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[Jayjayhd34]

You’re acting as if Neil’s politics in his games are toxic sjw bullshit. So how was the fact that Ellie wasn’t sexualized bothersome to you? That was his ‘agenda’ in the first game. Please elaborate.

I wouldn't bother he already confessed to never even playing first game other than little bit then getting board he's just here rattle on about agendas that most people won't even notice...

 

[DForce]

This is exactly right. Imagine the game comes out and is 10/10 in every area. Would the anti sjw types change their arguments at all? Probably not. Because their complaints are all superficial and based off the identity of the characters.

I'm expecting to see a lot of salt. They're going to fade away if the game sales and reviews well. It's going to be even more salt if TLOU 2 wins GOTY.

 

[DForce]

There, that wasn’t so hard, was it?

And any context you create would be based on your own agenda, too, right?

Everyone has some sort of agenda, that doesn't mean everything is about pushing politics.

Kill Bill was co-created by Uma. What political message was forced on us?

 

[Jon Neu]

You’re acting as if Neil’s politics in his games are toxic sjw bullshit.

That’s the definiton of following the political agenda of someone like Anita Sarkeesian, yes.

So how was the fact that Ellie wasn’t sexualized bothersome to you?

I still haven’t recovered.

The fact that Ellie isn’t sexualized still wakes me up at night after all this years.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

I wouldn't bother he already confessed to never even playing first game other than little bit then getting board he's just here rattle on about agendas that most people won't even notice...

I just want him to give one example of how Ellie not being sexualized made the first game worse. Just a single example. That was Neil’s stated agenda and I don’t see how anyone can look at the finished work and have a problem with it.

 

[Jon Neu]

Everyone has some sort of agenda, that doesn't mean everything is about pushing politics.

Yeah, but in this case it literally is.

I mean, you all can damage control ad nauseam and say that the female Ghostbusters movie wasn’t about politics because we don’t have the creator of the movie saying so explicitly.

But in this case you don’t have that option (if you cared a little bit about objectivity, that is), because the creator of the game has explicitly said that his games have a political agenda based on third wave feminism.

There’s literally nothing to discuss about it. It’s a fact.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Yeah, but in this case it literally is.

I mean, you all can damage control ad nauseam and say that the female Ghostbusters movie wasn’t about politics because we don’t have the creator of the movie saying so explicitly.

But in this case you don’t have that option (if you cared a little bit about objectivity, that is), because the creator of the game has explicitly said that his games have a political agenda based on third wave feminism.

There’s literally nothing to discuss about it. It’s a fact.

Well it not about poltics that movie just fucking sucked end of poltics had nothing to do with that..

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Yeah, but in this case it literally is.

I mean, you all can damage control ad nauseam and say that the female Ghostbusters movie wasn’t about politics because we don’t have the creator of the movie saying so explicitly.

But in this case you don’t have that option (if you cared a little bit about objectivity, that is), because the creator of the game has explicitly said that his games have a political agenda based on third wave feminism.

There’s literally nothing to discuss about it. It’s a fact.

And it delivered us the first last of us. Which was an apolitical game and universally praised. So congrats?

 

[DForce]

Yeah, but in this case it literally is.

I mean, you all can damage control ad nauseam and say that the female Ghostbusters movie wasn’t about politics because we don’t have the creator of the movie saying so explicitly.

But in this case you don’t have that option (if you cared a little bit about objectivity, that is), because the creator of the game has explicitly said that his games have a political agenda based on third wave feminism.

There’s literally nothing to discuss about it. It’s a fact.

I'm talking about the STORY specifically. This is where you're getting lost.

Where's your proof that Joel was killed because he was a white male?

 

[Jon Neu]

I'm talking about the STORY specifically.

But I don’t care about what you “specifically” wanna talk so you can dodge the fact that the game is political by character design to begin with.

The story? I don’t know, we will see when the game comes out, but the presentation is filled with SJW fantasies.

