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[Dlacy13g]

This announcement is more or less just an announcement of a reorganization of all the existing services with new names and some tweaks. If nothing else, it should help streamline the revenue streams for Sony but it's not earth-shattering news.

 

[Banjo64]

For me as well I’d definitely be saying the £99 option would include all of Destiny 2’s expansions and future expansions day one. I think that’d be a great hook to get people in.

 

[Skifi28]

At some point, it's going to be cheaper to make an emulator than ordering ancient cell chips for their datacenters. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like we've reached that point yet.

 

[Zeroing]

War inbound.
Quite frankly I do not care, the sudden all that it matters is who service is better/biggest install base. Non issue for me

I just want play games...

 

[sinnergy]

Analysts are so far removed from the world .. it’s scary .

 

[Topher]

Simply put, Sony doesn't see the strategic or financial benefit in investing in PS3 emulation.

 

[skit_data]

It was a pipe dream tbh.
I’ll just get PS+ Premium and I still have my PS3 for blu-rays and my physical PS3 collection.

 

[reksveks]

They will have to get a better than 60:20:20 to have a substancial increase in revenue.
Or attract more users that PSNow alone was not doing.

I was using some numbers based off comments on the gi biz articles, happy to quickly change it if you are interested

 

[Swift_Star]

It doesn't need to have... Sony games don't need to be put on a subscription to be sold or played, same as Nintendo games.
Analysts fail to understand this simple fact.

 

[Kagey K]

We gonna need a dedicated thread in communities to stop all this tiered PS+ thread clutter.

 

[Kerotan]

I'm sticking with regular ps plus which I'm subbed until 2027. I hate the gamepass model and won't be doing it on PlayStation.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

340 PS1, PS2, PSP and PS3 games combined seems rather low, even if you only cherry pick the top games.

Best case scenario would be 80 games available per classic console library, but its not likely going to be divided up evenly.

 

[mckmas8808]

There’s never going to be a day and date option as long as games are selling like hotcakes.

Maybe for live-service games. But that's all.

 

[wvnative]

Even bigger joke is needing a subscription to play PSone, PS2 and PSP games. Somehow I really doubt the emulator will be any good.

There is currently no evidence to suggest they aren't buyable individually.

 

[Neofire]

War inbound.
Quite frankly I do not care, the sudden all that it matters is who service is better/biggest install base. Non issue for me

I just want play games...

Sony has been doing just fine with releasing good games and people buying them. I think they will be just fine.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Even bigger joke is needing a subscription to play PSone, PS2 and PSP games. Somehow I really doubt the emulator will be any good.

This

 

[balls of snow]

So time limited demo. Could be cool for a holistic approach to the library and not just 1st party. That 5 hour cyberpunk demo is a good example and roped in a few people to buy in eventually.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

One of the reasons why Microsoft put first party games on Gamepass day one is because the majority of them just were not pulling in numbers like PlayStation and Nintendo games. When most of your first party offerings sell millions of units each time, you don’t need to put them on a subscription service because people are willing to pay good money for them.

Imho, putting Sony’s first party games would be crazy because I’m assuming they will lose a ton of money off them and I’m sure they are very expensive to create. Maybe they’ll come later, but day one wouldn’t make sense financially.

 

[Zeroing]

We gonna need a dedicated thread in communities to stop all this tiered PS+ thread clutter.

 

[kingfey]

One of the reasons why Microsoft put first party games on Gamepass day one is because the majority of them just were not pulling in numbers like PlayStation and Nintendo games. When most of your first party offerings sell millions of units each time, you don’t need to put them on a subscription service because people are willing to pay good money for them.

Imho, putting Sony’s first party games would be crazy because I’m assuming they will lose a ton of money off them and I’m sure their very expensive to create. Maybe they’ll come later, but day one wouldn’t make sense financially.

PS sales is due to userbase numbers.

Xbox has half of Ps userbase. Yet, Halo 5 sold 9.5m.
That is almost 19m copies, if they had Sony userbase.

