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[Alright]

Yeah alot of human technology impresses me but that's because I don't have any perspective other than what we can do. But I'm talking about laws of physics being broken in these cases. I understand radar can be fooled and that's true but when you have several radars bringing back the same data and pilots seeing these things zip off at speeds they can't even understand that's significant. Not only that radar returns seem to show similar speeds dating back many decades. It seems there's a cruising speed of about 4000 miles per hour and an ultra-fast "Let's get the fuck outta here" 50,000mph. And it's instant, no visible proposition, no acceleration, and can stop on a time. Human metals and humans would literally explode with that sort of speed and stop. So, in those cases it would need to be a 1940s hypersonic... drone. With metals, computer systems, and proposition completely unknown. 1940-50s.

The flare vid you posted looks cool, but its not similar to what I'm seeing at all. Especially that first and third video.

The speed thing got me thinking; how fast is a camera? Years ago, a car show called Top Gear (sorry if you know it already) did a test to see how fast they would need to travel in a car, in order to outrun the flash of a speed camera. IIRC it was ~180mph? I wonder if the instant acceleration, is just the craft moving faster than what the camera can process? Or, if that even a thing or possible?

Don't underestimate our materials though. I can't comment on what happened in the 40's, but if we take an average female pilot (I say female because males are less tolerant to G, both positive and negative, than women are. Nobody knows why, it just be dat way). Average female can pull 9.5 positive G before blacking out. The material can be made to withstand 35G, which is where the insane manoeuvrability of drones comes from. Add a SCRAM jet in there and while it's not instant 4000mph, it could pull speeds and turns that would blow our minds and look like a new tech.

I guess it's down to interpretation then. Your videos look like drones testing their flare, or flare like counter-measures. I don't know what drones would use as counter measures, as flares and flare dispensers are very heavy in relation to the weight of a drone. So i would imagine a smaller, more efficient tech would be used to achieve the same outcome

 

[Romulus]

The speed thing got me thinking; how fast is a camera? Years ago, a car show called Top Gear (sorry if you know it already) did a test to see how fast they would need to travel in a car, in order to outrun the flash of a speed camera. IIRC it was ~180mph? I wonder if the instant acceleration, is just the craft moving faster than what the camera can process? Or, if that even a thing or possible?

Don't underestimate our materials though. I can't comment on what happened in the 40's, but if we take an average female pilot (I say female because males are less tolerant to G, both positive and negative, than women are. Nobody knows why, it just be dat way). Average female can pull 9.5 positive G before blacking out. The material can be made to withstand 35G, which is where the insane manoeuvrability of drones comes from. Add a SCRAM jet in there and while it's not instant 4000mph, it could pull speeds and turns that would blow our minds and look like a new tech.

I guess it's down to interpretation then. Your videos look like drones testing their flare, or flare like counter-measures. I don't know what drones would use as counter measures, as flares and flare dispensers are very heavy in relation to the weight of a drone. So i would imagine a smaller, more efficient tech would be used to achieve the same outcome

The multiple radars that recorded the tictac on the Nimitz encounter pulled 5,000g at 45,000mph and instantly stopped. Those are radars not cameras.
Just going off your math there, we're talking about very different leagues of technology, also submersible and can travel to space.

 

[Alright]

The multiple radars that recorded the tictac on the Nimitz encounter pulled 5,000g at 45,000mph and instantly stopped. Those are radars not cameras.
Just going off your math there, we're talking about very different leagues of technology, also submersible and can travel to space.

I would have to see figures of 5000g because that's 200 times the surface gravity of our sun and, in my primative monkey brain, I would imagine that kind of force would have effects on its surroundings. Be it the air, ground or nearby objects.
RADAR waves travel at the speed of light, but we know we can fool RADAR and yes, if you fool one RADAR with X counter measures, it fools all of them in the same way.

 

[Romulus]

I would have to see figures of 5000g because that's 200 times the surface gravity of our sun and, in my primative monkey brain, I would imagine that kind of force would have effects on its surroundings. Be it the air, ground or nearby objects.
RADAR waves travel at the speed of light, but we know we can fool RADAR and yes, if you fool one RADAR with X counter measures, it fools all of them in the same way.

Well, they don't create sonic booms either according to the defense department, so that sort of falls in line with them operating outside our known laws of physics. Basically, every fighter pilot I've heard talking about them said the movements just did not make any sense. We're talking dozens of trained pilots.

