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[Keihart]

You can play the digital PS2 games available on tthe PS4 and PS5 digitally. Same will happen with PS1 games. If lucky (I wouldn't bet on itt), they may make the PS1 games crossbuy with the digital PSOne games available on PSP/Vita/PS3 ones.

Regarding being able to put your CD or DVD of PS1 or PS2 games I think it won't happen. But who knows, I thought the PS1 and PSP games were going to be for cloud gaming only and tthey will also be downloadable. Let's wait and see.

The PS2 Classics available on PS4/PS5 are sold as new games and not the legacy library from the old digital store (for example, i have Siren on PS3 but the PS4 one counts as a new sku, almost no tittles are available on the new store)
I have no access to any of the PS1, 2 or PSP games from the web store, i have to launch the barely functional PS3 or Vita store to dowload them and play them.

Are you new to the PS store? maybe that's why you seem so confused.
There hasn't been crossbuy support in a long ass time.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

He did? Ok. Link to the quote if you would. I haven't seen where he made that statement.

All I'm seeing is this:

"I know there's a lot of people that like to write [that] we're burning cash right now for some future pot of gold at the end. No. Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now as it sits. And it continues to grow."

Xbox Game Pass Isn't Burning Money, Claims Phil Spencer

Spencer claims Game Pass has been a “very, very sustainable” service for Microsoft.

www.gfinityesports.com

That isn't being explicit so you must mean some other quote.

That is quite explicit imo. How else would you interpret that sentence?

He also said:

"It's not the only focus of the organization, and it, as a standalone thing, is very sustainable as it sits today, like just today. It's sustainable."

 

[Pantz]

340 retro games probably means 300 PS3 games and 15 games each of PS1 and PS2, and 10 PSP games.

There are currently 418 PS3 games on Now. I'm guessing they'll slim that down by chucking out the cross gen PS3 / PS4 games or games that got remasters. But I bet that the lion's share of those games will be PS3.

Damn, I was thinking it would be worth it for an easy way to access some PS1/PS2/PSP games at least. Didn't realize they already had so many PS3 streaming games, which since they're streaming, = 0 PS3 games.

Let's see if they allow individual purchases for PS1/PS2/PSP games. They better have Crisis Core. Still might be worth it for me for a limited time, just lots of questions left to be answered.

 

[Topher]

That is quite explicit imo. How else would you interpret that sentence?

He also said:

"It's not the only focus of the organization, and it, as a standalone thing, is very sustainable as it sits today, like just today. It's sustainable."

Explicitly saying "Game Pass is not losing money" is saying "Game Pass is not losing money". That's what the word "explicit" means. If you have to "interpret that sentence" then that sentence is not explicit.

 

[IntentionalPun]

They are using the identical language Netflix did all those years before they now happily say they turn profit.

Netflix has reported a profit every quarter of the last decade.

I don't know where people get this BS about them not being profitable. Taking on debt does not take away from profits, until it has to be written down (paid for.)

 

[Panajev2001a]

There are emulators on the PC that run amazingly well off this very Zen/RDNA spec and a hair lower. But that also means they would have to do what MS did, and test game by game basis.

It all comes down to cost in the end (licensing, manpower, risk vs sales ratio, etc), however.

Sure, I am not saying it is impossible but not easy enough to do it on anything but PS3 based blades for now for one reason or another as a commercial product.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Netflix Will No Longer Borrow, Ending Its Run of Debt (Published 2021)

The streaming giant borrowed over $16 billion in less than a decade as it built out its content library. The strategy prompted criticism that the company was unsustainable.

www.nytimes.com

They will no longer borrow, they now turn profit. I bet you there is a borrowed subsidized budget set aside for Game Pass by MSFT themselves. After all, they need to burn that money otherwise get taxed to hell on it. So invest it into yourself when you're that big, it's a smarter way that giving it to Uncle Sam.

Netflix will consider buybacks as it returns to positive cash flow after 2021

Netflix said it will end a decade-long cash-burning narrative that worried skeptics but didn't faze Wall Street.

www.cnbc.com

Look, they even now say, "cashflow positive"

If they had to borrow money to run Gamepass, Phil Spencer wouldn't say that they're not burning money and that Gamepass on its own is already sustainable.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Netflix has reported a profit every quarter of the last decade.