Its not because their games don't sell well.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

Meh nothing really for me but good on those whove Been dying for ps, ps2, ps3 games to play. Also, anyone with half a brain would tell u this isn’t a competitor to gamepass lol, and the day 1 releases being on this services wouldn’t work, if you had a working brain with an ounce of common sense you’d know Sony are in no position to do that as they don’t have the luxury of Microsoft‘s monopoly of money.

 

[NickFire]

I would agree that it will not have the same pull as GP. I would disagree that it really matters in the grand scheme of things though. I've never heard anyone use their voice to tell me they were buying one of 3 consoles because of subscription options yet.

 

[IntentionalPun]

So time limited demo. Could be cool for a holistic approach to the library and not just 1st party. That 5 hour cyberpunk demo is a good example and roped in a few people to buy in eventually.

Yeah but they only want these for people paying $18 / month because I am pretty sure overall the industry sees demos as a negative for sales.

Targeting only those willing to pay the most, targets the wealthier gamers who aren't trying to squeeze value out of their console w/ demos and F2P games. Kids/teens/otherwise poor people are not allowed lol

 

[Hobbygaming]

I say good. The big budget games that Sony makes would see a reduction in funding if they were day one on a low cost service

 

[Raphael]

Analysts are so far removed from the world .. it’s scary .

What do you disagree here with? A similar service with day 1 releases will have a much easier time bringing in new customers.

I would agree that it will not have the same pull as GP. I would disagree that it really matters in the grand scheme of things though. I've never heard anyone use their voice to tell me they were buying one of 3 consoles because of subscription options yet.

I actually went with xbox due to game pass as it was way more value. Havw 2 friends who did the same. All 3 of us were ps4 last gen.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

For me as well I’d definitely be saying the £99 option would include all of Destiny 2’s expansions and future expansions day one. I think that’d be a great hook to get people in.

Yeaha bit of a no brainer. It'd benefit Destiny with how much of a mess it is trying to buy the right content when you come back from a break

 

[JaksGhost]

How many more threads about shit you guys have known and expected for months do you need. Create a support group.

 

[THE DUCK]

Been thinking about it, Sony can partially redeem themselves by announcing all 1st party games on second tier at 6 months. Then they can have thier cake and eat it too.

 

[CatLady]

We gonna need a dedicated thread in communities to stop all this tiered PS+ thread clutter.

I see what you did. My favorite post of the day.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Simply put, Sony doesn't see the strategic or financial benefit in investing in PS3 emulation.

Honestly the only reason to really want a PS3 is to play Metal Gear Solid 4. Is there any other AAA games locked on PS3 hardware? Konami needs to port that game already.

 

[Hobbygaming]

PS sales is due to userbase numbers.

Xbox has half of Ps userbase. Yet, Halo 5 sold 9.5m.
That is almost 19m copies, if they had Sony userbase.

Its not because their games don't sell well.

Not many others on the platform have sold like Halo 5 though

 

[TheGodfather07]

If it was easy, they would have done it already. Its disappointing but understandable. Nobody expected it but we were hoping. Downloads for the other legacy consoles is good though and hopefully Sony will allow individual purchases through the store eventually.

 

[NickFire]

Yeah but they only want these for people paying $18 / month because I am pretty sure overall the industry sees demos as a negative for sales.

I second this theory on how demos are viewed.

 

[kingfey]

Not many others on the platform have sold like Halo 5 though

Because the numbers make it that way.
4m on xbox is like 8m sales for PS.

 

[reksveks]

Yeah but they only want these for people paying $18 / month because I am pretty sure overall the industry sees demos as a negative for sales.

Targeting only those willing to pay the most, targets the wealthier gamers who aren't trying to squeeze value out of their console w/ demos and F2P games. Kids/teens/otherwise poor people are not allowed lol

Yeah, matt from the NPD group did say that aaa publishers generally don't like these demos.

I am interested to see how wide spread they actually are.

 

[Swift_Star]

I'm already seeing nonsense comparisons ITT. This discussion is already over.

 

[Papacheeks]

Did some quick whatifs on possible revenue increase.

Doing gods work,

thanks for actually contributing to the thread instead of just plain shitting on it.

