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AMD RX 6000 'Big Navi' GPU Event | 10/28/2020 @ 12PM EST/9AM PST/4PM UK

3liteDragon

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Has the NDA been fully lifted on RDNA 2? If anyone has a link to an in-depth breakdown of the architecture, please post it here.
 
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SantaC

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Anyone want to give me a summary? or a link to a summary? Seems like it was half a DX12 event from tweets.
Amds best cards matches the best Nvidia offers today. There is your summary.

And that with a weaker memory system(gddr6 vs gddr6x)
 
Guys I told you Su Bae gonna deliver you fucking laughed who's laughing now that's right my bae and team red with their talented engineers yeah baby.
Fucking 3090 is cancelled, no refunds will be issued.
Stay mad and if you preordered a 3090 don't forget to ligma balls.
I'm going to get a 3090 literally because of this presentation. 😂 I was hoping they would showcase their raytracing and DLSS alternative, as enthusiasts look forward to these kinda things. YMMV 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♀️
 
Can the DLSS warriors and their 20 titles that support it get help and stop downplaying how good these cards are? I think the 3070 for the price is borderline ok for the time being though and a great card for 1440p.
6800 XT at $600 is a decent deal but at $650 it’s priced practically the same as an Nvidia 3080 which has DLSS and RTX.

Can AMD-shills accept this??

“20 games.” One those games is Cyberpunk... so get fuct
 
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It's definitely a step in the right direction, coming from behind to trade blows with nVidia.

But it's not enough for a big upset. Now if 6800XT was to 3080 was what 6900XT is to 3090, power and price-wise... a man can only dream
 

Mhmmm 2077

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Oh my. I love AMD, always did (I mean, I'm still on FX-6200 and HD 7970 GHz!). Can't wait to get a Ryzen 5600X and RX 6800XT build next month!


6800 XT at $600 is a decent deal but at $650 it’s priced practically the same as an RTX 3080 which has DLSS and RTX.

Can AMD-shills accept this??
since when $50 equals $0?
 
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Keep in mind VFXVeteran is a graphics artist; for graphics artists more VRAM and RT features are probably preferred, for their visual effects suites. IIRC the 3090 is mainly targeted at graphics production suites, not gaming per se.

While I can understand that, and I don't actually have an issue with VFX, I know he often gets unfairly dogpilled by console warriors and I massively respect his industry knowlege and expertise. Having said that, he also presents himself as somewhat of a PCMR/Nvidia fanboy type of poster, otherwise he wouldn't be in here trying to downplay this reveal and constantly lying about RDNA2 cards not having RT hardware.

I generally like the guy, but if the shoe fits 🤷‍♂️
 

sinnergy

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"Ray tracing itself does require additional functional hardware blocks, and AMD has confirmed for the first time that RDNA2 includes this hardware. Using what they are terming a ray accelerator, there is an accelerator in each CU. The ray accelerator in turn will be leaning on the Infinity Cache in order to improve its performance, by allowing the cache to help hold and manage the large amount of data that ray tracing requires, exploiting the cache’s high bandwidth while reducing the amount of data that goes to VRAM."

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1620...-starts-at-the-highend-coming-november-18th/2

Can we stop with the "no RT hardware OLOLOLO" bullshit sometime soon?
Nice article , gonna read , thanks .
 
Weren't rumors talking about game clocks being 2.4Ghz?

And looking at the PS5 speed of 2.23Ghz and seeing that there's no RDNA2 6000 GPU with those game clocks, does that say those won't really be sustained? Highest game clocks are 2.04 in 6900XT

AIB cards tested maxed out at 2.55 but run averages were much lower... i think 2.4 could be sustainable if you invest the power & can handle the thermals.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Let's unite against the villain! Brothers of PlayStation, Xbox, and TEAM RED PC Master Race!

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Bolivar687

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Shameless self-promotion:

It's even funnier to still hear "AMD has nothing coming" from those who got hit the hardest by Nvidia prematurely announcing their power hungry monster of a card. I see overclock videos hitting over 350 watts and that should be a huge red flag to anyone who knows how hard Nvidia has overhyped efficiency over the last six years.