I don't know where people get this BS about them not being profitable. Taking on debt does not take away from profits, until it has to be written down (paid for.)

Oh did they now?

Netflix’s Step One Was to Break Even, The Next Step is to Generate Massive Cash Flow - Entertainment Strategy Guy

When a Netflix earnings report comes out, it generates lots of news. Usually, though, they don’t claim the top spot in my most important story of the week, because not much really changes. This week, though, Netflix did make some news. So let’s make it… (Sign up for my newsletter to get my...

entertainmentstrategyguy.com

Breaking even for the first time since 2011.

 

[Bloobs]

 

[Lognor]

I don't do a lot of PS2 on it, but PS1 runs great. You can run a good selection of Gamecube and Dreamcast as well. The PS2/DC/GC gen stuff is YMMV depending on game, but it's coming along pretty nicely.

That's pretty awesome. I downloaded the emulator a while ago, but never actually used this. This looks great so I'm definitely going to load it up with roms! Can't believe the Xbox can do this while the PS5 can't

 

[Gone]

Rofl

What a joke.

 

[yurinka]

But you are ignoring the middle tier option that gives you downloadable part of PS Now for less money.

And more importantly, this tier is going to be available worldwide. Even the higher tier will have a cheaper cloud gaming free version for countries where PS Now wasn't available.

They will have an increase in subs worldwide from people who is interested on downloading hundreds of games. And they will get more revenue from existing Plus users who are ok with paying a few bucks per month more to get games.

So basically:

- PSPlus
- PSPlus + (PSNow - Streaming)
- PSPlus + PSNow + retro + demos?

And maybe some better games to download than current PSNow?

Yes. As examples they mentioned Returnal, GoW, Death Stranding, Spider Man, Spider Man Morales or Mortal Kombat 11.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Jim makes has more subbers and makes more money from subs than MS. With this new PS+ they will make even more money from subs.

MS isn't in a profit seeking mode. They're in the marketshare growth mode.

Their strategy is working.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Explicitly saying "Game Pass is not losing money" is saying "Game Pass is not losing money". That's what the word "explicit" means. If you have to "interpret that sentence" then that sentence is not explicit.

That's the thing, you don't have to interpret it. He said they're not burning money on Gamepass (aka subsidizing, aka loss leader strategy). Can't get much clearer than that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If they had to borrow money to run Gamepass, Phil Spencer wouldn't say that they're not burning money and that Gamepass on its own is already sustainable.

You clearly are not comprehending what I am telling you, and how big business sets up budgets and money they expect to "burn". The word burn is rhetorical.

 

[reinking]

If Netflix is anything to go by, and MS did say they wanted to be the "Netflix of gaming," they (Netflix) operated as a loss leader for years and years until their subscription base grew substantial enough and it was well over 100million before turning profit if I last recall. They also seem to go up in price practically yearly now.

It's a loss leader service playing the "long game." That is not rocket science or a trolling bash to say so. It's fucking logic.

These guys keep tossing Netflix of gaming around like it is a good thing. Go look and see what happened to Netflix once they left the loss leader phase. Increase subscription rates and now looking at other ways to cut corners by charging extra for account sharing.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

That's the thing, you don't have to interpret it. He said they're not burning money on Gamepass (aka subsidizing, aka loss leader strategy). Can't get much clearer than that.

Sustainability does not equal profit. He explicitly only mentions sustainability.

 

[DeepEnigma]

MS isn't in a profit seeking mode. They're in the marketshare growth mode.

Their strategy is working.

Exactly, why people take such offence to this is baffling.

The devil is in the details, and they want to be Netflix, they have to operate similar as Netflix's buildup.

Sustainability does not equal profit. He explicitly only mentions sustainability.

He chose that word on purpose.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Netflix has reported a profit every quarter of the last decade.

I don't know where people get this BS about them not being profitable. Taking on debt does not take away from profits, until it has to be written down (paid for.)

They're profitable on paper after some accounting mumbo jumbo. Their cash flow tells you another story though

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Sustainability does not equal profit. He explicitly only mentions sustainability.

Again, I was responding to someone who claimed that Microsoft is losing money on Gamepass. They aren't.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Oh did they now?