Where's your proof that Joel was killed because he was a white male?

I don’t think he was killed for being a white male, but given the ideology of Cuckmann, it could easily be because of that.

 

[DForce]

But I don’t care about what you “specifically” wanna talk so you can dodge the fact that the game is political by character design to begin with.

The story? I don’t know, we will see when the game comes out, but the presentation is filled with SJW fantasies.

You have to care because you keep taking my words out of context. I'm talking plot points that people are saying it has a political message behind it.

If you're going to quote me, then pay attention to what I'm saying.

I don’t think he was killed for being a white male, but given the ideology of Cuckmann, it could easily be because of that.

Now you don't think? That means it's a theory based on nothing but an assumption.

Thanks for clarifying that. lol

 

[Woggleman]

Even if Neil did put politics in his games they are not extreme. Some people act like he had Ellie come out and give some feminist manifesto.

 

[Jon Neu]

You have to care because you keep taking my words out of context.

No, I’m literally saying that I don’t care about your deflections. It’s just that you don’t seem to grasp it.

I'm talking plot points that people are saying it has a political message behind it

So you recollect those quotes and use them as strawmans against me and want me to respond to them or otherwise the game isn’t political even when the creator himself says so?

And then you will complain because I don’t respond to them or I take your words “out of context”.

Now you don't think? That means it's a theory based on nothing but an assumption

Exactly. It’s an assumption, based on the proven facts of Neil ideology and his willingness to spread it into his games, but that particular aspect is an assumption.

You know what is not an assumption? The political agenda of Neil Cuckmann that he infuses into his games.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Even if Neil did put politics in his games they are not extreme. Some people act like he had Ellie come out and give some feminist manifesto.

Wasn't very feminist to make Ellie lot weaker than Joel while your playing as her but you would have to actually play the whole last of us to see that.

 

[Woggleman]

Wasn't very feminist to make Ellie lot weaker than Joel while your playing as her but you would have to actually play the whole last of us to see that.

It is realistic for a 14 year old girl to not be as strong as a hardened man. Ellie is more hardened in the second one but I am sure she is still not as strong.

 

[DForce]

No, I’m literally saying that I don’t care about your deflections. It’s just that you don’t seem to grasp it.



So you recollect those quotes and use them as strawmans against me and want me to respond to them or otherwise the game isn’t political even when the creator himself says so?

And then you will complain because I don’t respond to them or I take your words “out of context”.



Exactly. It’s an assumption, based on the proven facts of Neil ideology and his willingness to spread it into his games, but that particular aspect is an assumption.

You know what is not an assumption? The political agenda of Neil Cuckmann that he infuses into his games.

You always accuse people of deflecting. The fact is, you're having a hard time proving your point because it's purely based on assumptions.

I made 3 points today, if you can't show me proof to back up those claims, then I'm not going to sit here and waste my time with you.

 

[Saint Boot]

So which is worse: Joel being killed by a singlular woman(?) with a golf club, or Captain Kirk dying by having a bridge fall on him?

 

[Jon Neu]

Wasn't very feminist to make Ellie lot weaker than Joel while your playing as her but you would have to actually play the whole last of us to see that.

Imagine saying that a 13 year old little girl being not as strong as a big adult male isn’t very feminist.

I don’t know if that tells already so much about feminism as ideology, or about the damage control to deflect the fact that Neil has a political agenda.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Imagine saying that a 13 year old little girl being not as strong as a big adult male isn’t very feminist.

I don’t know if that tells already so much about feminism as ideology, or about the damage control to deflect the fact that Neil has a political agenda.

I think it clearly demonstrates how Neil can make decision objectively while having the beliefs he does have.

 

[Jon Neu]

The fact is, you're having a hard time proving your point because it's purely based on assumptions.

I already proved my point with facts. The game has a political agenda and no matter how many deflections you try to not acknowledge that fact, it’s still a fact.