There's a reason why the 3090 exists and we are going to find out what it is on October 28.

Nothing is certain but I really think more people should have seen today's press conference coming from a mile away, because the RTX 3000 launch is so uncharacteristically out of character for Nvidia.

We cannot overemphasize what a massive move this is from AMD and for gaming hardware in general. It's been five years since they competed at the top gaming offering and a lot of people were acting, with some reason to think so, that they were never going to compete at the high-end and enthusiast tiers ever again. I came into this expecting to have to shell out hard for a 6900XT but I actually think the 6800 at $579 might just be enough to stay at 1440p for the time being.

Anyone downplaying what just happened today for Ray Tracing or DLSS need to face the facts for what it is: a premature and undersupported feature that truly isn't worth the opportunity cost in performance at this time.
 
I know these cards are great for gaming, but i am looking forward to Ryzen 5000+RDNA 2 APUs for touchscreen laptops, desktops (like surface studio), tablets that support pen.

As an artist, using photoshop and other drawing and painting software is GPU dependent. Would love a true 4k, HDR, 120hz, Freesync, OLED/AMOLED/QLED refresh screen with close to 1:1 writing and drawing on screen in an ultra slim form factor. On top of that hope AMD supports:

Wifi6E, USB 4.0, Bluetooth 5.2
 
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reksveks

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Amds best cards matches the best Nvidia offers today. There is your summary.

And that with a weaker memory system(gddr6 vs gddr6x)
I will wait on the real life benchmarks and especially the games i care about but anything interesting in terms of features?
 

Malakhov

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6800 XT at $600 is a decent deal but at $650 it’s priced practically the same as an Nvidia 3080 which has DLSS and RTX.

Can AMD-shills accept this??

“20 games.” One those games is Cyberpunk... so get fuct
AMD supplies RT on consoles, developers will use that feature for ports as well, can you nvidia shills accept this? Theyre basically now the hardware to support
 
Better to wait for independent benchmarks and availability before claiming anything. It is impressive though that AMD has seemingly matched Nvidia in rasterisation performance.
 

duhmetree

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XsX does use direct x 12 ultimate, but the compute units of the XsX have been customized at the hardware level to accelerate ray tracing.

The questions is, do these new cards have hardware level ray tracing via:

1) modified compute units
2) dedicated RT cores

I dont know the answer
we were all hoping for some clarity at this event.

Hopefully if there were any NDAs, we could get a video/breakdown soon.
 

JTCx

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Keep in mind VFXVeteran is a graphics artist; for graphics artists more VRAM and RT features are probably preferred, for their visual effects suites. IIRC the 3090 is mainly targeted at graphics production suites, not gaming per se.

Overall I'm really happy with these AMD announcements. Gotta give RedTechGaming some props, he was pretty accurate WRT the 6000 line spec leaks without saying too much to get obliterated by AMD ninjas. From what I saw, one of the GPUs is basically 2x PS5s (6900?), and the other is basically a Series X (6800 XT). So it definitely seems they leveraged the hell out of those partnerships.

Seems they are going with adopting DirectStorage for data I/O solutions, similar to Nvidia, though I think they're waiting on MS's DirectStorage instead of spinning their own. Also something that surprised me here was just how focused they were on specifying DX12U support with the GPUs. Any mentions of Vulkan stuff? A good number of the DX12U stuff seems strongly ingrained into the actual silicon design of RDNA2, as well, that kind of matches some of the earlier speculation indicative to what degree MS's been involved in the process (like bringing mesh shaders to the spec).

I didn't see any mention of cache scrubbers here, but that could maybe be the feature Sony said would be the type of thing that is brought forward in a "future" RDNA standard, something like RDNA3 most likely. So in that sense yeah, they would "have" an RDNA3 feature present, but more as something from their end adopted forward, not pulled from a forward RDNA3 roadmap...which fits the language Mark Cerny used back in March.

There might be a chance the consoles have Infinity Cache after all; definitely not 128 MB's worth, but maybe say, 32 MB minimum. That's at least about 1 MB (minus a few hundred KB) L1$ per dual CU, but it could go up a bit depending on what Sony and MS would've wanted. Maybe a chance they'd have it implemented slightly differently, too.