Here's one of the studies.

(PDF) Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles in the 2004 Nimitz Encounter

PDF | A number of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

I don't understand how two radars could be fooled into tracking the same specific speed via countermeasures that also so happened to align with the pilot's estimate closely.

 

[V4skunk]

The speed thing got me thinking; how fast is a camera? Years ago, a car show called Top Gear (sorry if you know it already) did a test to see how fast they would need to travel in a car, in order to outrun the flash of a speed camera. IIRC it was ~180mph? I wonder if the instant acceleration, is just the craft moving faster than what the camera can process? Or, if that even a thing or possible?

Don't underestimate our materials though. I can't comment on what happened in the 40's, but if we take an average female pilot (I say female because males are less tolerant to G, both positive and negative, than women are. Nobody knows why, it just be dat way). Average female can pull 9.5 positive G before blacking out. The material can be made to withstand 35G, which is where the insane manoeuvrability of drones comes from. Add a SCRAM jet in there and while it's not instant 4000mph, it could pull speeds and turns that would blow our minds and look like a new tech.

I guess it's down to interpretation then. Your videos look like drones testing their flare, or flare like counter-measures. I don't know what drones would use as counter measures, as flares and flare dispensers are very heavy in relation to the weight of a drone. So i would imagine a smaller, more efficient tech would be used to achieve the same outcome

I disagree. A 35g turn isn't far away from a 9g turn.
When a ufo is accelerating to 14,000mph in a second the g force is orders of magnitude larger than 35g.

 

[zeomax]

Here's one of the studies.

(PDF) Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles in the 2004 Nimitz Encounter

PDF | A number of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

It has been already shown a dozen of times that the object in the video don't do any kind of acceleration, sudden moves or anything unusual.

 

[Romulus]

Head of research of UAPs from the Pentagon:

 

[Romulus]

It has been already shown a dozen of times that the object in the video don't do any kind of acceleration, sudden moves or anything unusual.

The vid is super short, nothing to see really. I was never concerned with the vid in the first place, not my point at all.

 

[zeomax]

The vid is super short, nothing to see really. I was never concerned with the vid in the first place, not my point at all.

All the 5,000g at 45,000mph claims are based on this video.

 

[Alright]

Well, they don't create sonic booms either according to the defense department, so that sort of falls in line with them operating outside our known laws of physics. Basically, every fighter pilot I've heard talking about them said the movements just did not make any sense. We're talking dozens of trained pilots.

Here's one of the studies.

(PDF) Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles in the 2004 Nimitz Encounter

PDF | A number of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

I don't understand how two radars could be fooled into tracking the same specific speed via countermeasures that also so happened to align with the pilot's estimate closely.

I can't get my head around that. To not cause a sonic boom would require instantaneous teleportation. Ignoring how much theoretical power that would require, why would they even fly around if they could teleport? A lot of the alien/ufo stuff falls down for me because advanced tech needs to adhere to basic reasoning.

I disagree. A 35g turn isn't far away from a 9g turn.
When a ufo is accelerating to 14,000mph in a second the g force is orders of magnitude larger than 35g.

35g is far away from 9g in reality.

What your talking about is ~200G and not outside of what we can achieve. Project Orion (1958. I wiki'd it to check the date) was looking at 100G+ for it's uncrewed launchers

 

[Romulus]

All the 5,000g at 45,000mph claims are based on this video.

No

Straight from the scientific study of the event:

We estimated the accelerations of UAVs relying
on (1) radar information from USS Princeton former Senior Chief Operations Specialist Kevin Day;
(2) eyewitness information from CDR David Fravor, commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41
and the other jet’s weapons system operator, LCDR Jim Slaight

 

[Romulus]

I can't get my head around that. To not cause a sonic boom would require instantaneous teleportation. Ignoring how much theoretical power that would require, why would they even fly around if they could teleport? A lot of the alien/ufo stuff falls down for me because advanced tech needs to adhere to basic reasoning.



35g is far away from 9g in reality.

What your talking about is ~200G and not outside of what we can achieve. Project Orion (1958. I wiki'd it to check the date) was looking at 100G+ for it's uncrewed launchers

That's kinda what I thought. There's a leap in tech, then there's this. I feel like what we're looking at is very confusing because it could be like 100 years or more ahead, some huge discovery or two that is so revolutionary that it makes modern science seem ancient and bewildering to us.
There's another vid of a UAP hitting the water with no splash or slowdown. You can literally see it dip beneath the water. There was also a scientific study done on that with "unknown" as the conclusion. Made no sense to the scientists.