I just entertain your diversions because I love to argue and I have soo much time to kill right now.

I made 3 points today

lol

You haven’t made a single valid point in the entire thread, dude.

 

[Strategize]

I already proved my point with facts. The game has a political agenda and no matter how many deflections you try to not acknowledge that fact, it’s still a fact.

I just entertain your diversions because I love to argue and I have soo much time to kill right now.



lol

You haven’t made a single valid point in the entire thread, dude.

Just admit seeing women with muscles makes you uncomfortable or some shit dude, so we can move on with this absolute shitshow on a argument. If you can't make a single argument as to why this actually has a detrimental effect on the story, yet are still banging on about it then you're making it very obvious you have your own agenda here, just come out and say it so we can move on.

 

[DForce]

I already proved my point with facts. The game has a political agenda and no matter how many deflections you try to not acknowledge that fact, it’s still a fact.

I just entertain your diversions because I love to argue and I have soo much time to kill right now.



lol

You haven’t made a single valid point in the entire thread, dude.

You accuse people of deflecting when you have no facts. Not going to waste my time again. lol

 

[Jon Neu]

If you can't make a single argument as to why this actually has a detrimental effect on the story

I think we should rename the thread as The eternal return, because I keep answering the same questions over and over and over again and we are all repeating the same shit for pages and pages.

It’s clear that some people just can’t accept the fact that the game has a political agenda and instead try to come with ridiculous gotcha arguments that they think somehow erase that fact from reality.

 

[Strategize]

I think we should rename the thread as The eternal return, because I keep answering the same questions over and over and over again and we are all repeating the same shit for pages and pages.

It’s clear that some people just can’t accept the fact that the game has a political agenda and instead try to come with ridiculous gotcha arguments that they think somehow erase that fact from reality.

Yes, the political agenda of...diversity. Now explain to me what's wrong with this and what makes it detrimental to this story.

 

[Jon Neu]

Yes, the political agenda of...diversity.

Well, at least you admit it.

 

[Strategize]

Well, at least you admit it.

Are you brainwashed or some shit?

You: "Diversity BAD"
People: Why's that?

You: "Diversity BAD"
People: Okay...but why?

You: "Because Diversity.........BAD"

Why do get the feeling we're like two posts away from you claiming us white men are all doomed?

 

[Jon Neu]

Are you brainwashed or some shit?

You seem to be the one who had a lobotomy that put you into damage control mode by default, ignoring everything around you.

That’s the only explanation as to why you invent something I have never said and keep asking me loaded questions that I have answered more than half a dozen of times in this thread alone.

Who’s going to be the next among you who is going to ask me the same dumb question again and claim that I don’t have an answer to it in a gotcha fashion?

Bu... bu... but you haven’t explained why having a lesbian is so bad!!1!

 

[OrionNebula]

So which is worse: Joel being killed by a singlular woman(?) with a golf club, or Captain Kirk dying by having a bridge fall on him?

Depends... did the bridge’s pal also spat on Kirk, after? I can’t recall...

 

[Strategize]

You seem to be the one who had a lobotomy that put you into damage control mode by default, ignoring everything around you.

That’s the only explanation as to why you invent something I have never said and keep asking me loaded questions that I have answered more than half a dozen of times in this thread alone.

Who’s going to be the next among you who is going to ask me the same dumb question again and claim that I don’t have an answer to it in a gotcha fashion?

Bu... bu... but you haven’t explained why having a lesbian is so bad!!1!

Sorry good sir, I must've hit my head and forgot everything. Could please explain to me what's so devilishly bad about this evil, terrible, monstrous agenda again in extremely high detail? Thanks.

 

[Jon Neu]

Sorry good sir, I must've hit my head and forgot everything. Could please explain to me what's so devilishly bad about this evil, terrible, monstrous agenda again in extremely high detail? Thanks.

Ok, I’m going to do it one more time.

