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[AJUMP23]

My thoughts on this is that alien meetings if they happen are related to the spiritual realm crossing over into our physical realm, or vice versa. That is what there are sometimes similar descriptions but also hard to interpret. We can’t fathom yet what the spiritual realm is like so we do our best to relate to our current dimension.

 

[INC]

I watched that Bob Lazar documentary recently and it really surprised me how sincere he sounded. Surfing the web for information related to him I found this website: https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/12/review-bob-lazar-area-51-and-flying-saucers/

There are a few articles there talking about disinformation campaigns and how Lazar could be a vessel to spread false information regarding the UFO topics.

I used to be a stench believer but over time I have cared less and less about the topic. I still believe it is a possibility but can't imagine any government on earth to be capable of keeping a secret this huge for such a long time.

Also, I saw a Jaime Maussan video posted in this thread. He used to be a respected researcher but he has fallen for a lot of scams or maybe he has been a willing participant. I wouldn't trust a word he says.

Check out his joe rogan podcast, worth a watch. I've watched a few body language experts dissect his podcast, and they're basically saying (due to his body language), to HIM he is telling the truth, or HE believes he is telling the truth.

Well government kept the SR71 secret for decades, same as the stealth bomber, so its not hard to believe, that they can keep secret aircraft under wraps

 

[A.Romero]

Check out his joe rogan podcast, worth a watch. I've watched a few body language experts dissect his podcast, and they're basically saying (due to his body language), to HIM he is telling the truth, or HE believes he is telling the truth.

Well government kept the SR71 secret for decades, same as the stealth bomber, so its not hard to believe, that they can keep secret aircraft under wraps

Yes, he sounds so sincere. I too think he believes he is saying the truth.

 

[rofif]

what about the video i posted above from canadas ministry of defense; at a press conference. many officials are often risking alot - being labled as nutcases, thrown outside their profession, and for what - nothing, the risks far outweigh the benefits. then theres countless videos of military vets and ex-CIA guys recounting tales of UFO's - and to no gain one would think..



what is THAT guy getting from telling this story? he has nothing to gain; at the expense of possible riddicule from his friends, co-workers, peers and the public.. it also matches up with countless other tales, from bob lazar to officials to reporters..

lol that guy is full of shit. he seen no aliens.
Old man, they could jut as well pay him 50usd "hey granpa read this".
Just for fun, for money or because was an idiot soldiers who believed in everything. Just because someone is old or soldier don't mean nothing. It's still just talking that cannot be proven. Sure he seems like a nice believe grandpa but it should not be enough.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Check out his joe rogan podcast, worth a watch. I've watched a few body language experts dissect his podcast, and they're basically saying (due to his body language), to HIM he is telling the truth, or HE believes he is telling the truth.

Well government kept the SR71 secret for decades, same as the stealth bomber, so its not hard to believe, that they can keep secret aircraft under wraps

Do you really think the s4 craft is just a secret military craft? We can manipulate gravity now? Why are we sitting on that? This isn't an attack on you btw. I'd like to hear your thoughts on these crafts specifically.

 

[Romulus]

Imagine how difficult it would be to convince some of the population if world governments started coming out and confirming these alien meetings. Say it was 100% truth.
Everything would be a conspiracy/distraction to the despite how overwhelming the evidence is presented. Despite everything we've been hearing going back to the early 1900s and well before. Despite the billions of galaxies with billions of planets inside each one.
I remember reading about how many Europeans thought Spain's voyages to the Americas and their encounters with native brown skin people was a bunch of lies. That a certain large percentage believed it was bullshit for decades. Lol.
Typical human behavior.

 

[INC]

Do you really think the s4 craft is just a secret military craft? We can manipulate gravity now? Why are we sitting on that? This isn't an attack on you btw. I'd like to hear your thoughts on these crafts specifically.

As I've said before, I play devils advocate with the subject, I'll look at any possible angle, and possible explanations.

My personal thoughts are, ufos are officially real, and looking at the capabilities of the craft shown, there's nothing even remotely close, to the tech being used and how they perform (based reliable witness accounts, ie David fravor and other military personal who have seen these craft). Not even 10 steps to even getting close to anti gravitytech. If they have, id expect tech derived from that, I mean I'm sure fibre optics and shit like that, spawned from military or nasa tech. We're just not there yet. So doesnt really leave much left to guess where the tech comes from, logically if we don't have the tech here, then its from somewhere else.