 

[Alright]

That's kinda what I thought. There's a leap in tech, then there's this. I feel like what we're looking at is very confusing because it could be like 100 years or more ahead, some huge discovery or two that is so revolutionary that it makes modern science seem ancient and bewildering to us.

Maybe, but it could also be 100% pure-grade baloney.

There's two parts that i cannot swallow, in any way shape or form:

1) Why fly when you can teleport
2) There's no effect to the surroundings when pulling such manoeuvres

The only advanced tech on display here, is video editing skills IMO.

 

[Romulus]

Maybe, but it could also be 100% pure-grade baloney.

There's two parts that i cannot swallow, in any way shape or form:

1) Why fly when you can teleport
2) There's no effect to the surroundings when pulling such manoeuvres

The only advanced tech on display here, is video editing skills IMO.

Of course, you can't swallow it. Imagine taking someone from the 1920s in a ride inside an SR71. You could take the most brilliant open-minded scientists from the 1800s or early 1900s and it would absolutely flip them the fuck out that 3x the sound barrier at near-space altitude. They couldn't even conceive how it was done without days or weeks of explanation. And that's considering they're far more intelligent than both of us combined.

 

[zeomax]

No

Straight from the scientific study of the event:

Like i said all the crazy speeds and acceleration are based on this 30sec video.

From the PDF you posted.

Without detailed radar data, it is
not possible to know the acceleration of the UAVs as a function of time as they descended to the sea
surface.

 

[Romulus]

Like i said all the crazy speeds and acceleration are based on this 30sec video.

From the PDF you posted.

You can't read. How could they possibly estimate those speeds when the video it showed the UAV just cruising at slow speeds?

Read this again.

We estimated the accelerations of UAVs relying
on (1) radar information from USS Princeton former Senior Chief Operations Specialist Kevin Day;
(2) eyewitness information from CDR David Fravor, commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41
and the other jet’s weapons system operator, LCDR Jim Slaight

Nothing there about the video being used for those speeds of 5000gs etc. Nothing at all.

 

[Alright]

Of course, you can't swallow it. Imagine taking someone from the 1920s in a ride inside an SR71. You could take the most brilliant open-minded scientists from the 1800s or early 1900s and it would absolutely flip them the fuck out that 3x the sound barrier at near-space altitude. They couldn't even conceive how it was done without days or weeks of explanation. And that's considering they're far more intelligent than both of us combined.

Don't misunderstand. I can accept the concept of shit been way beyond our comprehension. Like i was saying earlier with the 1 billion year of evolution before we came about, there's a good chance 'something' is millions or billions of years ahead of us. I've not doubt your example would blow the minds of scientists

What we're saying here, is that the laws of the universe, as we know it, don't count for jack shit, because they can all be broken and ignored and we have that on tape! That opens up another problem that i can't swallow; in the grand scheme of things, if the universe was created, either by God or by the Big Bang, it would mean that God or physics, invented itself just to ignore itself. That then leads towards the Universe not only being aware of itself, but then why would it create something that it can just ignore? Why create it at all?

I have a simple mind and if complicated things can't pass the simple test, then i can't swallow it

 

[Romulus]

Don't misunderstand. I can accept the concept of shit been way beyond our comprehension. Like i was saying earlier with the 1 billion year of evolution before we came about, there's a good chance 'something' is millions or billions of years ahead of us. I've not doubt your example would blow the minds of scientists

What we're saying here, is that the laws of the universe, as we know it, don't count for jack shit, because they can all be broken and ignored and we have that on tape! That opens up another problem that i can't swallow; in the grand scheme of things, if the universe was created, either by God or by the Big Bang, it would mean that God or physics, invented itself just to ignore itself. That then leads towards the Universe not only being aware of itself, but then why would it create something that it can just ignore? Why create it at all?

I have a simple mind and if complicated things can't pass the simple test, then i can't swallow it

I think you just said it all. "Physics as we know it."

 

[Alright]

I think you just said all. "Physics as we know it."

Yep, we could be wrong, though its been, what, 400 years since Newton put in to 'laws' and maths what we have understood for millenia.