In theory, having diversity isn’t something wrong at all. Videogames have had diversity since always and nobody cared, because it wasn’t used as a political weapon or as a mean of virtue signalling in the grand scheme of things.

But the identitarians that are obsessed with identity politics are puritans and dictators. Cuckmann himself dared to point at the work of other devs and say: this is wrong and what I’m doing is what should be done. His mentor, Anita Sarkeesian already did the same before, trying to cancel other people by threatening them with calling their games sexist and racist. And that’s because SJW are literally like religious fanatics, they want to spread the only true word no matter what, and that’s why Cuckmann said he had this “secret agenda” and that he wanted all the industry to follow him.

He is by no means an extremist himself (not yet, at least), but he is already playing the same game and using the same absolutist and toxic rhetoric.

That’s my opinion about SJW politics. Now, anybody can do the game they want and they are entitled to it. Cuckmann can do an Anita Sarkeesian game in which he saves the world by cutting all the male penises and it’s perfectly fine. If the graphics and the gameplay are good, I would play it.

But at the same time, I can also say that the game is filled with a toxic and cringe ideology.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Ok, I’m going to do it one more time.

In theory, having diversity isn’t something wrong at all. Videogames have had diversity since always and nobody cared, because it wasn’t used as a political weapon or as a mean of virtue signalling in the grand scheme of things.

But the identitarians that are obsessed with identity politics are puritans and dictators. Cuckmann himself dared to point at the work of other devs and say: this is wrong and what I’m doing is what should be done. His mentor, Anita Sarkeesian already did the same before, trying to cancel other people by threatening them with calling their games sexist and racist. And that’s because SJW are literally like religious fanatics, they want to spread the only true word no matter what, and that’s why Cuckmann said he had this “secret agenda” and that he wanted all the industry to follow him.

He is by no means an extremist himself (not yet, at least), but he is already playing the same game and using the same absolutist and toxic rhetoric.

That’s my opinion about SJW politics. Now, anybody can do the game they want and they are entitled to it. Cuckmann can do an Anita Sarkeesian game in which he saves the world by cutting all the male penises and it’s perfectly fine. If the graphics and the gameplay are good, I would play it.

But at the same time, I can also say that the game is filled with a toxic and cringe ideology.

Please outline how the first last of us was filled with toxic and cringe ideology. I’ve asked you several times but you keep ignoring which suggests to me that perhaps it’s your ideology that’s toxic and cringe.

 

[Strategize]

But at the same time, I can also say that the game is filled with a toxic and cringe ideology.

Which makes no sense considering the game itself isn't about identity politics, it just has diverse characters in it.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

But the identitarians that are obsessed with identity politics are puritans and dictators. Cuckmann himself dared to point at the work of other devs and say: this is wrong and what I’m doing is what should be done. His mentor, Anita Sarkeesian already did the same before, trying to cancel other people by threatening them with calling their games sexist and racist. And that’s because SJW are literally like religious fanatics, they want to spread the only true word no matter what, and that’s why Cuckmann said he had this “secret agenda” and that he wanted all the industry to follow him.

This experience has red pilled me af. I've learned that many of the anti-sjw types (I used to consider myself in this group) are just as concerned about identity as the left. Now, I think it's in reaction to the left because they are so intolerable. But I now see the reactionary right thru a very similar lens as the identitarians.

Why? Let's look at the complaints about tlou2. What are the complaints about abby? She's a muscular woman. That's an Identity based argument. And Joel can't die otherwise it's evidence of an sjw agenda. Like wtf? Joel should have died in the first game at the university. So now, prominent male characters are not allowed to die in the apocalypse because they are male. Another identity based argument. That's all the anti-sjw types have been ranting about. How do you not see you're playing the same game as the identitarians? The critiques are free of any substance and are based on the identity of the characters. Abby could be an awesome character that's well written with well reasoned motivations. Do you care if she's an awesome character? Nope. Since she's a muscular woman we need to tear her character and the game apart.

