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AMD RX 6000 'Big Navi' GPU Event | 10/28/2020 @ 12PM EST/9AM PST/4PM UK
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VFXVeteran
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The fanboys don't care. They only see the rasterization benchmarks and are claiming victory over a few FPS.
BluRayHiDef
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I have both an RTX 3080 and an RTX 3090 and I regret NOTHING. DLSS makes playing games at 4K with ray tracing enabled a viable option, and AMD's RX 6000 Series doesn't have an equivalent to it yet.
Furthermore, there are a dozen upcoming games that will feature ray tracing and DLSS.
RTX ON: A Dozen More Games Will Have Ray Tracing and DLSS This Year
Today’s biggest blockbuster titles and indie games are RTX ON. Check out this Holiday’s upcoming games adopting ray tracing and DLSS, including Cyberpunk 2077, Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War, and Watch Dogs: Legion.
www.nvidia.com
mrBarrelNut
Member
Yes. Just a remainder: 36 CU @ ~2Ghz = ~9.2TF
These are good cards for competitive PC gamers, with low latency focus and NV matching rasterization performance in not so graphically demanding high FPS multiplayer games.
However, I like playing graphically impressive games so good RT performance + DLSS 2.0 probably means that I'll go for 3080 instead.
yeah, but nice ones for them just like nvidia do in their presentations. Do we know if raytracing was enabled ? also without a good DLSS competitor, could one argue that you should be comparing DLSS Quality mode + 1440p native res vs AMD 4k native res mode if the image quality is the same?
I will wait for independent benchmarks.
VFXVeteran
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I want to see new tech in these boards. That means RT and DLSS and hardware cores. I saw none of that. With the increaase in RT coming, they missed the boat on that R&D. They tried to compensate with rasterization performance. They don't have enough there for me to praise.
And my 3090 is going fine. It will be the fastest RT board for the next few years.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I'm sorry the 3090 is a stupid buy at its current RRP. AMD just pulled Nvidia's pants down there.
Mister Wolf
Member
Hopefully Nvidia lowers the price on the 3090 now so I can get one early next year.
VFXVeteran
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Without hardware cores doing the DLSS, it will eat up GPU cycles thus lowering performance. AMD should have invested in more silicon this go around. They are still behind Nvidia in my book.
smallpotatosan
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i have to say this. RIP 3090....
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DonJuanSchlong
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Have you ever seen comparisons with raytracing, having DLSS on vs off when it comes to framerate? If you haven't, please look it up, as there's a world of a difference in framerates. This is what will decide which GPU will be relevant in the future.
cucuchu
Member
I have both an RTX 3080 and an RTX 3090 and I regret NOTHING. DLSS makes playing games at 4K with ray tracing enabled a viable option, and AMD's RX 6000 Series doesn't have an equivalent to it yet.
Furthermore, there are a dozen upcoming games that will feature ray tracing and DLSS.
RTX ON: A Dozen More Games Will Have Ray Tracing and DLSS This Year
Today’s biggest blockbuster titles and indie games are RTX ON. Check out this Holiday’s upcoming games adopting ray tracing and DLSS, including Cyberpunk 2077, Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War, and Watch Dogs: Legion.www.nvidia.com
Exactly this. Although if I didn't have a 3080, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 6800XT if no 3080's were available (assuming 6800XT's are actually supplied better than the 3080's).
People are touting a few FPS of raw performance in select games as a win for AMD, which it is in those specific cases, but DLSS is quite impressive so that leaves a lot for AMD to make up for when it comes to practical performance in games for years to come. The ray tracing argument has been beat to death, and some people can live without it, but if thats something important to you then AMD also has ground to make up for there too.
For 99% of PC gamers, both the 3080 and 6800XT are going to provide similarly amazing performance so you can't go wrong either way. I'm happy AMD is now competing with NVIDIA though and thats a win for everyone.
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Bolivar687
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Furthermore, there are a dozen upcoming games that will feature ray tracing and DLSS.
RTX ON: A Dozen More Games Will Have Ray Tracing and DLSS This Year
Today’s biggest blockbuster titles and indie games are RTX ON. Check out this Holiday’s upcoming games adopting ray tracing and DLSS, including Cyberpunk 2077, Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War, and Watch Dogs: Legion.www.nvidia.com
Mister Wolf
Member
Yeah the real benchmark is how this thing will run Cyberpunk with every raytracing setting turned on to max. Thats the only comparison to the 3080/3090 that matters to me.
Coulomb_Barrier
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There's several thousand PC games released each year (literally), but because DLSS 2.0 is in 12 of them, pre-order cancelled AMD
Bo_Hazem
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Not to mention that nVidia might get the shaft as both PS5 and XSX are RDNA2-based.
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longdi
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game clocks of 2015mhz, for their highest quality silicon, is high, for sure.
But not high high!
game clocks are not even sustainable by past amd standards. sure some games can go higher if you won the silicon lottery, but if you pass it through tougher engines, it will drop below game clocks.
grfunkulus
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Nice try. Your argument amounted to name calling. Called you on the stupidity. You reacted to my reasoned argument with memes. Typical attempt to gaslight.
Clockspeeds are key to RNDA 2
Wonder which APU runs at RDNA 1 speeds
Aged like fucking milk
Malakhov
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8nm, 10GB VRAMgame clocks of 2015mhz, for their highest quality silicon, is high, for sure.