Appreciate the actual effort you put in on sales threads as well. Regardless if I disagree with you or not.

 

[akaFullmetal]

I think Sony will be successful enough to pull more people from normal psplus to premium and will offer a fair amount of newer games from some being 1st day, some 3-6 months after release and so on. If it's worth it people will continue to sub and Sony will make way more money than what psnow is pulling in, which I assume they wanted that at least.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

It's true.

 

[bender]

While I understand and never expected day and date for 1st party titles as they sell too well to be included and it's always easier to walk something forward than walk something back, the new tiers are a weird proposition if you've been in Sony's ecosystem for a while. At least for me, I've played all of the 1st party back catalog I'm interested in which means the service will only be attractive based on the quality of the 3rd party offerings. And while the PSOne, PS2, PSP stuff has some interest to me, that tier is too expensive for my tastes. I think it would have been a better decision to only offer Extra/Premium in a single tier at $14.99 per month and then discount that for regions that aren't available for streaming.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Wait, PS+ is NOT as attractive as GamePass?!

 

[Topher]

Really? A subscription that has day one first party has more "pull" than a subscription that doesn't?

Well....

These guys get paid for this kind of analysis? Really?

 

[reksveks]

I would agree that it will not have the same pull as GP. I would disagree that it really matters in the grand scheme of things though. I've never heard anyone use their voice to tell me they were buying one of 3 consoles because of subscription options yet.

I would like to see constant and wide spread consumer behaviour surveys on this topic.

Suspect you would like to split out the audience.

 

[IntentionalPun]

For me as well I’d definitely be saying the £99 option would include all of Destiny 2’s expansions and future expansions day one. I think that’d be a great hook to get people in.

I doubt it since Jim Ryan sees Live service games as targeting folks who just want to play the one game.

I've been saying the same thing for months here; people misunderstand the relationship between GAAS and sub services.

They think Gamepass encouraged live service when it doesn't really make sense..

The industry sees live service games as a way to maximize profit off of gamers who like to get into one game, replacing the traditional MMO "monthly fee" model with DLC/battle passes/etc. that are near guarantees of recurring revenue. Their focus on that one game encourages them to buy game currency/whatever.

Game sub services on the other hand exist to satisfy gamers who want a variety of games. The polar opposite of really the concept of GAAS where you can kind of "fall behind" if you aren't focused on one/two games.

We'll see I guess. Not like Sony is jumping big into F2P or anything.. they still want people paying $70 for access to their GAAS games and then buying MTX/etc.. and are increasing playerbase by making them PC/console/mobile not "included in a sub."

 

[EverydayBeast]

PS Plus tiers is Sony acknowledging Game Pass.

 

[Bojanglez]

For me as well I’d definitely be saying the £99 option would include all of Destiny 2’s expansions and future expansions day one. I think that’d be a great hook to get people in.

Yeah I think this kind of thing may be the path (or it should). I have given up trying to keep up with all the various expansions and get pissed off that they remove content paid for, so including it in PS+ may make it more accessible in that sense.

 

[Astral Dog]

And it doesn't need to if their big hitters still sell millions on day one, that would mean burning too much money to 'compete' with Microsoft

 

[jshackles]

340 PS1, PS2, PSP and PS3 games combined seems rather low, even if you only cherry pick the top games.

Best case scenario would be 80 games available per classic console library, but its not likely going to be divided up evenly.

340 retro games probably means 300 PS3 games and 15 games each of PS1 and PS2, and 10 PSP games.

There are currently 418 PS3 games on Now. I'm guessing they'll slim that down by chucking out the cross gen PS3 / PS4 games or games that got remasters. But I bet that the lion's share of those games will be PS3.

 

[onesvenus]

On top of quality wise PlayStation has been more consistent.

I can agree with this. They are more consistent. Saying that Xbox don't have enough quality on their internal studios is what made me lol

 

[Plantoid]

I would agree that it will not have the same pull as GP. I would disagree that it really matters in the grand scheme of things though. I've never heard anyone use their voice to tell me they were buying one of 3 consoles because of subscription options yet.

Choose Xbox solely because of gamepass, was previously a PC player focused on MMOs