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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.

yeeeeeezy

Banned
I'll believe it when I see it, but by the sounds of that, he might as well be saying "subvert your expectations" which is what we've all gathered from the leaks anyways.

I don't know, everything about this screams Damage Control to me.

I'll wait and see, but yeah, I'm not gonna buy the game media's drooling hype machine either. They'd praise this game no matter what (they've all got a hard on for it as is)

Just look at how they gush over TLOU as is if it were the holy grail that forever changed gaming -- when all it really was if a solid if not derivative apocalyptic stealth game with enjoyable but not game changing stealth and a plot made up of every single apocalyptic trope you've seen in other mediums.

(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the original game, I just never got the "hype" surrounding it...it wasn't anywhere near as game changing loved to proclaim it)

I will wait for the final product to pass judgment...but right now? I could see it either being a dumpster fire, or maybe it does surprise us and is actually something special.
maybe he's a ND shill or employee. But there's no doubt he has the game. He posted a screen shot of ellie.
 
Oh I have no doubt he has the game...the media clearly has the game considering most of the big names are posting it for the world to see.

I just don't buy their hype. That line sounds like something that would have been said even if the game hadn't leaked. The whole "you are not ready for where this game takes you" is a line that probably would have been said even if it hadn't leaked based on where the game does clearly take us.

I am just skeptical as fuck about buying into the hype machine. I don't buy the media's hard on for this game and I think they're gonna be championing it resulting in damage control for ND.

I'll believe the hype when I see it for myself next month I guess. It could be either a dumpster fire or blow past all expectations. (shrugs) I don't know...will find out next month when i have the game in my own hands and play it for myself.
 
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yeeeeeezy

Banned
Oh I have no doubt he has the game...the media clearly has the game considering most of the big names are posting it for the world to see.

I just don't buy their hype. That line sounds like something that would have been said even if the game hadn't leaked. The whole "you are not ready for where this game takes you" is a line that probably would have been said even if it hadn't leaked based on where the game does clearly take us.

I am just skeptical as fuck about buying into the hype machine. I don't buy the media's hard on for this game and I think they're gonna be championing it resulting in damage control for ND.

I'll believe the hype when I see it for myself next month I guess. It could be either a dumpster fire or blow past all expectations. (shrugs) I don't know...will find out next month when i have the game in my own hands and play it for myself.
Ya I don't blame you. Wait until the game is out and decide for yourself. That's probably the smart thing to do. That's the best way not to get let down.

I'm getting hyped af tho lol
 

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CliffyB's Cock Holster


Fucking hilarious, these neo-GG twats are dogpiling this poor sap because he didn't bend the knee to their poutrage! Calling him "complicit" and stuff (!?!) You couldn't make it up...

And these dickheads wonder why the media continues to ignore them or treat them as alt-right pariahs..
 

Piku_Ringo

Banned
Fucking hilarious, these neo-GG twats are dogpiling this poor sap because he didn't bend the knee to their poutrage! Calling him "complicit" and stuff (!?!) You couldn't make it up...

And these dickheads wonder why the media continues to ignore them or treat them as alt-right pariahs..

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Lol at all these fake YouTube insiders in the comment section trying to change the narrative and make you think the leak isn't real. Keep crying kids. It's happening.
 

SaucyJack

Member
So having watched the state of play video, which was really good, my doubt levels regarding the leaks are much higher.

I always suspected that the leaks were presented in a manner designed to mislead, and whether they're from footage taken from final game or not, they represent as much of an agenda as Naughty Dog is accused of having.
 

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CliffyB's Cock Holster

Lets see if their bold strategy pays off Cotton...

I'm pretty confident than nobody who wasn't already onboard with this particular idiot narrative is going to be impressed or swayed by their antics or bone-headed rhetoric!

Hell, just the intersection with anti-SJW sentiment is enough that most "legit" outlets aren't going to touch this particular shit-pile with a 10 foot bargepole.
 

Piku_Ringo

Banned
Lets see if their bold strategy pays off Cotton...

I'm pretty confident than nobody who wasn't already onboard with this particular idiot narrative is going to be impressed or swayed by their antics or bone-headed rhetoric!

Hell, just the intersection with anti-SJW sentiment is enough that most "legit" outlets aren't going to touch this particular shit-pile with a 10 foot bargepole.
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yeeeeeezy

Banned
So having watched the state of play video, which was really good, my doubt levels regarding the leaks are much higher.

I always suspected that the leaks were presented in a manner designed to mislead, and whether they're from footage taken from final game or not, they represent as much of an agenda as Naughty Dog is accused of having.
People are underestimating how big this game really is. How big in scope the story is. Rumors of it lasting 30+ hrs. Neil and the dogs ain’t fucking with this one.
 
I know people seem to be upset about the SJW stuff or whatever, but is anyone else disappointed that the leaks and trailers indicate this is a "revenge" story? How fucking boring....