Netflix’s Step One Was to Break Even, The Next Step is to Generate Massive Cash Flow - Entertainment Strategy Guy

When a Netflix earnings report comes out, it generates lots of news. Usually, though, they don’t claim the top spot in my most important story of the week, because not much really changes. This week, though, Netflix did make some news. So let’s make it… (Sign up for my newsletter to get my...

entertainmentstrategyguy.com

Yes they have, they have posted positive net income every year since 2012 IIRC.

That is.. what profit is.

They also have taken on debt, beyond their profit.. which.. is rather normal for a growing business.. the reason the banks give the loans is they have no reason to think they can't be paid off w/ future profits.

So Netflix wasn't "cash flow positive" but that's completely different than "profit."

 

[FrankWza]

1st party games

only 20m bought gow of war

That just proves that people don’t buy a console for one game. That’s how you sell over 100 million consoles. Generation after generation.

If they had to borrow money to run Gamepass, Phil Spencer wouldn't say that they're not burning money and that Gamepass on its own is already sustainable.

they don’t need to borrow money to run gamepass because they’re funded my Microsoft. How do you think they paid for zeni and activision? Profits from the xbox one era?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Again, I was responding to someone who claimed that Microsoft is losing money on Gamepass. They aren't.

They are. They aren't making a profit. They would likely shout from the heavens like Deep said if they were.

 

[IntentionalPun]

They're profitable on paper after some accounting mumbo jumbo. Their cash flow tells you another story though

It's not accounting mumbo jumbo. You aren't even allowed to not annuitize investments in the US for instance, they are following the law.

And if you can secure credit to expand your business faster than the interest rates on the loans.. you take the loans.. and that's why the banks give the loans. And Netflix did that, rather easily really..

Really the "mumbo jumbo" is not understanding that taking on debt isn't some bad thing for a growing business.. it's a requirement to grow as quickly as Netflix did.

 

[DeepEnigma]

they don’t need to borrow money to run gamepass because they’re funded my Microsoft. How do you think they paid for zeni and activision? Profits from the xbox one era?

For real, lol.

 

[Topher]

That's the thing, you don't have to interpret it. He said they're not burning money on Gamepass (aka subsidizing, aka loss leader strategy). Can't get much clearer than that.

One post you are asking me how I interpret the sentence. The next post you are telling me I don't have to interpret the sentence. "Clarity"

sigh.....blondes

 

[Jim Ryan other Clone]

This threads are so entertaining, reading everyone shiting on the subscription services and the live service games but when there is the new bullshit coming they celebrate it, people expect a corporation targeting to make more money isn't doing what they were dreaming on their thoughts..... at least is funny too see the Sony side trying to spin and fold it 10 ways to make it look good and the Xbox side to make it look the worst thing in the multiverse. It's a service, if they have what you like you subscribe if not then you don't.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

They are.

Nope, Phil Spencer said the exact opposite.

They would likely shout from the heavens like Deep said if they were.

Microsoft doesn't comment on the profitability of its subdivisions, afaik.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's not accounting mumbo jumbo. You aren't even allowed to not annuitize investments in the US for instance, they are following the law.

And if you can secure credit to expand your business faster than the interest rates on the loans.. you take the loans.. and that's why the banks give the loans. And Netflix did that, rather easily really..

It is accounting mumbo jumbo. Accounting rules and legilsation make it easy to manipluate. Cash flow is what gives you a better representation of whether a company is bringing in more than they spend

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Nope, Phil Spencer said the exact opposite.

Microsoft doesn't comment on the profitability of its subdivisions, afaik.

Okay.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

One post you are asking me how I interpret the sentence. The next post you are telling me I don't have to interpret the sentence. "Clarity"

sigh.....blondes

I asked how you interpret the sentence because you apparently don't think it's an explicit statement. I think it is.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nope, Phil Spencer said the exact opposite.

Microsoft doesn't comment on the profitability of its subdivisions, afaik.

Lol if only you took the word of MS lawyers at face value like you do with Phil

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yes. As examples they mentioned Returnal, GoW, Death Stranding, Spider Man, Spider Man Morales or Mortal Kombat 11.

I already played God of War on PSNow a year ago.

It's really not anything new to get games a couple years down the road on PS Now... we'll see if stuff like Returnal (1 year old) is actually a trend or not but I have a feeling it's just the nature of them getting some PS5 games on the service.. the system is less than 2 years old so of course any games they bring will be.

