2blackcats
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Yeah, heard this before. Pretty sure the PS4's app was updated recently for HDR though.
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All PS4 Pro enhanced games (native support and boosted)
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Yeah, heard this before. Pretty sure the PS4's app was updated recently for HDR though.
It was but it applies HDR for all content. Only way around that is by disabling HDR in the console settings if you don't plan to watch HDR content.
Hm...horrible? There are people who aren't bothered much by uneven framepacing. I'm fortunately one of them.
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Yes it's absolutely horrible. I've seen frame pacing issues and this game has one of the worst cases. The game looks like it's constantly running into frame rate issues. The smooth mode corrects most of these issues but you're stuck playing at 1080p.
Yeah this. Is this just a 'fault' with the PS4 app and is it just a Netflix thing? Other people in the house aren't going to know to manually disable HDR in the PS4 settings to get the correct tv settings for non HDR content in Netflix.
Yeah the frame pacing is noticeable in the souls or bloodborne games but nowhere near as bad as it is in FFXV.
The same problem also exists on the Xbox One S version, so for whatever reason Netflix has issues with HDR on consoles.
PsihoPerihelion
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I'll do it in a couple of hours. I just read your comment so I couldn't do it before. Is there any way to capture 60fps on PS4 besides YouTube?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Once you get used to the frame pacing though, the difference in visual quality becomes huge if you ever switch to any of the other options.
It's a real shame SE couldn't be bothered to put any effort in fixing the frame pacing issue.
I'm sure some could get used to it but I can't with how severe it is. No matter where I look on the screen, it's a stuttering mess. The lack of a good way to play on the Pro cause me to give the game back and now I'm waiting for the PC version.
LordOfChaos
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I havn't dug in here extensively but I got to wondering something, are there any examples of games that the Pro doesn't just have a resolution bump for, but also increase the FoV?
Once I noticed I couldn't un-notice how squishy Destiny 2 was on PS4.
Once I noticed I couldn't un-notice how squishy Destiny 2 was on PS4.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FOV ? Nothing I can think of but there are a bunch of games which increase other visual aspects like anistropic filtering, extra vegetation etc.
I don't think any Pro update changes FOV.
Toe-Knee
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No man's sky has a fov slider and there's another thats third person. Can't remember what it is though.
Liabe Brave
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As said, a rare few games have an FOV slider, and Pro should improve performance at the higher settings. Apart from that, no developer/publisher I know of has touted higher FOV as a set enhancement on Pro.
However, this is exactly the sort of thing that could also easily be unreported and overlooked. For most people the change would be subtle, and even if noticed might not be ascribed to the right cause. I must admit that possible changes of FOV hadn't occurred to me, and I haven't looked for them in any of the comparisons I've done in the last 10 months. They could be out there.
That said, they'd have to be relatively small bumps for me to have missed them in most cases, as I do attempt to compare duplicate shots when I can (though I'm certainly fallible). And the low sensitivity/concern of most players about FOV is a reason for most devs to focus improvements elsewhere.
PsihoPerihelion
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It does on Borderlands Collection. BL2 is choppy if you increase the FOV, while on the Pro there's no issues. I had to play it by default on the basic PS4 while on the Pro I can move the slider all the way up and no problem
PD: Sorry about the Attack on Titan video I promised. I've been quite busy.
Negotiator
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Any news about Pinball FX3?
PsihoPerihelion
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Here's the Attack on Titan gameplay I promised: https://youtu.be/hK8wJ4m95KQ
Sorry about the quality but is the best I can do. As you can see it doesn't run at 60.
I don't see any difference between the 2 other than the framepacong. Stable mode is a no brainer.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If you can't see the differences, that's more power to you but that doesn't mean there aren't prominent differences.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249739887&postcount=2544
The Xbox One S netflix app does it as well. Best to just use the tv app if you can.
Mr Moose
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On mine it does.
Rellik
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What is it with FIFA and display issues? The last FIFA I played had terrible overscan and they never fixed it.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Hey Liabe Brave sorry for not uploading these pics sooner but better late than never. I had taken a bunch of pics before realizing that they're all JPEGs. Hopefully that won't be a problem. Uploaded using abload.de
Dishonored - Death of the Outsider
Cheers!
Dishonored - Death of the Outsider
Cheers!
yes can confirm this... awesome game also!
