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All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with three flexible membership options
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What I took from the Jim Ryan interview with GI.biz is that Sony believes its single player "one and done" narrative games don't fit with a subscription model because they don't drive long term engagement, people would subscribe for a month to beat them and then unsubscribe until the next one comes out.
When Sony releases live service games I think we will absolutely see them day one in the PS+ catalogue. No extra subscription required.
When Sony releases live service games I think we will absolutely see them day one in the PS+ catalogue. No extra subscription required.
Papacheeks
Banned
Compared to what Sony has, outside of Forza, they seem to be lacking in a lot of their internal studios. And the ones that have put games out like Coalition, 343 either have studios issues or in case of Coalition dont have project management issues just creative issues in where to take IP.
Sony has been consistent with their output, their biggest issue is online Multiplayer for their games. But DLC for GHOST is a step in right direction while GT7 was a blunder that totally could have been avoided.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I guess they can't use the RPCS3, because licence staying that it can't be use for commercial purposes, I am 100% sure that PS5 could run it.
bender
What time is it?
That's my biggest worry and that part of the back catalog is really the only attractive thing about the service besides game trials. The pricing tier kind of spoils it for me anyway.
Any news on upgrade paths?
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
It’s a tier subscription world we live in now it’s Hulu, Hulu Plus etc. YouTube, YouTube Plus etc. Xbox live, xbox live with game pass etc. ps plus tiers will be a home run. Most subscribers by a lot in years, the classic games meshes with hardcore gamers. New releases is key to all of this, I’m interested in Spider-Man 2 PS Plus Day 1.
Riky
$MSFT
I presume we're allowed to compare the services in this thread then.
There are several things that GPU offers that this new service for some reason doesn't and it's not just the biggest one of day one first party games.
GPU gives you the PC versions.
GPU allows you to stream next gen only games to last gen consoles not capable of playing them natively.
GPU allows streaming to far more devices.
GPU allows native downloads for all games on next gen consoles.
There are just far more options that make it a better product.
There are several things that GPU offers that this new service for some reason doesn't and it's not just the biggest one of day one first party games.
GPU gives you the PC versions.
GPU allows you to stream next gen only games to last gen consoles not capable of playing them natively.
GPU allows streaming to far more devices.
GPU allows native downloads for all games on next gen consoles.
There are just far more options that make it a better product.
kingfey
Banned
I bought xbox one, because of gamepass. My purchase would have went to Switch, if it weren't for gamepass.
Sometimes, people want to play alot of games for cheap. And they will go to the console that does that.
Not everyone wants these console exclusives. Some people like 3rd party games. And want to play those games. So a service that offers those games for cheap, would be a must for these gamers.
Aenima
Member
As expected is just ps+ and ps now merged toguether. The middle tier offer the best of ps now but its cheaper than before if you had a ps+ and ps now sub. It becomes more expensive for ppl that just wanted PS now for streaming games though.
If thers a decent discount during black friday for the middle tier, then ill sub to that, if not ill keep just subbing to the lower tier.
If thers a decent discount during black friday for the middle tier, then ill sub to that, if not ill keep just subbing to the lower tier.
NickFire
Member
I framed my statement with "their voice" to refer to the non-enthusiast friends who are not on message boards. All I am saying is I haven't seen evidence that the masses have started picking consoles because of how they can obtain games, and unless that happens, I don't think subscription will matter in the grand scheme of market share.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Or for downloading games.
I've got years of PS+ I paid like $29.99 a month for on my account and twice have sub'd to PSnow for a month because my wife wanted to paly a game, which was totally independent from my PS+ sub.
Don't think that's an option anymore.
Not the end of the world, but the separate services actually offered their own "flexibility" that tiered services don't.
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Oddvintagechap
Member
Chukhopops
Member
I agree with you but tons of people were arguing otherwise in the other thread. Unless there are significant catalog changes I don’t see why this would move the needle more than PSNow did.Really? A subscription that has day one first party has more "pull" than a subscription that doesn't?
Well....
These guys get paid for this kind of analysis? Really?