The only conceivable way that we could be 'wrong' about physics, is if physics is local to this part of the universe. And if it is, we're still correct in our knowledge of physics. It's just that, in a galaxy far, far away, their physics are different. When they come to our hood though, they need to obey the rules of the universe. You can go to the Amazon with your PHD in biology, but you'll still get the shits if you don't boil the water.

 

[zeomax]

You can't read. How could they possibly estimate those speeds when the video it showed the UAV just cruising at slow speeds?

Read this again.



Nothing there about the video being used for those speeds of 5000gs etc. Nothing at all.

We estimated the accelerations of UAVs relying

If you have data you don't estimate you calculate.

 

[Romulus]

If you have data you don't estimate you calculate.

First, you were saying the data was based on the video alone, now you're saying the data is just an estimate. Sounds like you're abandoning your first claim now and we're moving on?

 

[rofif]

Head of research of UAPs from the Pentagon:

when he says, that it can be "ours" technology... shouldn't US gov know about US gov development ?!

 

[zeomax]

First, you were saying the data was based on the video alone, now you're saying the data is just an estimate. Sounds like you're abandoning your first claim now and we're moving on?

No i was saying that in your PDF they do a lot of estimations. If they had actual radar data then it would't be necessary to estimate.

 

[Romulus]

No i was saying that in your PDF they do a lot of estimations. If they had actual radar data then it would't be necessary to estimate.

But before you said it was the video that they retrieved the data from now it's about the integrity of their study.

This is your exact quote:

Like i said all the crazy speeds and acceleration are based on this 30sec video.

That's flat out wrong. What you've done is shift the conversation away from your initial claim of the video being the main source of evidence(which is false) to now trying to undermine the study. Classic stuff.

Are you wanting to discuss the actual study now because you're obviously unfamiliar with that as well. A lot to unpack there that you also got wrong and I'm willing to clear up.

 

[zeomax]

I said that all the claims of 5000g and what ever you are constantly talking about are not based on actual data from a radar (stated in the PDF you have posted) but from estimations and eyewitnesses.
The Nimitz video is always used as evidence for the acceleration (also used in the PDF). I posted a video with an explanation what actually is happening in the Nimitz video (no suddenly acceleration)

 

[Romulus]

I said that all the claims of 5000g and what ever you are constantly talking about are not based on actual data from a radar (stated in the PDF you have posted) but from estimations and eyewitnesses.
The Nimitz video is always used as evidence for the acceleration (also used in the PDF). I posted an explanation what actually is happening in the Nimitz video (no crazy stuff)

You literally said the speed data was obtained from the video. I quoted and you can't get around it. The 5000g and 45000mph numbers you're so upset about have nothing to do with the video.

The radar data is based on the US Navy radar technician. It's not just some random eyewitness as much as you want it to be.

And I'm being baited into your deflection tactic here, but the reason it's an estimate for acceleration is that things like the mass of the ship and yes actual US military radar tracks are not available to the public(imagine that!) But then we just have to assume the pilots are radar technicians who are all in on a big hoax together, which is ridiculous. But hey anything is possible.

 

[zeomax]

You literally said the speed data was obtained from the video.

Yes i said that you and all the others UFO believers are obtaining this speed from the video and using this video as evidence. And i posted a video which shows why the claimed speeds are wrong.

but the reason it's an estimate for acceleration is that things like the mass of the ship and yes actual US military radar tracks are not available to the public

There is no data available to the public and the only evidence is "a guy said so"?

 

[Romulus]

Yes i said that you and all the others UFO believers are obtaining this speed from the video and using this video as evidence. And i posted a video which shows why the claimed speeds are wrong.

What you talking about? No one said that video has anything to do with those claimed speeds. Why would anyone think an F-18 can follow an object moving at mach 20+ when it can't even do close to that? You literally wouldn't even see that besides a blur and no one claimed otherwise.

 

[zeomax]

What you talking about? No one said that video has anything to do with those claimed speeds.

Have you actually read the file you have posted?

 

[Romulus]

Have you actually read the file you have posted?

Yeah, have you read your quotes? The 45,000mph number you're so upset about has nothing to so with the video. Again, not sure how you can't understand that. The video is too short and shows very little acceleration.

 

[Mattdaddy]

It has been already shown a dozen of times that the object in the video don't do any kind of acceleration, sudden moves or anything unusual.

