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[DarkFlow]

No.... that means 40k get the prophylaxis treatment. It's done as a precaution because it's so effective and it's difficult to find and then test the animal suspected of the bite. That doesn't mean 40k people actually have the disease. That number is 1-2 per year.

You're talking to a wall. I almost think we've found Barnaby Joyce's Gaf account.

 

[USC-fan]

There is an extradition treaty between the 2 countries.

yeah for real crimes. Not this made up BS.

She’s required to face a preliminary hearing before a Judge on Sept. 7, but if she refuses to go, the U.S. government is under no obligation to arrest and force her to return for the hearing.

Depp does not face charges, because Heard is the legal owner of the dogs.

As it turns out, the two countries have an extensive extradition treaty that requires either nation to forceably return citizens to face charges for a range of crimes, from murder, rape and robbery to financial crimes and frauds. But Heard’s offenses are not specifically mentioned.

There is one general “catch all” provision in the treaty that mandates extradition “for any other offences that are made extraditable under the extradition laws of Australia and which are felonies under the laws of the United States of America.”

Even if Heard’s charges are covered, should would still be saved from extradition because her crime is not a felony in the United States. Individual states also have restrictions on importing pets, but, again, violations are not felonies.

 

[old manatee]

Why can't she board it?

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

No.... that means 40k get the prophylaxis treatment. It's done as a precaution because it's so effective and it's difficult to find and then test the animal suspected of the bite. That doesn't mean 40k people are actually diagnosed. That number is 1-2 per year.

So you're happy having 40,000 people receive injections per year in case of rabies or to actually treat them as well as a couple of deaths too? Literally your arguments in this thread are you want Australia to wave dogs through so we too can have thousands of people per year injected in case of rabies as well?

Australia should also just forget about ticks and mites etc too. We wouldn't want to offend any celebrities now would we?

Honestly what is it you're arguing with here? There is 1-2 deaths per year and thousands exposed to rabies with potential infections anywhere from 1-40,000. Sure we should relax our stance on keeping Australia rabies free...fuck me.

I like how he won't reply to me.

All your posts have answers within my other replies. Also name calling and generalising about a nation's reading comprehension doesn't make me want to reply to you directly.

I specifically said laws shouldn't be broken on things like this. However, Australian authorities erred in acting so slowly to address it. And the penalty should be a fine and quarantine, not just putting the animal down. Jail in this case, is probably overkill.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172403423&postcount=192

Subject the dogs to a test, if infected then of course put them down but otherwise enough publicity via a fine is sufficient for raising awareness of our laws.

 

[DarkFlow]

I like how he won't reply to me.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

You're talking to a wall. I almost think we've found Barnaby Joyce's Gaf account.

I just don't understand the anger. But yeah, I'm out after this post lol.

So you're happy having 40,000 people receive injections per year in case of rabies or to actually treat them as well as a couple of deaths too? Literally your arguments in this thread are you want Australia to wave dogs through so we too can have thousands of people per year injected in case of rabies as well?

Australia should also just forget about ticks and mites etc too. We wouldn't want to offend any celebrities now would we?

Honestly what is it you're arguing with here? There is 1-2 deaths per year and thousands exposed to rabies with potential infections anywhere from 1-40,000. Sure we should relax our stance on keeping Australia rabies free...fuck me.

I specifically said laws shouldn't be broken on things like this. However, Australian authorities erred in acting so slowly to address it. And the penalty should be a fine and quarantine, not just putting the animal down. Jail in this case, is probably overkill.

 

[danm999]

I specifically said laws shouldn't be broken on things like this. However, Australian authorities erred in acting so slowly to address it. And the penalty should be a fine and quarantine, not just putting the animal down. Jail in this case, is probably overkill.

IIRC, they literally found out about it via social media three weeks after the dogs had been brought in via private plane.

At that point Joyce, in typical idiot style gave them this odd ultimatum to look tough and they were gone by the weekend.

 

[NinjaFridge]

yeah for real crimes. Not this made up BS.

Lol.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

IIRC, they literally found out about it via social media three weeks after the dogs had been brought in via private plane.

At that point Joyce, in typical idiot style gave them this odd ultimatum to look tough and they were gone by the weekend.

Oh, well they should probably be thanking the Depps for exposing a clear flaw in their customs process that a dog was able to be flown in through an airport without detection.

 

[danm999]

Oh, well they should probably be thanking the Depps for exposing a clear flaw in their customs process that a dog was able to be flown in through an airport without detection.

I don't doubt any celebrity coming in on a private jet will get a different treatment in future, yeah.

 

[Darren870]

They broke the law, were told to leave, then were charged and told to come back to face justice.

It kinda seems like they gave them leeway for being celebrities, then changed their mind after they were no longer within their jurisdiction.

If I'm an idiot then be thankful I'm not a part of a pack of them running a country. Otherwise you'd have the Australian government.

This is no different then what happened to Stallone in 2007. He came into Australia in Feb then was charged and found guilty in May.

They were told to get rid of the dogs, which they did, now they are facing the consequences of their actions.