Until its confirmed, I'll continue to question it all, its a fun subject regardless

 

[OmegaSupreme]

As I've said before, I play devils advocate with the subject, I'll look at any possible angle, and possible explanations.

My personal thoughts are, ufos are officially real, and looking at the capabilities of the craft shown, there's nothing even remotely close, to the tech being used and how they perform (based reliable witness accounts, ie David fravor and other military personal who have seen these craft). Not even 10 steps even getting close to anti gravitytech. If they have, id expect tech derived form that, I mean I'm sure fibre optics and shit like that, spawned from military or nasa tech. We're just not there yet. So doesnt really leave much left to guess where the tech comes from, logically if we don't have the tech here, then its its from somewhere else.

Until its confirmed, I'll continue to question it all, its a fun subject regardless

It is indeed. I really just want this all to blow open in my lifetime. I want to see the craft strutted out in a fucking parade lol. I want to see the damn aliens themselves. All of it. I think they have been successfully keeping it under wraps for decades for fear of chaos. I say tear off the bandaid and let's see what happens.

 

[Coolwhhip]

If Bob Lazar speaks the truth, why wouldnt they tell the world they have 9 alien spaceships? And why would NASA still look for life when they know it fucking visited here? Doesnt make sense...

 

[Romulus]

 

[INC]

If Bob Lazar speaks the truth, why wouldnt they tell the world they have 9 alien spaceships? And why would NASA still look for life when they know it fucking visited here? Doesnt make sense...

If the believed history of ufos is to be taken as canon, then nasa had nothing to do with recovering crash crafts. It was military, if military informed nasa they have craft, that would mean announcing we're not alone, that tech then becomes useless to the military.

Who knows, perhaps its just a massive psy-op, to create a fake ufo invasion

Or its all bullshit, but then again, there's declassified evidence in the wild now, so.......there's obviously something to it. What the whole of picture of 'it' is, we still don't know.....obviously

 

[Romulus]

If Bob Lazar speaks the truth, why wouldnt they tell the world they have 9 alien spaceships? And why would NASA still look for life when they know it fucking visited here? Doesnt make sense...

NASA also spent 2 million on a study years ago to gauge how world religions would react to the revealing beings discovered outside of Earth.

It doesn't really make sense to drop all our current studies on life if nasa understands there are visitors coming here, its highly unlikely their from this solar system. Much of the studies are about our system. And scientists constantly study things that seem irrelevant to you and I.

 

[A.Romero]

If Bob Lazar speaks the truth, why wouldnt they tell the world they have 9 alien spaceships? And why would NASA still look for life when they know it fucking visited here? Doesnt make sense...

They wouldn't tell the world because:

1) Social unrest would be through the roof. How does aliens fit in most religions of the world? It's a game changer like it has never happened before.
2) If we can't even accept different cultures, how do you think humans in general would react to a totally different species? (which by the way could be way more advanced than us)
3) If the US is the only country in the world with access to that tech, what do you think the rest will do? Just sit there and wait until the US is willing to share?
4) We don't really know the details. Could be that ships are recovered but diplomatic contact is not there. Or it could be that there is more than one civilization and some of them could present a risk to humanity. I can't imagine humanity coming together to deal with a threat like that.

Regarding NASA:

1) Maybe they don't know
2) If they know, they could just be putting a show for the rest of the world (see why they wouldn't tell the world)
3) Maybe they are looking for something else


It's unlikely but I think a topic like this needs to be approached with an open mind. Even if Bob Lazar's story is a hoax and humans don't have ships or actual contact with another civilization, it doesn't mean that they aren't out there and/or have come to the earth or have lived here.

 

[buizel]

If the believed history of ufos is to be taken as canon, then nasa had nothing to do with recovering crash crafts. It was military, if military informed nasa they have craft, that would mean announcing we're not alone, that tech then becomes useless to the military.