Liabe Brave
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Indeed not. The lowest I could find was 34fps, and during most of the gameplay sequences it ran in the upper 40s. I'll make changes to the list details soon, thanks!
Thank you guys, much appreciated!
JPEGs are usually fine as long as they don't get resaved or recompressed. My thanks for providing these! I'm going to assume your Pro is hooked to a 1080p screen, because that's what these screenshots count as. This is what we'd expect if it's the same approach as Dishonored 2, with no downsampling. (If you have a 4K screen, that would mean that Death of the Outsider has no resolution bump at all on Pro.)
The Dear Leader
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Any word on Pro support for SteamWorld Dig 2 and Ruiner?
Liabe Brave
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Ruiner definitely does not have support, just Boost Mode framerate improvements. I haven't been able to track anything down one way or the other for SteamWorld Dig 2.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hey Liabe Brave sorry for not uploading these pics sooner but better late than never. I had taken a bunch of pics before realizing that they're all JPEGs. Hopefully that won't be a problem. Uploaded using abload.de
Dishonored - Death of the Outsider
Cheers!
Maybe it's the JPEG but these screens look way too soft for 1440p (unless Death of the Outsider reduced resolution).
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
PsihoPerihelion
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I'd say it's between 35 and 45 average.
Another correction I'd like to make is Arcania. There's some minor drops on some places, but I'd say it drops close to 50-55, so no big deal. The game stays at 60 more often than not.
Did you pixel count Ys VIII on Pro?
I downloaded the demo the other day and it looked super sharp. I'd say is 4K, but I'm not sure.
Liabe Brave
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Great, thanks! So it's likely the same setup as the main game (though that's not certain until we get shots from someone on a 4K screen).
Thanks for the Arcania info, I'll update. As for Ys VIII, yes I've examined multiple screenshots. Everything I've seen has been 1080p.
Interesting, the one shot I found a bit back was only 1080p. Any way you can upload some screens from the demo? Thanks again for all your help!
PsihoPerihelion
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Really? That's odd. I'm sure the game goes above 1080p. Are you sure those screens are from a 4K source? I can take screenshots from the game if you want. Same goes for Danganronpa. I own a 4K set so games lacking downsample should present no issues for me.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
https://twitter.com/gematsucom/status/901968446426148864
It's PS4 Pro enhanced that's for sure, but I couldn't find any confirmed details on what the enhancements are anywhere online.
60 FPS might be a bit too much to ask for.
In the OT people are saying its 60fps, but the 4k thing nobody confirmed
Liabe Brave
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I have seen screenshots that were definitely 4K. However, these were from previews and not the actual release, and could even potentially be publisher-provided. If you can get someone in the OT to post their own 4K shots, we could tell for sure.
I would be surprised if it had any TBH.
PsihoPerihelion
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Liabe Brave
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Prepare to be surprised.
Thanks so much! I wish every game produced screens that were this easily countable. Both Danganronpa V3 and Ys VIII are 1800p, with only a very little uncertainty. The buffer size for both (3200x1800) is pretty sure, and Dangonronpa seems to be standard rendering, but Ys VIII has a small twist. Some of its edges have dithery artifacting. Potentially, this could be due to checkerboard rendering. However, the patterns of the artifacts are not in a regular grid. Therefore, I don't think CBR is being used. Rather, I believe this is from temporal anti-aliasing, perhaps using jittered samples; the artifacts seem to repeat gnarly shapes at very small scale. This is speculative, though, and I can't rule out weird-looking CBR artifacting.
Note that DOF in the game seems to use quarter-resolution, so this can also give the impression of lower resolution than it's actually running. It's still fundamentally a remastered Vita game, and though the models and textures are actually noticeably improved from the original, limitations are visible all over the place.
In addition to these games, I made the changes discussed earlier to several supported and Boosted titles. I also expanded the checklist from the OP. There have been multiple smaller games recently which claim Pro enhancements, but for which good analysis material is very hard to find. If anyone can contribute anything on the games listed, I'd be most grateful.
Thanks so much, and let me know if you have any suggestions or comments.
PsihoPerihelion
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You are welcome! I know both games had enhancements. I've trained my eyes to recognize higher resolutions lol.
