zero consistency across nations about how they deliver news to their people, but also "everyone is lying" somehow about the same thing going back to ww2 and even Roman times.

For every Roswell or Nimitz encounter, there's a similar situation that happened in another country, but somehow everyone is lying all the time.
 
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How come in the last 70/ 80 years people are only just reporting UFOs.

Combination of we haven't had the technology before to observe?
Aliens suddenly interested in our trash civilization?
Deluded retards seeking validation and attention?
 

INC

Member
How come in the last 70/ 80 years people are only just reporting UFOs.

Combination of we haven't had the technology before to observe?
Aliens suddenly interested in our trash civilization?
Deluded retards seeking validation and attention?

They haven't lol

Cave drawings depict ufos and beings from 1000s of years ago, many cultures have myths based on ufos and beings (if you class Cave draws as ancient news I guess)

As for ufos, news reports have been made from 100s of years ago,


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There's plenty, if you just searched a little
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I heard when Jackie Gleason was shown the greys, he was never the same after that. Of course, that's assuming you believe that story.
 

Raonak

Banned
The "greys" are a complete misdirection.

They were created by the global initiative's human synthesis project, the idea was to grow full size test tube "humans".
Considering their entire genome is biologically printed, they are shockingly close to humans. 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes, a ribcage, 1 brain.
They are NOT designed to reproduce (either asexually or sexually) so they lack the organs required for that.

Even though they grow in a chemical solution, and their cells perform cellular functions, the entire body doesn't actually work together and rather just a collection of respirating cellular structures.
There's electrical activity happening in the brain structure, but it doesn't actually interact with the other body parts in ways that we would expect.
They're living in the sense that the cells are alive, but the whole body isn't what you'd call "alive".
Once out of the solution, all the cells end up dying anyway.

The US branch often uses contractors to study the bodies under the guise of an "alien autopsy", which is where all these leaks and stories come from.

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That's not to say aliens don't exist. They definitely do, but they do not resemble humans, or anything like life we find on earth, even calling them "life" is debated.

All the space faring civilisations I've come across take the form of a cloud matrix of sub-quantum intelligence nodes. They basically exist kinda like really really really tiny drones dispersed all throughout the universe and completely lack any biological/machine bodies. (It seems to be the natural endpoint for any decently advanced civilisation. Biological -> Machine -> "Node")

We don't have the technology to actually detect them in a traditional sense. But they are found literally everywhere in the universe, and even though they are nanoscopic, the combined mass and it's effect on gravity can be observed. Public scientists currently call the gravitational effects "dark matter".

We can't really study them in traditional ways, because our technology currently requires firing photons, but these "nodes" don't actually interact with the EM spectrum.
That's why the big advancements in understanding gravitational waves is such a breakthrough, because that's how we think these nodes communicate with each other.

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As for the actual UFOs themselves, I'm not sure, but they are definitely local to earth. They're not found on other planets, or in space in general.
They probably belong to the global initiative, I'm guessing part of the atmosphere stablisation project.
That's not really my department, so I don't really know the details.

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Anyways, this post is definitely get "retconned" by the global initiative at some point,
but thought I should clear up some of the confusion .... or maybe I just added to it?
 

Raonak

Banned
Ask yourself, what are the chances that the first aliens we find resemble humans at all?

We see ourselves as the only intelligent life on the planet, and think a head on the top of your body is ideal, one that contains 1 brain, 2 eyes, 2 sound holes, 2 smell holes, 1 multifunction hole that is used for the passageway of nutrients and gas exchange, AND verbal communication.
we think that limb+joint bipedalism is best. We think hands that have fingers with 3 joints in them are best. we think necks and torsos are cool.
we think all of these assumptions based on the fact we humans have them. It's classic human anthropomorphism.

The simple fact is the "greys" only resemble us, because they are literally designed by us to be us.

Truth is, there are countless planets out there with advanced levels of life, and unsurprisingly, they come in many many many shapes and sizes.

This is all not even taking into account that a spacefaring civilisation (that has solved long range space travel) would not send biological entities in the first place.
The risk of contamination from either side is way too high.
 