Who knows, perhaps its just a massive psy-op, to create a fake ufo invasion

Or its all bullshit, but then again, there's declassified evidence in the wild now, so.......there's obviously something to it. What the whole of picture of 'it' is, we still don't know.....obviously

Periscope shots from a submarine; along with written account from the officer - of unidentified craft flying out the water; any thoughts?

If Bob Lazar speaks the truth, why wouldnt they tell the world they have 9 alien spaceships? And why would NASA still look for life when they know it fucking visited here? Doesnt make sense...

Because if you believe the 'alien conspiracy' - this whole thing goes so much further than 'oh the US has caught some space ships' and 'aliens have visited earth'.

 

[INC]

Yes ive seen that before

Pretty cool, dont they go on to say there was a battle of some kind, or am I thinking of a different account

That ufo also matches the david fravor tic tak ufo, that was declassified, they also said it came from under the water at first

 

[Coolwhhip]

This doesnt make bob lazar look good.

 

[Macromolecola]

I don't think aliens exist.

 

[MrMephistoX]

As I've said before, I play devils advocate with the subject, I'll look at any possible angle, and possible explanations.

My personal thoughts are, ufos are officially real, and looking at the capabilities of the craft shown, there's nothing even remotely close, to the tech being used and how they perform (based reliable witness accounts, ie David fravor and other military personal who have seen these craft). Not even 10 steps to even getting close to anti gravitytech. If they have, id expect tech derived from that, I mean I'm sure fibre optics and shit like that, spawned from military or nasa tech. We're just not there yet. So doesnt really leave much left to guess where the tech comes from, logically if we don't have the tech here, then its from somewhere else.

Until its confirmed, I'll continue to question it all, its a fun subject regardless

Yeah I’m in the camp of UFOs being real and probably life existing on other planets but like you I tend to disbelieve anything that’s super specific and detailed. UFOS exist, no one knows truly what they are and could be anything from some interstellar matter we don’t understand, spiritual phenomena, to advanced air craft made by earthlings or yes aliens. anyone claiming to have had contact with space lizards or vast solar empires is probably delusional to the point of believing their fantasy as influenced by popular culture.

 

[INC]

The dude who mades those documentaries, is an utter bellend, how anyone let him make a documentary is beyond me.

He also gives silly stories, with nothing to back it up, him and George knapp make some stupid claims

For example we had a video of element 115 working in a lab, but we lost it, but here's a video of the end of the experiment shows nothing, and its completely uselss

So you have smoking gun evidence and it some how got lost in the antic..........sure George......sure

 

[Jethalal]

I don't think aliens exist.

I think they might, but I am certain no human has made contact with them.

 

[A.Romero]

This doesnt make bob lazar look good.

I think it makes Jeremy look bad but doesn't really bring anything new to the table regarding Bob. He should have mentioned that there are no academic records for Bob which is weird, considering he has the kind of skills that would prompt the FBI to raid him in a murder case related to a forbidden compound.

The documentary is crap for the reasons listed in the video and other reasons that weren't mentioned.

I also think it's possible Bob could be a disinformation agent. Otherwise I don't know how he would be allowed to live after disclosing such sensitive information.

 

[Coolwhhip]

I think it makes Jeremy look bad but doesn't really bring anything new to the table regarding Bob. He should have mentioned that there are no academic records for Bob which is weird, considering he has the kind of skills that would prompt the FBI to raid him in a murder case related to a forbidden compound.

The documentary is crap for the reasons listed in the video and other reasons that weren't mentioned.

I also think it's possible Bob could be a disinformation agent. Otherwise I don't know how he would be allowed to live after disclosing such sensitive information.

Lazar talking about a hand scan tool from a movie is odd at least. But yeah, him not arrested or killed after leaking this info is too.

 

[buizel]

This doesnt make bob lazar look good.

It's more damning of Jeremy; if anything. I agree that the documentary was mostly talk and speculation with some 'mysterious words' from Jeremy & Mickey Rourke for some reason.

But yes, that documentary isn't great. Doesn't mean the entire subject if UFO's and Bob Lazar can be discredited though.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Bad news for everyone in this topic

 

[Macromolecola]

I mean, Even if aliens exist, I don't think they could care less about us.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Seems mathematically impossible that they don't exist.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Seems mathematically impossible that they don't exist.

2 x 4 + 3 = 11

My god you are right.