I'm for sure no expert, I don't know what any of this shit means lol.

But one thing that seems weird to me about videos like this... why wouldn't the people involved or that investigated it originally bring this up too? I mean the pilots that were there, they know what all those numbers mean. Any engineer or investigator that analyzed the video for the gov't originally... they would have that knowledge and it seems logical that's one of the first things you would check is do the metrics being shown support the theory.

It's odd it would get through all these people who deal with these flight systems on a daily basis and they're like "we're stumped" if its as simple as putting math to the numbers shown on the display.

Again, I have no clue. That guy could totally be right. It just seems like a pretty obvious thing to check right off the bat unless the conclusion is that the pilots/gov't whoever else actually does know that and they're just intentionally spreading disinformation.

 

[Razvedka]

/

We explain a fundamental theory on how UAPs (UFOs) actually work, how they fly & move and why they have the capabilities that we observe them to have.

www.uaptheory.com

 

[Razvedka]

Multiple Destroyers Were Swarmed By Mysterious 'Drones' Off California Over Numerous Nights

The disturbing series of events during the summer of 2019 resulted in an investigation that made its way to the highest echelons of the Navy.

www.thedrive.com

 

[INC]

/

We explain a fundamental theory on how UAPs (UFOs) actually work, how they fly & move and why they have the capabilities that we observe them to have.

www.uaptheory.com

Nice read, the gif loops are a nice touch as well, especially the one where you can see the water splash round the object as it supposedly enters the water

 

[Razvedka]

Former intelligence chief: ‘Quite a few more’ UFOs detected than public knows - Washington Examiner

A former top intelligence official raised expectations on Friday for a forthcoming U.S. government disclosure on what it knows about UFOs.John Ratcliffe, who served as director of national intelligence under former President Donald Trump, was asked on Fox News by host Maria Bartiromo what he...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Razvedka]

 

[Razvedka]

Newly Uncovered NASA Reports Reveal Pilot Encounters with UFOs - The Debrief

An investigation by The Debrief has revealed reports filed with NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System detailing pilot encounters with UFOs.

thedebrief.org

 

[INC]

Well its either all true, or project blue beam is about to kick off and the NWO plan is going ahead

 

[Razvedka]

It has been already shown a dozen of times that the object in the video don't do any kind of acceleration, sudden moves or anything unusual.

I appreciate healthy skepticism, and service West renders. But I don't think alot if his explanations hold water, and neither do experts in respective fields he tries to weigh in on.




Seemingly even Raytheon, who made the camera, seem to believe what was seen is unusual and not easily explainable:

Navy pilots used Raytheon tech to track a strange UFO-Raytheon: The UFO Spotter

This Raytheon tech helped a secretive Pentagon program track a possible UFO.

www.raytheon.com

So the pilots, manufacturer, and technicians seem to agree what was caught in those videos constitutes a highly unusual, unidentifiable, phenomenon. Whatever that may be.


As an aside:


I'd suggest people go back and read that UAP Theory site I dropped earlier. I think that scientist accurately sums up the state of things where UAP are concerned and the FLIR videos specifically:

We used to be skeptics about UAPs before the Pentagon release, so we know this type of person very well and understand how they think. Skeptics see UAPs on the same level as believing in ghosts, so the possibility is not even an option to them and they will always come up with a mundane alternative. Even the official Pentagon videos get explained away as birds, flares, or airliners despite the Navy having exact radar tracking data of their motions, high-res videos of these encounters, and had experts with decades of experience look at them, yet they could not identify these objects. But a skeptic with only cut low-res videos somehow figures out a mundane explanation and then communicates that as a fact, which demonstrates bias and arrogance. This is how all evidence on UAPs that finds its way to the public gets knocked down.

Beyond this single video, people that have researched UAPs for 30+ years have reached out to us, saying that every credible account or footage they have ever seen or heard of exactly fits the observables predicted by this theory. These observables are very common with UAPs and always the same.

Militaries around the world are starting to order all their pilots to report UAP encounters (e.g. Japan did it in fall 2020) because the sensors that are now in use on ships have such a high fidelity that UAPs simply show up on the screen, performing speeds sometimes in excess of 100,000 mph. All of these militaries are taking this seriously as we are no longer talking about a strange light in the distance but actual 3D-radar tracking. Radar operators plainly see these objects and that is why we are starting to hear ever more accounts and details.

