ya It's been kinda frustrating seeing how many folks seem to brush off the ray tracing performance on AMDs cards but maybe its different for those of us who've already owned RTX 20 series cards for awhile , There's no way I'm significantly downgrading ray tracing performance / losing DLSS for a few more frames in non ray trace games.
It's understandable that if you already have RT, and you want an upgrade for that, that AMD is not really an option right now. It would be a similar situation like having a 1080 Ti, and looking at the Turing cards and finding out you have to pay the same price for pretty much the same amount of rasterization performance. In the latter case, you'd get RT as a bonus if you go Turing, while with the AMD cards, you'd get significant rasterization boost as a bonus while remaining relatively stagnant at RT.
For someone just trying to get into RT, or simply not caring about it at all, things are different, because the perspective is completely different. I don't want to revive certain discussions, but I have to say it.
People have been complaining about my potential interest in a 6800 series card while having a 2560x1080 monitor. Before I go on, I'll state that I do not care about RT enough at this point to base my graphics card choice on it. And multiple reviewers can agree on that point.
But... At the moment I showed interest in the 6800 cards with my 21:9 1080p resolution monitor, it had been completely forgotten that these cards are perfectly viable for RT at that resolution. From that sense, the card is still a perfectly good choice, especially if you can find them cheaper than the alternatives (which is currently not the case). No one had a problem brushing RT off at the moment that it is good enough for 1080p with these cards... Suddenly the whole discussion became about native 4K being so much better than a lower resolution. Apparently, such a card is only "allowed" to be bought to game at 4K, basically its weakest point compared to the competition. Otherwise you're made out to be stupid.
This shows a huge disconnect with reality. The variables are altered each time to one's own bias. That is understandable, because the cards are more than the sum of their parts. There are many variables at play, and not everyone is going to use these cards in the same way. You can throw every number or every review out, but a certain group of people are going to value things differently than another group of people, simply because their needs are different. Which is exactly why it is completely absurd to trash not only the cards, but the people interested in these cards.
You call it brushing off, but really, RT is not mandatory, like at all. Just like with a 3070 you might have to lower settings to remain below the 8GB, you can also lower RT settings on a 6800 card. Priorities are simply different.
At one point, people were trying to shove their own view down others' throats here, going as far as trying to ridicule and borderline bullying others. Obviously, things get heated and the pushback becomes harder.
If you do care about RT, that is fine, and it is also fine to state how that means you won't get one of these cards. That being said (this is not directed to you personally), hanging around for pages nitpicking every little detail just to portray these cards in the worst light possible is not fine.
I ultimately have to ask though... Yes, this is directed at you personally... Why is it frustrating for you, that others are "brushing off" AMD's RT performance? You're free to choose your own product based on your own priorities.