I noticed the strange patterns on Ys as well, which made me believe it was using some form of Checkerboard or Sparse rendering, that's why I wanted someone to pixel count the image. I was sure it wasn't near 1080p, but it also didn't look like 4K to me.
I'll check what other games from the list I can help you with by either taking screenshots or correcting the framerate.
One of my most wanted improvements for the next generation of consoles is that I'm really hoping that HDR implementation is there by default in every game. It can be so transformative for a game and they are becoming far more common but I'm surprised by how few games implement it as an option.
I know there's work involved in doing it well but I've always found a good HDR implementation to be far more transformative than a good 4K/CBR implementation. I know publishers like to boast about 4K I think people seeing a 1080p HDR game running in a games shop would have a far greater effect than seeing the same game running at 4K SDR. Obviously, it's not an either/or situation between 1080/HDR and 4K/SDR but I'm using that as a crude example.
I couldn't believe what a difference HDR made to WipEout on the PS4, people often comment on the HDR implementation of Uncharted, inFamous or R&C, and they are all fantastic, but none of them had as much of an effect on me as WipEout did. It really stood out for me.
I'd hope that all the bigger Christmas games this year will include HDR as standard and it will start to filter down to the smaller titles over the next year with both Xbox and PS4 both being HDR compatible.
I just can't imagine how good Spider-Man is going to look on the Pro after playing R&C. Seriously, I genuinely can't imagine how good that game will look.
I've always been a HDR fan but was holding off buying a 4K/HDR for another couple of years due to 4K/HDR being in a state of flux at the moment so I thought there were real benefits in holding out until things settled down somewhat and that the technology you'd get then compared to what you'd get for the same asking price now would such a massive step in quality. However, a friend was selling his Sony 49" X720E (EU) / X720E (USA) for £200 as he'd upgraded to a new set it seemed silly not to buy because the price meant it wasn't such a long-term investment as it would have been for the £800 RRP.
The isn't even rated as having particularly good HDR implementation according to rtings.com but it really has been absolutely transformative for me. Well worth the asking price and I wouldn't have any issues investing in a new set 2 or 3 years from now and moving this to the bedroom.
HDR is such a difficult thing to sell to people but I have a few friends with decent TVs and I'd always seen HDR as the real step forward in 4K TVs. I really can't explain how happy I am gaming on this TV, even though it isn't the best TV in the world and will be eclipsed in a couple of years.
I'm so fucking happy to be HDR enabled!! 😁
I know there's work involved in doing it well but I've always found a good HDR implementation to be far more transformative than a good 4K/CBR implementation. I know publishers like to boast about 4K I think people seeing a 1080p HDR game running in a games shop would have a far greater effect than seeing the same game running at 4K SDR. Obviously, it's not an either/or situation between 1080/HDR and 4K/SDR but I'm using that as a crude example.
I couldn't believe what a difference HDR made to WipEout on the PS4, people often comment on the HDR implementation of Uncharted, inFamous or R&C, and they are all fantastic, but none of them had as much of an effect on me as WipEout did. It really stood out for me.
I'd hope that all the bigger Christmas games this year will include HDR as standard and it will start to filter down to the smaller titles over the next year with both Xbox and PS4 both being HDR compatible.
I just can't imagine how good Spider-Man is going to look on the Pro after playing R&C. Seriously, I genuinely can't imagine how good that game will look.
I've always been a HDR fan but was holding off buying a 4K/HDR for another couple of years due to 4K/HDR being in a state of flux at the moment so I thought there were real benefits in holding out until things settled down somewhat and that the technology you'd get then compared to what you'd get for the same asking price now would such a massive step in quality. However, a friend was selling his Sony 49" X720E (EU) / X720E (USA) for £200 as he'd upgraded to a new set it seemed silly not to buy because the price meant it wasn't such a long-term investment as it would have been for the £800 RRP.
The isn't even rated as having particularly good HDR implementation according to rtings.com but it really has been absolutely transformative for me. Well worth the asking price and I wouldn't have any issues investing in a new set 2 or 3 years from now and moving this to the bedroom.
HDR is such a difficult thing to sell to people but I have a few friends with decent TVs and I'd always seen HDR as the real step forward in 4K TVs. I really can't explain how happy I am gaming on this TV, even though it isn't the best TV in the world and will be eclipsed in a couple of years.
I'm so fucking happy to be HDR enabled!! 😁