 

[buizel]

2 x 4 + 3 = 11

My god you are right.

So, without any of your sarcasm - what's your explanation of this craft leaving the water and flying into the sky:


Though i dont know why i bother asking you you'll just come up with some annoying sarcastic remark because you have such little confidence in your own beliefs you can't help treating everything with a sarcastic facade

 

[A.Romero]

Bad news for everyone in this topic

Thanks for the video. I like seeing that guy speak. I enjoyed when Jack said that men can't build something smarter than themselves and Elon quickly telling him he disagrees and some good arguments.

I don't know if he would know. I mean, why does he think he would know about what, if true, would be the best kept secret in the history of humankind?

It would be catastrophic for him, for sure. All that money spent on SpaceX just so a bunch of aliens come and bring much better technology out of their ass, lol.

 

[INC]

Bad news for everyone in this topic

Well area 51 was known for being a top secret testing ground for stealth and the SR71. S4 is meant to the honeypot

If the lore is to be believed

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Seems strange to me people who don't believe in aliens. Why not?

 

[Romulus]

Bad news for everyone in this topic

Not at all. Hes not much further ahead of you and in terms of secret knowledge on the subject. He's not military or a government official. Being incredibly smart and sending rockets into space does not qualify him to know the history of UFOs. Even the presidents are limited knowledge on the subject. But both Bush and Obama when asked about it said. "I can't reveal what I know."

If you have an iq over 90 that's all you need.

 

[Valued Gamer]

Seems strange to me people who don't believe in aliens. Why not?

Because they planted their flag in the "UFOs dont exist" camp and now that things have talen a right hand turn with recent disclosures they double down on their position even harder.
Classic psychology.

 

[Valued Gamer]

I expect to see a Joe Rogan podcast with both Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon in the next few weeks or so.
Joe was avoiding anything to do with TTSA because of his relationship with DeLonge, but now that both have left, it's a given.

 

[Tesseract]

 

[InverseAgonist]

Seems mathematically impossible that they don't exist.

This is actually not true. The math is against them (intelligent beings) existing in our observable universe. See my previous post for links to the math: Dissolving the Fermi Paradox

Note: If the universe is infinite, as some of the CMB radiation data suggest, than it's a given. Intelligent life must exist, we'll just never see it. Just as there are near exact copies of you out there that differ by just a atom here or there, all the ways up to one where you found a winning lottery ticket this morning. So, a lot of copies! You'll just never see or interact with them.

 

[buizel]

So I'm listening to Art Bell Coast to Coast; one of his eps gives Area 51 whistleblowers the chance to spill the beans on Area 51.

Theyve discussed many things such as the (officially DIDNT EXIST YET) area 51, Bob Lazar, work at S-4, many people predicting alien visitation after many world catastrophes etc etc.



This bit was kinda freaky; some panicked guy calls in talking about aliens being inter-dimensional (a pretty prevelant theory) and then gets cut off; then the radio signal gets cut off the air until they get a backup. Even if this bit is a hoax or you think it's silly or w/ever, the whole episode is pretty good to listen to!

Many stories from callers match up with the others over the centuries and is a fun watch.

 

[INC]

I've heard that panicked phone call before.

Now, whether its legit, or not. Its a pretty chilling piece of media regardless. May sample it for a track....hmmm

 

[buizel]

I've heard that panicked phone call before.

Now, whether its legit, or not. Its a pretty chilling piece of media regardless. May sample it for a track....hmmm

You could sample anything Art Bell says and put it in a lo-fi track, im sure it exists... lol

It could easily be a prank, but the radio transmitter suddenly failing for no reason, and Art Bell saying its never happened and weird and coincidence... so odd. Any other good eps of Coast2Coast (im only finding out this stuff now)

He talks about how the end of the phone call was cut off; how it ended with a scream and then the phone went dead... :|

 

[buizel]

I've heard that panicked phone call before.

Now, whether its legit, or not. Its a pretty chilling piece of media regardless. May sample it for a track....hmmm

Quite a few callers after THAT caller talk about the incident ; with many other callers saying their radio ALSO got cut off and this guy says all his Hard Drive data was wiped at the same time. Quite a few callers call in with suspicious circumstances surrounding that call... :|

 

[ryan13ts]

So I'm listening to Art Bell Coast to Coast; one of his eps gives Area 51 whistleblowers the chance to spill the beans on Area 51.