At a certain point, it becomes down right implausible or 'requiring more faith' to assert that these things are easily explainable in a way that does not actively consider advanced non-human intelligence. Because it makes us uncomfortable.

 

[Romulus]

At a certain point, it becomes down right implausible or 'requiring more faith' to assert that these things are easily explainable in a way that does not actively consider advanced non-human intelligence. Because it makes us uncomfortable.

It's the same type of people too, imo lower iq folks that are very uncomfortable with this. The same people that believe their country/race/religion etc is "the best." My thought is many modern humans still have some of that primitive tribal brain leftover, where anything that threatens their superiority needs to die or be suppressed as "bullshit."

Its gonna take years or decades to let them down gently from a psychological standpoint, if these objects turns out to be from outside our planet. Which at this point it seems they are slowly introducing us to this information.

I think most will be fine but you can't just suddenly release info like this. World economies are interconnected and many nations have strong religious beliefs that would not align with a superior race visiting us in advanced technology.(if that's the case) In some religions they might need to make "adjustments" to their scriptures etc to fit the narrative or outright deny the existence.

I can see huge movements arising that discount any further information about extraterrestrial visitors(once it gets more concrete) massive YouTube channel pushes similar to flat earth movement( but bigger) to help folks cope and collectively suppress anything from the world governments that these visitations are happening.

In all honesty, we might have to wait for all the people that grew up in the "ufo believers are wackos" era to die off before real discussions can be had after confirmation. Violent groups under the guise of a false government flag, that visitors are a "distraction" could arise even years after the scientific community embraces this knowledge. Could be another 10-20 years but I see debunker communities that are proven wrong taking this extremely hard and developing echo chambers that see all this as a big conspiracy and a real threat. Militas could even formed based partly by it. All speculation of course but once the evidence slowly starts mounding to the point where small brains are threatened, they will do whatever it takes to protect their bubble, subconsciously in most cases I would assume.

 

[GAMETA]

It's the same type of people too, imo lower iq folks that are very uncomfortable with this. The same people that believe their country/race/religion etc is "the best." My thought is many modern humans still have some of that primitive tribal brain leftover, where anything that threatens their superiority needs to die or be suppressed as "bullshit."

Its gonna take years or decades to let them down gently from a psychological standpoint, if these objects turns out to be from outside our planet. Which at this point it seems they are slowly introducing us to this information.

I think most will be fine but you can't just suddenly release info like this. World economies are interconnected and many nations have strong religious beliefs that would not align with a superior race visiting us in advanced technology.(if that's the case) In some religions they might need to make "adjustments" to their scriptures etc to fit the narrative or outright deny the existence.

I can see huge movements arising that discount any further information about extraterrestrial visitors(once it gets more concrete) massive YouTube channel pushes similar to flat earth movement( but bigger) to help folks cope and collectively suppress anything from the world governments that these visitations are happening.

In all honesty, we might have to wait for all the people that grew up in the "ufo believers are wackos" era to die off before real discussions can be had after confirmation. Violent groups under the guise of a false government flag, that visitors are a "distraction" could arise even years after the scientific community embraces this knowledge. Could be another 10-20 years but I see debunker communities that are proven wrong taking this extremely hard and developing echo chambers that see all this as a big conspiracy and a real threat. Militas could even formed based partly by it. All speculation of course but once the evidence slowly starts mounding to the point where small brains are threatened, they will do whatever it takes to protect their bubble, subconsciously in most cases I would assume.

Lol, the amount of stupid low IQ people that believe in aliens is humongous, my friend.

Have you actually seen the folks that go to conventions and stuff? What about those that buy bullshit courses and stuff about the Cabala, Intergalactic Federation and similar bs? What about those that believe in the stupidiest "evidence"?

LOL you gotta be kidding me.

The "faith" some of you have is just on par with religious people, same of flat earthers, anunaki, bigfoot...

 

[Romulus]

Lol, the amount of stupid low IQ people that believe in aliens is humongous, my friend.

Have you actually seen the folks that go to conventions and stuff? What about those that buy bullshit courses and stuff about the Cabala, Intergalactic Federation and similar bs? What about those that believe in the stupidiest "evidence"?

LOL you gotta be kidding me.

The "faith" some of you have is just on par with religious people, same of flat earthers, anunaki, bigfoot...