Cuckmann himself dared to point at the work of other devs and say: this is wrong and what I’m doing is what should be done.

Dude. You're critiquing Neil's work before it even comes out and you're a nobody. Neil's just offering his opinion. He isn't a king ordering dictates to the rest of the games development community.

His mentor, Anita Sarkeesian already did the same before, trying to cancel other people by threatening them with calling their games sexist and racist.

Funny. Cause I'm convinced the anti sjw types are hell bent on canceling tlou2. Encouraging others to cancel pre-orders and not to buy it. Daily rage vids on ND/TLOU2 from our favorite youtube influencers. Spamming spoilers, real and fake, everywhere. You can bet they will spam fake 1 star reviews on the first day they are able. I'm convinced this is a test for them to see how much power and influence they can have cause I've never seen such lengths to create an imaginary sjw boogeyman in my life.

 

[Strategize]

This experience has red pilled me af. I've learned that many of the anti-sjw types (I used to consider myself in this group) are just as concerned about identity as the left. Now, I think it's in reaction to the left because they are so intolerable. But I now see the reactionary right thru a very similar lens as the identitarians.

Why? Let's look at the complaints about tlou2. What are the complaints about abby? She's a muscular woman. That's an Identity based argument. And Joel can't die otherwise it's evidence of an sjw agenda. Like wtf? Joel should have died in the first game at the university. So now, prominent male characters are not allowed to die in the apocalypse because they are male. Another identity based argument. That's all the anti-sjw types have been ranting about. How do you not see you're playing the same game as the identitarians? The critiques are free of any substance and are based on the identity of the characters. Abby could be an awesome character that's well written with well reasoned motivations. Do you care if she's an awesome character? Nope. Since she's a muscular woman so we need to tear her character and the game apart.

Their arguments and reasoning are fake AF aswell. The entire reason they're going after Abby so hard is because they want to look like the "good guy" and "looking out for the true fans" meaning this is the best way to try and tear down the game.

People tried to use Ellie being gay back in E3 2018 to tear it down, but it never worked...Because it's Ellie, of course it won't work, the attachment is there and she's basically the star of the franchise. It's Joel aswell of course, but since Joel's entire character arc revolves around Ellie, you can't really relate to Joel without her.

But this new character? Well that might work considering nobody has an attachment to her since the game isn't even out. They've basically found the perfect excuse to tear this thing down like they've been wanting to do for years. Unfortunately for them the initial leaks are fake and Ellie doesn't actually die at the hands of Abby, and the game itself won't be buggy and suck like Mass Effect Andromeda, so most of the "damage" dealt can and most likely will be undone once reviews hit.

 

[Clear]

Funny. Cause I'm convinced the anti sjw types are hell bent on canceling tlou2. Encouraging others to cancel pre-orders and not to buy it. Daily rage vids on ND/TLOU2 from our favorite youtube influencers. Spamming spoilers, real and fake, everywhere. You can bet they will spam fake 1 star reviews on the first day they are able. I'm convinced this is a test for them to see how much power and influence they can have cause I've never seen such lengths to create an imaginary sjw boogeyman in my life.

Been saying this for awhile. The only difference between the two is that the SJW's are more effective at it thanks to their connections in the media.

 

[turtlepowa]

81 pages is too much. Was there something new the last 2 weeks or still only that shemale and golf clubbing stuff?

 

[Grinchy]

81 pages is too much. Was there something new the last 2 weeks or still only that shemale and golf clubbing stuff?

Nothing new, apparently. And if you're just annoyed by the idea that Neil ripped off MGS2's idea of making you play as a character you don't give a shit about, who also happens to be a weird looking She-Hulk for extra woke points, then you hate lesbians or something.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

Just like blacks have been copying white music and culture since forever. The blues was influenced by the English/Scottish/Irish folklore songs, the christian spiritual songs originated in Europe and the ballads and rimes from the XIV century. It wasn’t created in a vacuum of blackness.