Also it seems PC users of PSNow (if there are any) don’t get anything out of the deal since there’s no PS5 streaming.
Aenima
Member
Yup. Seems like this is a slight better se
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Plantoid
Member
Lolwut what about Netflix? Sub to watch 1 movie and then cancel?
on the contrary, why would you pay a subscription to play the same game over and over? Better to buy it straight away
If I only play cod, why pay 15 a month when I can buy it forever for 70? Your logic is flawed
kingfey
Banned
I am in front of you.
Only reason I am here, was because of Xbox buying bethesda. That is how I found this site.
Before that, I wasn't part of any forums. Or even know this forum exist.
I had gamepass on pc, and played it there. I had 2 choices of either Switch or Xbox. Gamepass changed that choice for me.
6 months later and Xbox buys bethesda. And the rest is history.
TheAssist
Member
Oh come on. 750 games for the price of 2 starbucks coffees a months is not "obscenely expansive"
When I was a kid and you would have told me I could have 750 games from 5 different console generations for less than my allowance...holy fucking shit.
What are we even complaining about here. It feels like people have lost all sense of value.
Since we dont know the games yet we cant really argue whether or not its to anyone personal liking of course, but saying its too expansive is just outright ridiculous.
I have gamepass for PC and pay 120€ per year. That gives me like 100 games right now? Am I'm still fine with that as long as the quality is alright. didnt even download a single first party MS game. Mostly smaller stuff that I might not have bought for 20 or 30 bucks otherwise.
Reading through some of this thread I wonder if thats the general tone about this or if its just typical internet forum entitlement, where everything should basically be free and publishers are supposed to give away games they spend over 100 million dollars on making them.
If you can still buy it, yeah.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's simple maths. Sony makes like $4b a year with network services. Game development cost is a small slice of that.
kingfey
Banned
Popular console is what people buy. And ps4 was the talk of the town.
If you want to brag about their 1st party games, you should know, that out of 120m consoles, only 20m bought gow of war on ps4.
Aside of Nintendo, no console sells their system based on 1st party.
Skifi28
Member
I wouldn't blame people for this, but the publishers/developers themselves. They've been devaluing their games for years now, training people that anything that isn't seemingly free is too expensive.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think that Extra tier will be attractive only being $100 a year and including 400 PS4/PS5 games to download. That's certainly a better deal, imo, than PS Now as it was.
I doubt there are many, but I imagine PS5 streaming is part of Sony's Azure cloud plans.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Nah bruh more like 300-400. Agee with your overall sentiment though.
We’ve also gone from £50 just for online play with both console manufacturers to now £99 and £120 a year for online and 100s and 100s of games. An extra £50-70 a year. Peanuts.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
adamsapple
and I already discussed it. Sustainability is probably the quote you are referring to. Even though you couldn't bring a receipt. Sustainability and profit are not the same. MS has never mentioned profit with gamepass. It's not "simple maths"
yurinka
Member
You can play the digital PS2 games available on tthe PS4 and PS5 digitally. Same will happen with PS1 games. If lucky (I wouldn't bet on itt), they may make the PS1 games crossbuy with the digital PSOne games available on PSP/Vita/PS3 ones.
Regarding being able to put your CD or DVD of PS1 or PS2 games I think it won't happen. But who knows, I thought the PS1 and PSP games were going to be for cloud gaming only and tthey will also be downloadable. Let's wait and see.
Jim makes has more subbers and makes more money from subs than MS. With this new PS+ they will make even more money from subs. Sony also dominates MS on hardware and software sales, plus also in total gaming revenue and profits.
Obviously Sony won't put all their AAA games on the subscription, because they want to have a fuck ton of revenue and profits because they are running a business, and to make AAA games isn't cheap so they need ttat revenue and profit.
He didn't say that. He said it's sustainable.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
I replied to someone saying Microsoft is losing money on Gamepass. Phil Spencer said the exact opposite of that. Simple.
Topher
Identifies as young
Wouldn't the "exact opposite" of saying "Microsoft is losing money on Gamepass" be "Microsoft is making a profit on Gamepass"?