Of course there are dumb people on any side of an argument, that's not what I was getting at. Star Wars conventions, etc, that's just a thing that is known. People actually still believe WWF is real lol
You missed my entire point. My point was that "after" it was confirmed by world governments. I even made it very clear that nothing is set in stone either and it might not ever happen. I went out of my way to say so.

 

[Razvedka]

Lol, the amount of stupid low IQ people that believe in aliens is humongous, my friend.

Have you actually seen the folks that go to conventions and stuff? What about those that buy bullshit courses and stuff about the Cabala, Intergalactic Federation and similar bs? What about those that believe in the stupidiest "evidence"?

LOL you gotta be kidding me.

The "faith" some of you have is just on par with religious people, same of flat earthers, anunaki, bigfoot...

Everywhere man walks he erects cathedrals. It's in our blood to behave like this, regardless if the subject of faith is 'god', 'aliens' or even the active disbelief in higher power/god/religion/supernatural. Atheists are just as guilty of it as the rest of mankind.

 

[jufonuk]

Lol, the amount of stupid low IQ people that believe in aliens is humongous, my friend.

Have you actually seen the folks that go to conventions and stuff? What about those that buy bullshit courses and stuff about the Cabala, Intergalactic Federation and similar bs? What about those that believe in the stupidiest "evidence"?

LOL you gotta be kidding me.

The "faith" some of you have is just on par with religious people, same of flat earthers, anunaki, bigfoot...

 

[Romulus]

Interesting response. Wonder if he would have the same response if the "debris" was from another nation. Seems like his response would be very normal or nothing at all. "We have the enemies' craft in our possession." So fucking what in that case, it's significant yes but why are you responding in such a way that your answer could have huge implications? Maybe he's simply worried he could get in trouble? Maybe, but why even answer to it being a UFO in the first place. You can't identify if another human technology is even from this world? Are they literally that far ahead?

Pentagon head of UAV investigation

 

[GAMETA]

Everywhere man walks he erects cathedrals. It's in our blood to behave like this, regardless if the subject of faith is 'god', 'aliens' or even the active disbelief in higher power/god/religion/supernatural. Atheists are just as guilty of it as the rest of mankind.

I believe in a creator. I believe there's life out there too.

Doesn't mean I believe Moses split the oceans with his stick, or that Jesus was born out of a virgin, or that aliens traverse the universe to play hide and seek with us.

There are levels of what is plausible.

 

[jufonuk]

I believe in a creator. I believe there's life out there too.

Doesn't mean I believe Moses split the oceans with his stick, or that Jesus was born out of a virgin, or that aliens traverse the universe to play hide and seek with us.

There are levels of what is plausible.

 

[Kraz]

I think most will be fine but you can't just suddenly release info like this. World economies are interconnected and many nations have strong religious beliefs that would not align with a superior race visiting us in advanced technology.(if that's the case) In some religions they might need to make "adjustments" to their scriptures etc to fit the narrative or outright deny the existence.

The sowing of fear and fanaticism that has taken place to facilitate religious control during regular years would have a bounty harvest.

What a way to begin another Enlightenment.

stuff about the Cabala

What stuff about the Cabala was being referred to?

I read something about how thoughts and emotions co-exist in their own parallel reality of physical laws and lifeforms. That the brain is connected to inner senses that can perceive an interdimensional correspondence to object and created a coherent subjective experience. Sounded neoplatonic. Supposedly some guy built an interdimensional phone, but the MIB put a stop to that.

Still, if one guy could do it. It seems like the UFOs themselves are experiments.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Lol, the amount of stupid low IQ people that believe in aliens is humongous, my friend.

Have you actually seen the folks that go to conventions and stuff? What about those that buy bullshit courses and stuff about the Cabala, Intergalactic Federation and similar bs? What about those that believe in the stupidiest "evidence"?

LOL you gotta be kidding me.

The "faith" some of you have is just on par with religious people, same of flat earthers, anunaki, bigfoot...

Thank god we have the big brains out there like yourself to save us from all that. You're the smartest guy in the room. Thanks. I'll now give up on this silly UFO bs. I'm atheist now too. You're the best.

 

[GAMETA]

Thank god we have the big brains out there like yourself to save us from all that. You're the smartest guy in the room. Thanks. I'll now give up on this silly UFO bs. I'm atheist now too. You're the best.