I know it’s so progressive to claim that white people stole black music, but music evolved by everybody copying everybody, including the black spiritualists that would later become “bluesmen”.

Worst comment of the internet ... Da fukc

 

[Jon Neu]

which suggests to me that perhaps it’s your ideology that’s toxic and cringe.

Well, I’m a leftist.

I haven’t played The Last Of Us more than 15 minutes, by the way.

 

[Jon Neu]

Which makes no sense considering the game itself isn't about identity politics, it just has diverse characters in it.

I was talking about the hipothetical Anita Sarkeesian game.

But yes, Cuckmann games are about identity politics by the choice and the design of the characters already.

He outlined that train of thought pretty well in his conference and interviews. We have talked non stop about it but somehow you seem to keep ignoring them.

 

[Jon Neu]

This experience has red pilled me af. I've learned that many of the anti-sjw types (I used to consider myself in this group) are just as concerned about identity as the left.

Well, for soft SJW who try to appear as they are not SJW but they defend everything SJW like you and the rest of friends here like Clear, DForce, Strategize and the likes, the modus operandi is to claim that “anti-SJW” are the same as SJW but from the other side -which is funny, because a lot of people who critizice SJW are on the left, such as myself-.

But no, being critic against the identitarian politics doesn’t make you an identitarian. That’s just the typical fallacy anti anti-SJW fall for.

Why? Let's look at the complaints about tlou2

All the complaints are because there is an agenda. People don’t complain about a muscular woman (there are much more videogames with muscular women and nobody cared), people complain because that muscular woman is an obvious self masturbatory SJW trope the same way Nadine was.

The inmense majority of people don’t hate lesbians or women, people hate using lesbians or women and how they dress as a political weapon, as virtue signalling, as religious commandments in wich their way is the good one and the rest of ways are the evil and sexist ones.

Dude. You're critiquing Neil's work before it even comes out and you're a nobody. Neil's just offering his opinion. He isn't a king ordering dictates to the rest of the games development community

I haven’t critizice The Last Of Us 2 yet, actually I said it’s probably going to be one of the best games of this gen and that I can’t wait to play it.

I critiziced the agenda and not even that much, most of the time I just pointed out that Neil has an agenda while you and the rest of your friends started a shouting match claiming that there isn’t a political agenda, contradicting Neil himself.

And no, Neil it’s not just giving his opinion. He literally said that other characters designs are sexist. That’s not giving an opinion, that’s being a fanatic of a puritan religion called feminism and declaring as sin everything that doesn’t mold to the feminist worldview.

Funny. Cause I'm convinced the anti sjw types are hell bent on canceling tlou2

Funny. I’m probably one of the more excited to play the game in this thread.

By the way, choosing to not buy something isn’t cancelling.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Well, for soft SJW who try to appear as they are not SJW but they defend everything SJW like you and the rest of friends here like Clear, DForce, Strategize and the likes, the modus operandi is to claim that “anti-SJW” are the same as SJW but from the other side -which is funny, because a lot of people who critizice SJW are on the left, such as myself-.

But no, being critic against the identitarian politics doesn’t make you an identitarian. That’s just the typical fallacy anti anti-SJW fall for.



All the complaints are because there is an agenda. People don’t complain about a muscular woman (there are much more videogames with muscular women and nobody cared), people complain because that muscular woman is an obvious self masturbatory SJW trope the same way Nadine was.

The inmense majority of people don’t hate lesbians or women, people hate using lesbians or women and how they dress as a political weapon, as virtue signalling, as religious commandments in wich their way is the good one and the rest of ways are the evil and sexist ones.



I haven’t critizice The Last Of Us 2 yet, actually I said it’s probably going to be one of the best games of this gen and that I can’t wait to play it.