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kurisu_1974

is on perm warning for being a low level troll
Ask yourself, what are the chances that the first aliens we find resemble humans at all?

We see ourselves as the only intelligent life on the planet, and think a head on the top of your body is ideal, one that contains 1 brain, 2 eyes, 2 sound holes, 2 smell holes, 1 multifunction hole that is used for the passageway of nutrients and gas exchange, AND verbal communication.
we think that limb+joint bipedalism is best. We think hands that have fingers with 3 joints in them are best. we think necks and torsos are cool.
we think all of these assumptions based on the fact we humans have them. It's classic human anthropomorphism.

The simple fact is that they resemble us, because they are literally designed by us to be us.
Truth is, there are countless planets out there with advanced levels of life, and unsurprisingly, they come in many many many shapes and sizes.

This is all not even taking into account that a spacefaring civilisation (that has solved long range space travel) would not send biological entities in the first place.
The risk of contamination from either side is way too high.

Sure but you are still making that all up, right. Or you "believe" it. It's a bit like god-of-the-gaps but with aliens.
 

midnightAI

Member
The "greys" are a complete misdirection.

They were created by the global initiative's human synthesis project, the idea was to grow full size test tube "humans".
Considering their entire genome is biologically printed, they are shockingly close to humans. 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes, a ribcage, 1 brain.
They are NOT designed to reproduce (either asexually or sexually) so they lack the organs required for that.

Even though they grow in a chemical solution, and their cells perform cellular functions, the entire body doesn't actually work together and rather just a collection of respirating cellular structures.
There's electrical activity happening in the brain structure, but it doesn't actually interact with the other body parts in ways that we would expect.
They're living in the sense that the cells are alive, but the whole body isn't what you'd call "alive".
Once out of the solution, all the cells end up dying anyway.

The US branch often uses contractors to study the bodies under the guise of an "alien autopsy", which is where all these leaks and stories come from.

--

That's not to say aliens don't exist. They definitely do, but they do not resemble humans, or anything like life we find on earth, even calling them "life" is debated.

All the space faring civilisations I've come across take the form of a cloud matrix of sub-quantum intelligence nodes. They basically exist kinda like really really really tiny drones dispersed all throughout the universe and completely lack any biological/machine bodies. (It seems to be the natural endpoint for any decently advanced civilisation. Biological -> Machine -> "Node")

We don't have the technology to actually detect them in a traditional sense. But they are found literally everywhere in the universe, and even though they are nanoscopic, the combined mass and it's effect on gravity can be observed. Public scientists currently call the gravitational effects "dark matter".

We can't really study them in traditional ways, because our technology currently requires firing photons, but these "nodes" don't actually interact with the EM spectrum.
That's why the big advancements in understanding gravitational waves is such a breakthrough, because that's how we think these nodes communicate with each other.

---

As for the actual UFOs themselves, I'm not sure, but they are definitely local to earth. They're not found on other planets, or in space in general.
They probably belong to the global initiative, I'm guessing part of the atmosphere stablisation project.
That's not really my department, so I don't really know the details.

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Anyways, this post is definitely get "retconned" by the global initiative at some point,
but thought I should clear up some of the confusion .... or maybe I just added to it?
Why are you writing that as though it's fact?

(Not saying I disagree with you btw)

Edit: and actually, I partially retract this anyway, I should just assume it's opinion on each post as the simple reason is for most stuff regarding aliens, UFO's etc we as the public do not know a thing for sure.
 
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kurisu_1974

is on perm warning for being a low level troll
Why are you writing that as though it's fact?

(Not saying I disagree with you btw)

Edit: and actually, I partially retract this anyway, I should just assume it's opinion on each post as the simple reason is for most stuff regarding aliens, UFO's etc we as the public do not know a thing for sure.

Would still be nice to know what these "opinions" are based upon otherwise I could just write up a couple of paragraphs of made up sci-fi nonsense and I don't think that would benefit the discussion.
 
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Raonak

Banned
Sure but you are still making that all up, right. Or you "believe" it. It's a bit like god-of-the-gaps but with aliens.