But not high high!
game clocks are not even sustainable by past amd standards. sure some games can go higher if you won the silicon lottery, but if you pass it through tougher engines, it will drop below game clocks.
Bolivar687
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I do think some of this is going to be dialed back when reviewers are testing this without Smart Access Memory or Rage Mode. They were clearly turned on to get some of these comparisons where they just edge out Nvidia.
Still, if there's no 3080s available on 11/18, then it's not really a choice at all.
BluRayHiDef
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And how many of those games are triple-A titles? The fact that Cyberpunk 2077 will support both RTX and DLSS is a sufficient reason by itself to choose the RTX 30 Series over the RX 6000 Series, as Cyberpunk 2077 will be the biggest game (both in terms of scope and hype) released this year and for some time to come. You won't be able to play that game with decent frame rates when RTX is enabled without DLSS or an equivalent to DLSS.
Senua
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That gif just isn't the same without him falling
PhoenixTank
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Yup. Fine for workloads that need 24GB, beeeg datasets, 3D work and the like, albeit lacking Titan drivers with the associated performance on certain ops. Then again Nvidia says the 3090 is a gaming card sooo. I don't know what position it really has in the market. Titan-Lite?
Malakhov
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Ascend
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The BVH acceleration is integrated into the CU. It's not like the 5700XT that doesn't have any BVH acceleration. RT is hardware accelerated.
Obviously AMD is not going to have Tensor cores because that is nVidia technology. B
For a Veteran, sometimes you really are stupid. Can't believe you of all people fall for this nonsense.
Always funny.
nVidia comes with new tech: YES, we must have it, just in case it is adopted. AMD is better value? Who cares, it doesn't have this underused tech!
AMD comes with new tech: Nothing uses it, not worth having. It's better to wait until it's fully adopted, and by that time, nVidia will have it anyway!
nani17
are in a big trouble
It won't support AMD at launch as far as I know in terms of Ray tracing but will down the line
MiguelItUp
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....Alright? It wasn't meant to be an argument, never was. Maybe I was harsh with the name calling, but people say shit much worse than that here, lol. It wasn't directed towards anyone in particular. I reacted with a gif saying chill, because I wasn't starting an argument, clearly. Why would I respond with a wall of text, which I happen to be doing now, so I guess you got what you wanted, lol. It wasn't my objective. Never was or is. Clearly what I said hurt you or offended you, and that wasn't the point of it. A 36 year old gaslighter, yup! That's me.
Just ignore me if you need to, for whatever reason you have it out for me, and that's odd to me. Not a common thing. But whatever, not sure what your motive is, but have a good day.
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BluRayHiDef
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Yes, but will there be a DLSS equivalent available when ray tracing is enabled for AMD's cards? Ray tracing without DLSS tanks performance.
Damian black
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Cyberpunk if it even comes out this year will probably have problems. I wouldnt bank on that alone being the reason for choosing your gpu right now.
BluRayHiDef
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I'm keeping both cards. I'll build a second PC early next year and put the 3080 into it.So how's that 3090 doing right now? Sold your 3080 yet?
Kazekage1981
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this might be slightly off topic, but do AMD GPU have 'cores' the same way CPU's have cores? Are the cores in the GPU the compute units (not talking about NVIDIA tensa cores).
The RDNA 3 is rumored to use the chiplet design similar to the Zen architecture. So the potential for future AMD GPUs RDNA 3 based would be:
1) Using chiplet design connecting GPU cores with infinity fabric (interconnect between cores)
2) Infinity cache (128mb to lets say 256mb)
3) Faster memory (HBM or GDDR7?!)
4) Better and more efficient hardware acceleration of DLSS type feature and Raytracing?
The RDNA 3 is rumored to use the chiplet design similar to the Zen architecture. So the potential for future AMD GPUs RDNA 3 based would be:
1) Using chiplet design connecting GPU cores with infinity fabric (interconnect between cores)
2) Infinity cache (128mb to lets say 256mb)
3) Faster memory (HBM or GDDR7?!)
4) Better and more efficient hardware acceleration of DLSS type feature and Raytracing?
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notseqi
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Be an AMD fan for a day. You have been arguing a lot against AMD the past few days. Not knocking you but I see your complaint and I don't care for it.
Malakhov
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With your broken cpu or was that just a cover to go fetch a ryzen?
nani17
are in a big trouble
Yes its called super resolution its AMDS version of DLSS they announced it today
Ascend
Member
You were never going to get an AMD card. Stop lying.I'm going to get a 3090 literally because of this presentation.I was hoping they would showcase their raytracing and DLSS alternative, as enthusiasts look forward to these kinda things. YMMV
SantaC
Member
The smart access memory gave like 3-13%. 6900XT will still be pretty close.
Evangelion Unit-01
Master Chief
6800XT looks like a nice card. $50 cheaper than 3080. I think the price of both cards speaks volumes to how AMD priced Nvidia down with the 5800 vs 2070/2080 last year.
6900 $500 cheaper than 3090 is big.
Good showing, PC builders have a lot of great choices.
6900 $500 cheaper than 3090 is big.
Good showing, PC builders have a lot of great choices.
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BluRayHiDef
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What's up with these antagonistic posts? WTF? I'm a grown man; I don't need to invest an excuse to buy stuff.
BluRayHiDef
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I'll believe when I see it. With no dedicated AI cores, it won't be as good as Nvidia's solution.