I'm waiting on reviews/impressions for this one; the gameplay looks pretty much the same to me. Nothing about the game's premise (so far) has me interested to jump back into this world. This is coming from someone who felt the original didn't need a sequel. I was hoping ND would make a new IP for end of gen like they did with TLOU, but here we are.
 

Grinchy

Banned

Yeah there are still people who use the 2017 promo shots to say, "See! Her body isn't that unusual looking!"

Even that comparison doesn't seem to show how ridiculously muscular she was in the leaks. I'd post an image, but Sony has DMCA'd every one I had in my image hosting account already.
 

Falcs

Banned
Why is he getting called cuckman?
The term cuck when used in this context usually refers to a man who is considered weak and/or inadequate and so therefore he feels the desperate need to project how virtuous he is in hopes that it will acquire him pussy.

A lot of the time, men who are like this are trying to overcompensate or perhaps hide something about themselves.


"Look how virtuous I am!
I made a game about a lesbian WAMMAN, who has lesbian kissing scenes!
Wow! Much progressive! So representation!

And because it's so SEXIST to have sexy, attractive female characters, I made Ellie who used to be cute, really ugly, and now I have a main FEMALE character who looks like a body building man. Because women are strong!!

Aren't I so progressive?!
I'm not at all sexist or misogynistic or racist. How can I be when I make such a progressive game like this? Huh? Huuh?! Right?? May I have all the vaginas now pls?"


He is essentially doing this with his game:
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Jon Neu

Banned
I know people seem to be upset about the SJW stuff or whatever, but is anyone else disappointed that the leaks and trailers indicate this is a "revenge" story? How fucking boring....

The last gameplay showed certainly paves the way for the subverting of expectations twist in which Ellie is seen as the villain and the cycle of revenge theme.
 

Doczu

Member
Well, Abby surely used her time well, she made some serious muscle in the last 3 years.
Should change the title to "Most of Us", as most of us ain't so defined and are jelly of her gains.

And it's always nice to see when the big boys turn the comments and like/dislike off. Probably wouldn't want to see how many people are pissed.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Here's my continued conversation from the non-spoiler thread.

Of course, everyone wants to claim everything has a purpose of pushing an agenda, so i'll look at this thing from the more accurate point of view.


It's not the first conversation she hears.

Woman: Did you find her yet?
Ellie: Shit.
Man: She escaped when no one was looking.
Man: We're searching the area just in case she's still around.
Woman: Issac is not happy about it.
Man: No shit
Ellie: Escape? Who the fuck are they talking about?


You heard this after the Asian woman was killed



The conversation continues with the them talking about Issac and the Scars.


I think you're too focused on her saying "dating" and "my girl" because you believe the purpose of this conversation is to push an agenda.

They're giving you details about what's happening in the story. If this had no purpose, Ellie would have remained silent, but no, she says, "Who the fuck are they talking about?"

I saw the spoilers and after hearing them talk, I said to myself, "Oh, so that's what's going on."

I think people will see what I mean after playing the game.


Part of Ellie's story takes place at the exact same time as Abby's. This was the conversation happens while Ellie is in the water.

Woman: Did you find her yet?
Ellie: Shit.
Man: She escaped when no one was looking.
Man: We're searching the area just in case she's still around.
Woman: Issac is not happy about it.
Man: No shit
Ellie: Escape? Who the fuck are they talking about?


Either she escaped or she helped someone escape from the WLF.

The point people are talking about in another thread is right here.

Man: 'Word is we're almost wrapped up'
Woman: 'Good, I got my girl waiting for me at the *something*'
man: 'Are you shitting me? They put you with Jordan'
Woman: 'Ah, we get the job done.'
Man: 'tss, I bet you do, ... Oh, this is not fair'
Woman: 'I'm telling you, man, date a soldier, it makes these shifts soooo much easier'
Man: (laughs) 'sure, I'll keep that in mind'.

Later they both talk about Issac and the Scars.

People on the other thread believe this part of the dialog is trying to show us the fact that there's lesbians within the WLF.

I clearly don't see it that way.

1. They mention two people by name and we're either going to encounter them later while playing as Ellie or as Abby.

2. "Dating a solider makes shifts easier" - We know Abby is dating another soldier and Jordan is one of the main characters within the WLF.

3. The soldiers talk about Issac wanting to go after the Scars again. This probably happens again and Abby is captured by the Seraphites as shown in the 2017 PGW trailer.
 

THEAP99

Banned
I have a strong feeling that she will end up being the best/most intriguing character from this game.
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Also, this is the end credit song as heard from the Russian dude's story:
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
I know leaks are going to start coming out within a week once people start getting their hands on the game. I'm going to try avoiding them as much as possible. I still want to be surprised about what takes place in the game.
 

Soulsdark

Member
So having watched the state of play video, which was really good, my doubt levels regarding the leaks are much higher.