Power consumption looks like it falls in line with what I was expecting, very good figures there. I think for visual suite productivity Nvidia might still have the advantage at the highest end but for gaming AMD is at least legit competitive with them and beating them in a lot of cases for less money, too. That could change somewhat factoring in DLSS and RT for Nvidia, but the former is game-by-game case and the latter is only really applicable in measured doses without tanking game performance (i.e you still need to use a lot of artistic liberties).
Hes not an artist
 

Wunray

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6800 XT at $600 is a decent deal but at $650 it’s priced practically the same as an Nvidia 3080 which has DLSS and RTX.

Can AMD-shills accept this??

“20 games.” One those games is Cyberpunk... so get fuct
50 dollars is 50 dollars (It's gonna be more than that since you aren't going to get a founders card seeing as nvidia isn't selling them anymore)

As for 1 more delay plox-punk you have fun paying a 50-150 premium for for those 2 features (DLSS is amazing but it's up to the individual if it's worth the extra cost)

Can NVidia shills accept that some people don't actually care about those features.
 
Enjoy paying 500 for DLSS lmao
Why is that funny to you? Its like owning a ford pinto and laughing at the guy who has a lambo. The lambo would crush the pinto, just like how the 3090 will have better performance with raytracing, especially when enabling DLSS, to achieve much higher framerate. This is why console owners and Red team want AMD to be competitive in that specifically.

What a childish/immature thing to laugh at, smh.
 

duhmetree

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I'm still stuck at 3080 or 6800xt.

Wonder what the rumored 3080ti will cost. You would think if wont outperform the 6900xt/3090. Assuming the 3080ti will be priced less than the 6900xt... at $799-$899
 

Eliciel

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I might really buy a 6800XT now...if you consider the 5700 XT price vs. performance it is literally a joke to be honest.
649€ vs. 449€ for 2x the power? Wow.. and even 6800 at 579 vs. 449€...thank god I was still able to sell mine at 340€ and bought it for 380€..
 
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rodrigolfp

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Amds best cards matches the best Nvidia offers today. There is your summary.

And that with a weaker memory system(gddr6 vs gddr6x)

Including full RT enable and with a equivalent or better DLSS solution?
 
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CrustyBritches

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6800 XT being $50 bucks less than 3080 and 6900 XT being $300 less than the 3090 are smart moves, but the 6800 costing $180 more than the 3070 ain't the smartest of moves. They seem on par with one another, that much of a price gap can hurt them.
The 3070 is $499. The 6800XT is $150 more at $649, while the 6800XL is $579. That's $80 for the extra 8GB, more than worth it.

So now we know the answer as to why Nvidia pushed the 3080 and 3090 way past the optimum efficiency curve to gain a tiny bit of extra performance for huge power draw.

We know why they rushed out their paper launch without enough stock.

We know why the 3080 and 3070 are priced the way they are, we know why the 3090 exists at all as a hail mary maintain the Halo crown card.

We know why the 3070ti based on GA104 was cancelled.

We know why a cut down GA102 is taking its place.

We know why the 20GB 3080 and 16GB 3070 were cancelled.

We know why a 3080ti is launching at slightly lower performance than 3090 with 12GB RAM and presumably lower price.
Yep. All this^

People need to keep in mind that Nvidia's whole approach here wasn't out of the kindness of their heart, AMD was about to rain fire down on them. That's where the $699 GA102 and $499 2080ti pricing comes from...you can directly thank AMD. Same with any possible 3070ti/3080ti. Competition is great!
 
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GymWolf

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Can i have a summary or a link to a summary please?

Did they showed something similar to dlss?? (Don't care about rtx)
 

CrysisFreak

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Why is that funny to you? Its like owning a ford pinto and laughing at the guy who has a lambo. The lambo would crush the pinto, just like how the 3090 will have better performance with raytracing, especially when enabling DLSS, to achieve much higher framerate. This is why console owners and Red team want AMD to be competitive in that specifically.

What a childish/immature thing to laugh at, smh.
Cringe. What kind of comparison is that?
It's more like comparing a C8 Corvette to a Porsche 911.
 
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