Theyve discussed many things such as the (officially DIDNT EXIST YET) area 51, Bob Lazar, work at S-4, many people predicting alien visitation after many world catastrophes etc etc.



This bit was kinda freaky; some panicked guy calls in talking about aliens being inter-dimensional (a pretty prevelant theory) and then gets cut off; then the radio signal gets cut off the air until they get a backup. Even if this bit is a hoax or you think it's silly or w/ever, the whole episode is pretty good to listen to!

Many stories from callers match up with the others over the centuries and is a fun watch.

I actually heard this way back in the day, not sure if it was a re-run or from when it actually happened, since me and my friend listened to Coast to Coast late at night. Genuinely freaked the shit out of us back then.

 

[Draef the Badger]

If Aliens existed and had been here they would have already treated us the way we treat animals in the natural world this day and age. Thats all the proof needed.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

If Aliens existed and had been here they would have already treated us the way we treat animals in the natural world this day and age. Thats all the proof needed.

You base this thought on what exactly?

 

[buizel]

I actually heard this way back in the day, not sure if it was a re-run or from when it actually happened, since me and my friend listened to Coast to Coast late at night. Genuinely freaked the shit out of us back then.

Ya I watched the whole thing today; its from 1997 I believe. Pretty awesome; scared me a little bit and its like 20+ years old. The "FBI" caller who made sure the other guy was "taken care of"... it's pretty nuts. Read between the lines (even mildly) and it reads like the FBI/CIA guy was like "Oh yeh we just killed that guy, no problem. Thats what we do if stuff gets out that you dont need to know"

:|

If Aliens existed and had been here they would have already treated us the way we treat animals in the natural world this day and age. Thats all the proof needed.

They do though; according to reports. They trap humans, they kidnap humans, they experiment humans.

But most of them just observe us. Much like most humans just observe animals right? We don't all go out capturing them and testing on them. In fact I doubt anyone on this forum does that.

"Thats all the proof needed."

The entire POINT is that the PROOF has been hidden away for god knows how long!! Your "proof" is a theory, and one that has zero basis.

 

[Draef the Badger]

You base this thought on what exactly?

Stephen Hawking. He had an interesting view on Aliens. He believed its statistically likely they existed, but would not be benevolent. If you significantly out-tech another race enough for long-range space travel, why would they be benevolent? It would probably be akin to a Colonist vs Native scenario.

 

[buizel]

Stephen Hawking. He had an interesting view on Aliens. He believed its statistically likely they existed, but would not be benevolent. If you significantly out-tech another race enough for long-range space travel, why would they be benevolent? It would probably be akin to a Colonist vs Native scenario.

I guess many people believe various civilizations throughout the galaxy have had this tech for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years; so we're probably small fry.

Many professors and scientists theorize that aliens would be like us; some are friendly, some are not. Maybe the ones most commonly seen in the sky is an Alien Family coming to visit Earth on holiday; like theyre at a zoo or something, who knooows

 

[DeeDogg_]

This doesnt make bob lazar look good.

A shitty documentary that he didn’t make? I agree. How about listening to him speak unedited and without that bearded ass hat?

 

[Draef the Badger]

I guess many people believe various civilizations throughout the galaxy have had this tech for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years; so we're probably small fry.

Many professors and scientists theorize that aliens would be like us; some are friendly, some are not. Maybe the ones most commonly seen in the sky is an Alien Family coming to visit Earth on holiday; like theyre at a zoo or something, who knooows

So long as they don't come holding for whats golden.

 

[Coolwhhip]

A shitty documentary that he didn’t make? I agree. How about listening to him speak unedited and without that bearded ass hat?

He worked together with these con men, says enough to me.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I guess many people believe various civilizations throughout the galaxy have had this tech for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years; so we're probably small fry.

Many professors and scientists theorize that aliens would be like us; some are friendly, some are not. Maybe the ones most commonly seen in the sky is an Alien Family coming to visit Earth on holiday; like theyre at a zoo or something, who knooows

An "Alien Invasion" would be the biggest hoax and false flag event ever to occur in the history of human beings.