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
No, he didn't. The exact opposite would be profit. Which they've never spoken of. The exact opposite of losing money is making it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If Netflix is anything to go by, and MS did say they wanted to be the "Netflix of gaming," they (Netflix) operated as a loss leader for years and years until their subscription base grew substantial enough and it was well over 100million before turning profit if I last recall. They also seem to go up in price practically yearly now.
It's a loss leader service playing the "long game." That is not rocket science or a trolling bash to say so. It's fucking logic.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
No, the exact opposite would be "Microsoft is not losing money on Gamepass", which is almost exactly what he said.
Topher
Identifies as young
Microsoft could be losing money on Game Pass and it still be sustainable so no, that's not what he said.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Microsoft could be losing money on Gamepass, but according to Phil Spencer, it isn't. He explicitly said that.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Exactamundo. I wonder what kind of numbers they need to finally make some money off it?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You can still operate as a "loss leader" if your company sets aside a certain budget to cover sunk cost and use the language "the service doesn't lose money." My goodness people, he would shout from the heavens with the word profit if it were so.
They are using the identical language Netflix did all those years before they now happily say they turn profit.
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Topher
Identifies as young
He did? Ok. Link to the quote if you would. I haven't seen where he made that statement.
All I'm seeing is this:
"I know there's a lot of people that like to write [that] we're burning cash right now for some future pot of gold at the end. No. Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now as it sits. And it continues to grow."
Xbox Game Pass Isn't Burning Money, Claims Phil Spencer
Spencer claims Game Pass has been a “very, very sustainable” service for Microsoft.
www.gfinityesports.com
That isn't being explicit so you must mean some other quote.
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Not sure if you're serious about the Netflix comparison but people do subscribe for a month to watch specific things then unsubscribe. Retention is a well known issue with TV subscriptions.
Why do people play the same game day in day out for months on end? I don't know but they do. If it's receiving content updates then people will pay a subscription for that content.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Sure, but that's not the case here, according to Phil.
Microsoft generally doesn't talk about the profitability of its subdivisions, afaik.
Do you have an example?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm confused why people seem to be wondering about included games.. they are just repeating for the most part existing PSNow numbers as far as what the game count is.
So if you want to know, you can find that info online.
I'm not seeing much of a commitment to really get 1st party super early or something.
So here you go for PS4 games:
psnowguide.com
So if you want to know, you can find that info online.
I'm not seeing much of a commitment to really get 1st party super early or something.
So here you go for PS4 games:
PS Now Downloadable Games - PS Plus Guide
Many PlayStation Now games are available to download. Almost all PS4 and PS2 games are downloadable, to play from your console with no latency issues.
psnowguide.com
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Netflix Will No Longer Borrow, Ending Its Run of Debt (Published 2021)
The streaming giant borrowed over $16 billion in less than a decade as it built out its content library. The strategy prompted criticism that the company was unsustainable.
They will no longer borrow, they now turn profit. I bet you there is a borrowed subsidized budget set aside for Game Pass by MSFT themselves. After all, they need to burn that money otherwise get taxed to hell on it. So invest it into yourself when you're that big, it's a smarter way that giving it to Uncle Sam.
Netflix will consider buybacks as it returns to positive cash flow after 2021
Netflix said it will end a decade-long cash-burning narrative that worried skeptics but didn't faze Wall Street.
www.cnbc.com
Look, they even now say, "cashflow positive"
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
He said just about the opposite about live service games.. they are subs in and themselves for gamers who focus on one game...
Gaming sub services are about variety.. GAAS is the opposite of that. GAAS is a way to get more money out of gamers who aren't big on variety.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm confused why people seem to be wondering about included games.. they are just repeating for the most part existing PSNow numbers as far as what the game count is.
So if you want to know, you can find that info online.
I'm not seeing much of a commitment to really get 1st party super early or something.
So here you go for PS4 games:
PS Now Downloadable Games - PS Plus Guide
Many PlayStation Now games are available to download. Almost all PS4 and PS2 games are downloadable, to play from your console with no latency issues.
Because Jim Ryan said there would be more news on this...
"More details to come on the games we’ll have on our new PlayStation Plus service. "