I'm just trying to clear up some of the confusion around using my inside knowledge. Far too many people in the alien community don't know what they are talking about and are making random shit up.

Anyway, I did some asking around. And sounds like the majority of the UFO sightings comes from a skydot project which uses a combination of low earth satilites and 5G signals to refract light to create images in the sky. But can't really do shit but show colored circles at the moment. But once it gets past beta testing, they'll be able to show enough dots to form an image (may take a couple decades from the current pace of the project) I hope it's not gonna be used to just display ads....

I've heard mixed reports about prototype version using actual light emitting drones, but that may have been canned because of maintenance costs.
 
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Anyhow. Interesting to see the discussions among american politicians. Part of me is curious, another remembers that some of the discussion is among the ”jewish space lasers and Trump is jesus” crowd.
 
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kurisu_1974

is on perm warning for being a low level troll
I'm just trying to clear up some of the confusion around using my inside knowledge. Far too many people in the alien community don't know what they are talking about and are making random shit up.

Anyway, I did some asking around. And sounds like the majority of the UFO sightings comes from a skydot project which uses a combination of low earth satilites and 5G signals to refract light to create images in the sky. But can't really do shit but show colored circles at the moment. But once it gets past beta testing, they'll be able to show enough dots to form an image (may take a couple decades from the current pace of the project) I hope it's not gonna be used to just display ads....

I've heard mixed reports about prototype version using actual light emitting drones, but that may have been canned because of maintenance costs.

Uh huh.
 

MilkyJoe

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I'm just trying to clear up some of the confusion around using my inside knowledge. Far too many people in the alien community don't know what they are talking about and are making random shit up.

Anyway, I did some asking around. And sounds like the majority of the UFO sightings comes from a skydot project which uses a combination of low earth satilites and 5G signals to refract light to create images in the sky. But can't really do shit but show colored circles at the moment. But once it gets past beta testing, they'll be able to show enough dots to form an image (may take a couple decades from the current pace of the project) I hope it's not gonna be used to just display ads....

I've heard mixed reports about prototype version using actual light emitting drones, but that may have been canned because of maintenance costs.

That's the plot to project Blue Beam
 
The "greys" are a complete misdirection.

They were created by the global initiative's human synthesis project, the idea was to grow full size test tube "humans".
Considering their entire genome is biologically printed, they are shockingly close to humans. 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes, a ribcage, 1 brain.
They are NOT designed to reproduce (either asexually or sexually) so they lack the organs required for that.

Even though they grow in a chemical solution, and their cells perform cellular functions, the entire body doesn't actually work together and rather just a collection of respirating cellular structures.
There's electrical activity happening in the brain structure, but it doesn't actually interact with the other body parts in ways that we would expect.
They're living in the sense that the cells are alive, but the whole body isn't what you'd call "alive".
Once out of the solution, all the cells end up dying anyway.

The US branch often uses contractors to study the bodies under the guise of an "alien autopsy", which is where all these leaks and stories come from.

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That's not to say aliens don't exist. They definitely do, but they do not resemble humans, or anything like life we find on earth, even calling them "life" is debated.

All the space faring civilisations I've come across take the form of a cloud matrix of sub-quantum intelligence nodes. They basically exist kinda like really really really tiny drones dispersed all throughout the universe and completely lack any biological/machine bodies. (It seems to be the natural endpoint for any decently advanced civilisation. Biological -> Machine -> "Node")

We don't have the technology to actually detect them in a traditional sense. But they are found literally everywhere in the universe, and even though they are nanoscopic, the combined mass and it's effect on gravity can be observed. Public scientists currently call the gravitational effects "dark matter".

We can't really study them in traditional ways, because our technology currently requires firing photons, but these "nodes" don't actually interact with the EM spectrum.
That's why the big advancements in understanding gravitational waves is such a breakthrough, because that's how we think these nodes communicate with each other.

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As for the actual UFOs themselves, I'm not sure, but they are definitely local to earth. They're not found on other planets, or in space in general.
They probably belong to the global initiative, I'm guessing part of the atmosphere stablisation project.
That's not really my department, so I don't really know the details.