I'm not seeing any commitment at all for them to actually improve the offering long term.

 

[adamsapple]

Does PS Now have the MGS HD collection games ? How does that work around the pressure sensitive buttons there ?

The Xbox port of that specific game just doesn't have pressure sensitive buttons, so some actions need other button combos (like slowly holding up guards without shooting).

 

[ManaByte]

As a person who subscribes to Live Gold and PS+.... this isn't true I can always find on many sites Plus between $27-40.

I wasn’t talking about PS+. I was talking about PS Now 12 month cards which you can only find on shady sites like G2A now.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It is accounting mumbo jumbo. Accounting rules and legilsation make it easy to manipluate. Cash flow is what gives you a better representation of whether a company is bringing in more than they spend

Legislation like requiring annuitization of investments is to make it HARDER to manipulate your numbers. Lots of companies would love to write down investments right away in years where there is an advantage for them tax wise for instance.

 

[Ellery]

I don't even have enough time to play so many games.

What I am mainly looking for here is the Playstation 1 games. There are like 4-5 I'd love to replay, but can't because of accesibility. So if those games are included (Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 1,2,3, Silent Hill, Parasite Eve, Dino Crisis) I might get a month of it every now and then.

 

[Topher]

I asked how you interpret the sentence because you apparently don't think it's an explicit statement. I think it is.

Do you think a business unit can lose money and still be sustainable?

 

[aliadiere25]

I hope the older PS1, PS2 and PS3 classics have Silent Hill and Final Fantasy 6. I doubt that they're going to give us those types of games.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Do you think a business unit can lose money and still be sustainable?

Sure, but that's not the case here, as Phil said.

 

[Jennings]

The tiered pricing, forced streaming selection, and walled game selection just screams "We really don't want to do this, but there's too much demand for similar services so we kinda have to throw players a bone to choke on!"

 

[Hinedorf]

I'm confused on this "stream to PC"....... what is this like their version of Stadia??? If so solid pass for me until I see performance

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'm confused on this "stream to PC"....... what is this like their version of Stadia??? If so solid pass for me until I see performance

PS now has had this already. I've never messed with it because I think streaming is useless.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Legislation like requiring annuitization of investments is to make it HARDER to manipulate your numbers. Lots of companies would love to write down investments right away in years where there is an advantage for them tax wise for instance.

I don't know what to tell you here. The numbers are in black and white. Netflix still spends more than they make. They're not a profitable company

 

[elliot5]

I'm confused on this "stream to PC"....... what is this like their version of Stadia??? If so solid pass for me until I see performance

There’s an existing PS NOW app on pc

 

[kingfey]

That just proves that people don’t buy a console for one game. That’s how you sell over 100 million consoles. Generation after generation.

That was my point to him. People buy consoles for other reason.
Be it popular, or 3rd party games. Not everyone will buy your exclusive games.

 

[Topher]

Sure, but that's not the case here, as Phil said.

Sustainable could be taking a manageable loss, breaking even, or even a slight profit. Since that is the word he used and you acknowledge it could imply a loss then it isn't explicit.

Definition of explicit​

1a: fully revealed or expressed without vagueness, implication, or ambiguity : leaving no question as to meaning or intent

Definition of EXPLICIT

fully revealed or expressed without vagueness, implication, or ambiguity : leaving no question as to meaning or intent; open in the depiction of nudity or sexuality; fully developed or formulated… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[John Wick]

So it's just a merge of PS Now and PS Plus with some additional old games?

This can't possibly be the much-hyped Spartacus? because Microsoft is gonna run over this like a fucking train.

Lol did you expect Sony to release their top franchises day one on this? Just like day and date with PC?
No they aren't. Sony are doing just fine as is. The service can be improved and tweaked.

 

[Hinedorf]

There’s an existing PS NOW app on pc

Yea I tried that for about 30 minutes, it's shit or at least my experience was, total letdown for me. Was hoping to see a legit PC option but I guess Sony plans to fail hard

 

[Topher]

Yea I tried that for about 30 minutes, it's shit or at least my experience was, total letdown for me. Was hoping to see a legit PC option but I guess Sony plans to fail hard

I don't think you are going to see much improvement on that front until Sony completes their move to Azure.