Why are quarantine laws so hard for people to understand? People are arguing about the number of rabies cases in the US and the number of shots given to prevent rabies. It doesn't matter how many cases there are in the US. The point is Australia doesn't have rabies, and it is not in the position to deal with it. Dogs also have ticks, mites and fleas on them. Australia doesn't have lymes either, yet the US has plenty of cases a year.

Should we list all the reasons an Eco system can get f'd up by an animal, parasite, or disease?

Just look at the BURMESE python in Florida. One of the most invasive species in the area that is from....Burma (And S. East Asia). All because it was a pretty looking pet to someone.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Weird thread. You would think that after The Simpsons made that documentary about bullfrogs causing mass destruction to the environment here, you yanks would know better.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

So you're happy having 40,000 people receive injections per year in case of rabies or to actually treat them as well as a couple of deaths too? Literally your arguments in this thread are you want Australia to wave dogs through so we too can have thousands of people per year injected in case of rabies as well?

Australia should also just forget about ticks and mites etc too. We wouldn't want to offend any celebrities now would we?

Honestly what is it you're arguing with here? There is 1-2 deaths per year and thousands exposed to rabies with potential infections anywhere from 1-40,000. Sure we should relax our stance on keeping Australia rabies free...fuck me.

Well that doesn't mean thousands were exposed. Just suspected of exposure. Given the near 100% fatal prognosis of rabies once symptoms start, of course the vaccine will be given even in cases where transmissions never occurred. Actually counting the table, there were 34 actual cases over a 10 year period, not 70.

In that CDC link, actual cases of dog rabies in the US was 75 and 81 in 2008 and 2009 respectively. Rabies transmission from dogs is quite rare nowadays thanks to mass dog vaccination efforts. You're more likely to be exposed to it from cats or wild animals.

I'm just stating that the rabies issue, given the biodiversity and population of the US, is pretty well under control. It's not common at all. It's not like we're some rabid wasteland with every other animal and human foaming at the mouth.

But again, of course import laws and quarantine mandates should be followed.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Is she in jail yet?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Who the fuck is Monroe Hutchens?

 

[Deleted member 325805]

Fine her and move on, jail time would be stupid.

 

[TAJ]

Who the fuck is Monroe Hutchens?

Wesley Snipes.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

Fine her and move on, jail time would be stupid.

As an Australian, I'd support waiving both the threat of gaol and the fine in exchange for Depp and Heard providing the dogs for Barnaby Joyce to kill and eat on live television. It would be a very noble gesture for them to make such a sacrifice in the name of marriage equality. The dogs would achieve more in death than they ever could in life.

 

[hirokazu]

As an Australian, I'd support waiving both the threat of gaol and the fine in exchange for Depp and Heard providing the dogs for Barnaby Joyce to kill and eat on live television. It would be a very noble gesture for them to make such a sacrifice in the name of marriage equality. The dogs would achieve more in death than they ever could in life.

Have Joyce and the dogs fight it out to the death in an arena. Whichever side wins deserves to eat the loser.

 

[shanshan310]

Good. I don't want rabies or any of those other diseases foreign dogs can carry coming into my country. We have really strict quarantine rules for a reason- our eco systems are different and fragile.

It's not that hard to get dogs in the right way, especially if you are rich. A couple of grand and a few weeks in quarantine and then you can have your dogs back.

 

[Zoe]

Well that doesn't mean thousands were exposed. Just suspected of exposure. Given the near 100% fatal prognosis of rabies once symptoms start, of course the vaccine will be given even in cases where transmissions never occurred. Actually counting the table, there were 34 actual cases over a 10 year period, not 70.

In that CDC link, actual cases of dog rabies in the US was 75 and 81 in 2008 and 2009 respectively. Rabies transmission from dogs is quite rare nowadays thanks to mass dog vaccination efforts. You're more likely to be exposed to it from cats or wild animals.

I'm just stating that the rabies issue, given the biodiversity and population of the US, is pretty well under control. It's not common at all. It's not like we're some rabid wasteland with every other animal and human foaming at the mouth.

But again, of course import laws and quarantine mandates should be followed.

Why are you guys focusing on human exposure? Animal to animal exposure is the real concern.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I just have an imagine rabid kangaroos over running 'Straya.

aww I was hoping they would be cute like pitbulls or rottweillers but they are just 2 yorkies

Yorkies are terrible.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Prison time for this seems ridiculous to me tbh but I also think the fine should be bigger as 75k is like 1/4th the cost of a car for them as punishment for falsifying documents and skipping over quarantine. But as it stands, just stick them with the 75k fine

I do wonder if fines as a proportion of your income will ever take off. On one hand, it seems wrong that who you are will modify your sentence. On the other hand you can make the argument that who you are generally *does* modify your sentence, and if some rich guy can pay a fine without breaking a sweat the penalties fail from a deterrence aspect.

 

[DXPett1]

I don't doubt any celebrity coming in on a private jet will get a different treatment in future, yeah.

Border Force are licking their lips