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Anyways, this post is definitely get "retconned" by the global initiative at some point,
but thought I should clear up some of the confusion .... or maybe I just added to it?
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sono

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Ross: "What if it is too big to be moved? It is so big they built a building around it in another country"

Against: Ross is a journalist repeating what he has been told by one or more anonymous sources second or third hand. So again it is verbals and now Ross is becoming a source of information himself

For: at least he is consistent in his passion in his belief for this

And as he says what if it is true ?biggest news for humanity.. ever..
 
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haxan7

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Ross: "What if it is too big to be moved? It is so big they built a building around it in another country"

Against: Ross is a journalist repeating what he has been told by one or more anonymous sources second or third hand. So again it is verbals and now Ross is becoming a source of information himself

For: at least he is consistent in his passion in his belief for this

And as he says what if it is true ?biggest news for humanity.. ever..

This is that full interview for reference
 
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DosGamer

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It doesnt surprise me in the least that the US would just build a building over a crashed craft. Really would like more information on this topic.
 
This is complete crap. People bite on this trash without any information at all. It’s nonsense, and that’s why Coulthart is not actually sharing any information like country.

Is he protecting his sources? No. He’s just leaked there’s a building with a ufo under it, so whoever runs the thing knows now someone leaked it.

It’s because no one leaked it, he’s hearing it from grifters like Greer.
 
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Raonak

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The crashed UFO building theory is nonsense. A real crash site would make the ground unstable for a very wide radius. You literally can't build a building without laying a foundation which you can't do unless you move the UFO in the first place. Noone in their right mind is going to build an unstable structure around a UFO.

Then you have the material transport problem of the crash site needing to be near enough to a road, which meant it was near civilisation, which meant there should be footage of sort sort when it first crashed or was crashing.

And I've checked the infonet and nothing exists regarding these wild claims.

Now. What does happen is that the global initiative does have a lot of top secret aerial projects, but they all are made of a conductive depressurized carbon mesh materials that dissolves at higher pressures so when they start crashing. The start dissolving before they ever hit the ground.


After careful consideration, I retract my retraction, what on earth (chuckle) is Raonak going on about? I think we'll need proof of any of those wild comments.

This is a UFO thread. There's literally no real proof of anything being claimed and shown in these threads. My insider knowledge is more sensible than majority of the nonsense being peddled in here. Do you think these people doing public interviews actually know anything? Absolutely not. Because these interviews would not even exist in the first place. Do you think that literal biological aliens from a completely different star system are coming here to flash blinky lights and doing zoomies in the sky? Of course not, space faring aliens only exist in forms that are undetectable to humanity at it's current state.

I've said to much anyway. Everything I've written will be retconned by the initiative sooner or later.
 
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haxan7

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This is complete crap. People bite on this trash without any information at all. It’s nonsense, and that’s why Coulthart is not actually sharing any information like country.

Is he protecting his sources? No. He’s just leaked there’s a building with a ufo under it, so whoever runs the thing knows now someone leaked it.

It’s because no one leaked it, he’s hearing it from grifters like Greer.
Why even come in this thread if you’re just gonna naysay? A thread is for discussion. You’re adding nothing of value in either direction. Taking a dump on something doesn’t count as discussion. You may as well just post on YouTube comments.
 
Why even come in this thread if you’re just gonna naysay? A thread is for discussion. You’re adding nothing of value in either direction. Taking a dump on something doesn’t count as discussion. You may as well just post on YouTube comments.
I come in here because I’m genuinely interested in the subject and events. That doesn’t mean I swallow any trash, which is what this story is. It’s implausible to the extreme, there’s nothing to follow up on, and it was previously peddled by Greer ~ which should be enough for anyone to know it’s bullshit.
 

haxan7

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I come in here because I’m genuinely interested in the subject and events. That doesn’t mean I swallow any trash, which is what this story is. It’s implausible to the extreme, there’s nothing to follow up on, and it was previously peddled by Greer ~ which should be enough for anyone to know it’s bullshit.
Then share why you hold your position so we can weigh your thoughts and agree or disagree. That’s how a discussion works. Like I said, you offered nothing to discuss, only took a gleeful dump on the subject. I shouldn’t have to explain this.
 