I critiziced the agenda and not even that much, most of the time I just pointed out that Neil has an agenda while you and the rest of your friends started a shouting match claiming that there isn’t a political agenda, contradicting Neil himself.

And no, Neil it’s not just giving his opinion. He literally said that other characters designs are sexist. That’s not giving an opinion, that’s being a fanatic of a puritan religion called feminism and declaring as sin everything that doesn’t mold to the feminist worldview.




Funny. I’m probably one of the more excited to play the game in this thread.

By the way, choosing to not buy something isn’t cancelling.

Who the hell trying to fool your excited to play a sequel to a game that you've played 15 minutes............................... ?

I think you crave attention more than Anita does

Also you do realise you can multi quote right ?

 

[Cleared_Hot]

If Abby isn't trans I'm guessing she'll have just been training hard for years and probably taking steroids or something so she'll be able to take out the man who killed her father. I wouldn't care if she was trans to be honest I just don't like that Joel gets taken out in the sequel, it's too soon!

That's got to be the dumbest plot idea ever though. I can't believe that's what they came up with. I thought all this time they were working on a brilliant plot that truly felt like a natural progression from where we left off.

 

[Jon Neu]

Who the hell trying to fool your excited to play a sequel to a game that you've played 15 minutes............................... ?

I haven’t played Uncharted 1 neither and very little of Uncharted 2 and 3.

And yet I loved Uncharted 4......................................

I think you crave attention more than Anita does

And I live rent free in your head, so thanks.

Also you do realise you can multi quote right ?

Sometimes it’s tedious to multiquote on a phone.

 

[Persian buttercup]

Well, for soft SJW who try to appear as they are not SJW but they defend everything SJW like you and the rest of friends here like Clear, DForce, Strategize and the likes, the modus operandi is to claim that “anti-SJW” are the same as SJW but from the other side -which is funny, because a lot of people who critizice SJW are on the left, such as myself-.

But no, being critic against the identitarian politics doesn’t make you an identitarian. That’s just the typical fallacy anti anti-SJW fall for.

You are obviously not a leftist

 

[Umbral]

There’s a lot of ignorance or dishonesty going on here. Prefer the ignorance, that can be corrected. I’m guessing it’s a lot of dishonesty though, which is reprehensible.

 

[pixelation]

Well, I won't be playing this edgelord shit (just read the spoilers).

 

[Jon Neu]

You are obviously not a leftist

All my life voting for Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya and turns out they are not leftists despite having it in their name and their political program.

Thanks to the SJW apologists of Gaf I’ve seen the light. If you critizice the SJW, you can’t be a leftist

 

[yeeeeeezy]

This guy beat it. He gives very light spoiler free commentary. Example:

“No one has “pieced the plot together” because I promise this: You cannot in hell duplicate this narrative and where everything will be and stand when credits roll.”

You guys, we aren’t ready for what’s coming

 

[DanielMann861]

This guy beat it. He gives very light spoiler free commentary. Example:

“No one has “pieced the plot together” because I promise this: You cannot in hell duplicate this narrative and where everything will be and stand when credits roll.”

You guys, we aren’t ready for what’s coming

I'll believe it when I see it, but by the sounds of that, he might as well be saying "subvert your expectations" which is what we've all gathered from the leaks anyways.

I don't know, everything about this screams Damage Control to me.

I'll wait and see, but yeah, I'm not gonna buy the game media's drooling hype machine either. They'd praise this game no matter what (they've all got a hard on for it as is)

Just look at how they gush over TLOU as is if it were the holy grail that forever changed gaming -- when all it really was if a solid if not derivative apocalyptic stealth game with enjoyable but not game changing stealth and a plot made up of every single apocalyptic trope you've seen in other mediums.

(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the original game, I just never got the "hype" surrounding it...it wasn't anywhere near as game changing loved to proclaim it)

I will wait for the final product to pass judgment...but right now? I could see it either being a dumpster fire, or maybe it does surprise us and is actually something special.