I always suspected that the leaks were presented in a manner designed to mislead, and whether they're from footage taken from final game or not, they represent as much of an agenda as Naughty Dog is accused of having.

I feel the exact opposite about it lol.
I didn't have any real opinion before but after I watched the gameplay footage I just thought that it looked boring and like a fancier Assassin's Creed.
I dunno exactly how later Assassin's Creed games play, I only played the first one. But what I mean is that you're basically more or less just pressing a button and watching kill cinematics happen. I am really not a fan of clunky movement and controls either, but that's just something that plagues all of these '' cinematic experiences ''.
I feel the same about Ghosts of the samurai guy too, the gameplay just looks incredibly boring and tedious and like you'll just sit through the same animations and get bored.

In the end of the day gameplay isn't the main reason why people play these games, but I think that much like in Mortal Kombat people just see a bunch of gorey kills and they forget about the actual gameplay part.
I don't think that games need to sacrifice the fun of gameplay so much just to '' be serious ''.
 

ksdixon

Member
Chatting with a friend about the graphics... Does anyone have quick access to the TLOU1 Ellie and TLOU2 Ellie flashback to TLOU1 scene face comparison?

and Abbey's arm changes from 2017 to 2020?
 

ksdixon

Member
My friend's worked-out why Ellie looks so messed-up, facially. Especially when comparing the TLOU1 model to the TLOU2 model in the flashback scene.

TLOU2 Ellie is based on Maisie Williams, whom they wanted to play Ellie in TLOU movie whilst the game was in production.

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PanzerAzel

Member
My friend's worked-out why Ellie looks so messed-up, facially. Especially when comparing the TLOU1 model to the TLOU2 model in the flashback scene.

TLOU2 Ellie is based on Maisie Williams, whom they wanted to play Ellie in TLOU movie whilst the game was in production.

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There’s just something.....off about TLoU II’s Ellie. The eyes aren’t right. It feels like an adult’s face has been placed on a child’s body.
 

SUPERGGK

Member
I feel that after giving us the ending of the first game, where both characters survived in this harsh and brutal world, killing one of them was the only option left for them while making the second game. Perhaps they should have told a different story of some different characters, but I guess they wanted to use the original characters to make it more impactful. The first game was a redemption arc for Joel so his story was complete and after seeing that Ellie is all grown up now, I feel that they must have spent some quality time together that we are going to see as flashbacks. And I guess they needed some powerful motivation or reason for Ellie to go on a murderous rampage through this harsh world again, so Joel had to die. I mean have you seen the latest gameplay footage. She is like a one woman army, hunting and killing with no mercy, no provocation, she is even burning dogs alive for God's sake. She is the hunter now, raking in all those kills. But instead of feeling guilty or hating her for all this, we feel that it's justified as they killed Joel. And so Joel had to die in such a disrespectful manner so that we feel justified while killing these folks and their dogs. Had Joel died in a more respectful manner, I don't think we would have been so angry at them and the whole story would have fallen apart, as people would have found Ellie's behavior despicable and wrong. But now it's all justified as these bastards have killed my man Joel and spit on his dead body, so for this they will burn.

Now regarding Abbey, I just want to say that while I will hate her for killing Joel, I will also say that she is justified in her actions, as throughout this whole game Ellie is doing the same thing. Trying to hunt down and kill the murderer of her father. So in a way both characters are going through the same emotions and maybe this is the intention of the developers to show that how similar these two girls are in a way. And frankly I believe that a few cutscenes are not enough to judge the story of a Naughty Gods game. It's all about the moment to moment gameplay scenarios and also the beautiful dialogues and interaction between the characters. And finally its Naughty Gods, they have created some of the best games I have ever played. So I am going to give this game a fair chance and I am still hyped about it.
 

TheWisp

Member
My friend's worked-out why Ellie looks so messed-up, facially. Especially when comparing the TLOU1 model to the TLOU2 model in the flashback scene.

TLOU2 Ellie is based on Maisie Williams, whom they wanted to play Ellie in TLOU movie whilst the game was in production.

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Wow is that second image supposed to be the same cutscene as the 1st but with the new graphics? oh god if yes.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
My friend's worked-out why Ellie looks so messed-up, facially. Especially when comparing the TLOU1 model to the TLOU2 model in the flashback scene.

TLOU2 Ellie is based on Maisie Williams, whom they wanted to play Ellie in TLOU movie whilst the game was in production.

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Both LoU1 and 2 heads look nothing like Maisie Williams.
 

Jbomb19

Member
Thats because the first one was loosely based on Ellen Page. The second ones eyes somewhat.resemble Maisie
Fun fact: those are Ashley’s Johnson’s eyes. In some panel ND talked about how they took Ashley’s facial features and combined it with Ellie for TLOU2.
 
I always thought Ellie had a slight resemblance to Ashley Johnson, she does even more so now. She's never looked anything like Maisie Williams
 
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