sono

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It doesnt surprise me in the least that the US would just build a building over a crashed craft.
As I highlighted above - He said it is outside the USA so think about that for a moment -
That means it is another government that built this cover up building (or the other government gave US forces permission to build a building on their country around an object too big to be moved and in top secret :messenger_grinning_sweat:
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Non USA.. means USA cannot disclose anything without permission of that other country. It is just a curve ball imho. and Ross went for it so this is how the USA are now distancing themselves from disclosure !! (we have nothing in the USA.. etc)

Also congress have no power or authority over other country territory, the 6 month amnesty has no meaning in that context. You or I have as much power as them in this situation (ie none)

Sorry Ross you lost it now. You are become news yourself
 
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haxan7

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As I highlighted above - He said it is outside the USA so think about that for a moment -
That means it is another government that built this cover up building (or the other government gave US forces permissoin to build a building on their country around an object too big to be moved and in top secret :messenger_grinning_sweat:
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Non USA.. means USA cannot disclose anything without permission of that other country. It is just a curve ball imho. and Ross went for it so this is how the USA are now distancing themselves from from disclosure !! (we have nothing in the USA.. etc)

Also congress have no power or authority over other country territory, the 6 month amnesty has no meaning in that context. You or I have as much power as them in this situation (ie none)

Sorry Ross you lost it now. You are become news yourself
It could mean that, or it could mean the object was actually grounded outside the borders of the US and is too large to move. You have no proof to say definitively that he’s making up a story. Last time I checked the US landmass covers less than 20% of the globe.
 
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sono

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It could mean that, or it could mean the object was actually grounded outside the borders of the US and is too large to move. You have no proof to say definitively that he’s making up a story. Last time I checked the US landmass covers less than 20% of the globe.
I didn't write (he believes that ) he is lying. Also in terms of your other points you may need to re-read what I did write.
 
Then share why you hold your position so we can weigh your thoughts and agree or disagree. That’s how a discussion works. Like I said, you offered nothing to discuss, only took a gleeful dump on the subject. I shouldn’t have to explain this.
I get it - you really want to believe this one. I'm not sure you're reading what I'm writing, though.

I've given you my position on the giant ufo that a building was built over in a foreign country - it's absolutely worthless information. It's unprovable. There's nothing to go on here. Not any details of what kind of thing the supposed craft is, not where it is, not what company or building its under. It's in a foreign country, so I assume people can now say, "Well, US won't disclose because it's in a foreign country, it's not in their jurisdiction so it doesn't have to be disclosed," so there's an out there about why it'll never be revealed. So, it's just a piece of noise that isn't worth paying any attention to. He's even said, "What if this is true?" Sure, we can play make believe and play what if, but that's not really what I'm interested in.

I don't think Coulthart is lying per se, but I think he knows the information is suspect, and not verifiable and concrete and likely just a story that will end up being just someone's stupid story, hence why he goes into, "What if?" He says, "Let's test these claims. Let's investigate it." Yes, Ross, let's do that. Give me the name of the country and the geolocation and we'll investigate it. Give us the building, the name of the company, give us anything and we can investigate. Until that happens, it is impossible to investigate.

My further opinion on the subject of UAPs is this: making grandiose claims that are worthless is damaging to the whole process. If the goal is to have UAPs destigmatized and enable scientists to study and look for data without judgement, rolling out statements without data, without any way to prove or disprove, that sound ludicrous, is not the way to do it. If you're regurgitating a claim Greer is making, then it's even more suspect. Greer literally charges people tens of thousands to have a camping trip where he pretends to make contact with aliens and shoots off flares.
 
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midnightAI

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Ross: "What if it is too big to be moved? It is so big they built a building around it in another country"

Against: Ross is a journalist repeating what he has been told by one or more anonymous sources second or third hand. So again it is verbals and now Ross is becoming a source of information himself

For: at least he is consistent in his passion in his belief for this

And as he says what if it is true ?biggest news for humanity.. ever..
And what if Ross had books about UFO's to sell? hmmm

(I'm being sarcastic, but still, again, its all just talk as you mention)
 
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