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[Insane Metal]

Watching it now. It's impressive how charismatic and passionate Lisa Su is. I just admire her so much.

Edit

Lisa believes AI is the most transformational tech we've ever seen, bigger than the internet, the cloud and so on. She also believes the pace in which tech is changing is faster than ever.

Edit 2:

She said Jensen and her were always very distant and actually met after they were already in the industry, but he is brilliant and she admires him for that.

 

[BoxFresh123]

"chip away"

 

[Puscifer]

Then stop playing the same game they are and beat them on price. 7950/7970 ghz editions still remain my favorite gpus period, they slaughtered Nvidia but that was the last remnants of ATI....

 

[Magic Carpet]

Gonna have to set up a cave in behind you so that Intel can't squeeze through this next year. Chip chip ahead, cave in behind.

 

[The Cockatrice]

It's impressive how charismatic and passionate Lisa Su is. I just admire her so much.

Didnt know Lisa Su had a neogaf account.

 

[M1chl]

Whatever happens it stays in the family

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

If they keep following nvidia's pricing, then that's never gonna happen; I hope intel's battlemage works as a wake up call.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Stop it Lisa.

 

[Bulletbrain]

It's nice to want things.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I love AMD as much as the next naive idiot but anytime they’ve had a chance to take market share against Nvidia they’ve always dropped the ball.

 

[AgatonSax]

Just banal as fuck.

 

[Insane Metal]

I love AMD as much as the next naive idiot but anytime they’ve had a chance to take market share against Nvidia they’ve always dropped the ball.

Everyone thought the same in regards to their CPUs though.

I personally don't expect it either, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Edit: Lewis playing Driver on the OG PSX!

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

>3/4 the performance
>1/2 price
= profit

 

[winjer]

I hope this means she will increase the budget and staffing for the Radeon group.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Didnt know Lisa Su had a neogaf account.

You know, he really is the simp of us.

 

[SHA]

Didnt know Lisa Su had a neogaf account.

Who said you're retarded?

 

[Eimran]

I love AMD but as a stock holder YTD this was a bad year

 

[Skifi28]

She may want it, but she hasn't really shown it.

 

[Syphon Filter]

AMD

 

[SolidQ]

I hope this means she will increase the budget and staffing for the Radeon group.

UDNA will make for them money, so that why they cancel high end RDNA4, to put more money into UDNA

 

[Crayon]

They got to get some ai upscaling going. It's been long enough that native to native comparisons with Nvidia are telling half the story at best.

A friend was shopping for GPUs and asked me what's the difference between Nvidia and amd these days. I said you'll get more performance per dollar from a price dropped amd but Nvidia has this upscaling that's good enough to make up the difference anyhow. I said unless he went with linux just get an Nvidia.

Edit: oh right... I forgot to warm him about 8gb and he went off and paid full price for a 4060. Oops. Some friend I am!

 

[grvg]

Lol. Lmao, even.

 

[Loomy]

She may want it, but she hasn't really shown it.

They've capitalized every opportunity they've had to eat Intel's lunch. I'm not sure if they just don't have the right people in place in leadership over on the GPU side of things, but they're proven that they can win when they make a good effort.

 

[Mahavastu]

I love AMD but as a stock holder YTD this was a bad year

It can always be worse. I sold AMD when they were below $2

 

[Haint]

They've capitalized every opportunity they've had to eat Intel's lunch. I'm not sure if they just don't have the right people in place in leadership over on the GPU side of things, but they're proven that they can win when they make a good effort.

That's Intel's "achievement" though, not AMD. Intel has literally been rebadging the same architecture on giant ass nodes for well over half a decade at this point with every new model basically just pushing an overclock higher. If Intel hadn't catastrophically shit the bed and maintained even a fraction of their historical product roadmap trajectory, AMD would absolutely be bankrupt right now.

 

[PauloRoberto]

That's Intel's "achievement" though, not AMD. Intel has literally been rebadging the same architecture for well over half a decade at this point with every new model basically just pushing an overclock higher. If Intel hadn't catastrophically shit the bed and maintained even a fraction of their historical product roadmap trajectory, AMD would absolutely be bankrupt right now.

C'mon, AMD also deserves a lot of credit, Ryzen processor family is a f* good product.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

People think Lisa Su and Jensen Huang are some kind of cartel because they are cousins but IRL Jensen came to America at a very young age and is very distant from his family that stayed in Taiwan so I'm not surprised they never actually met until when they were both grown adults working in the same industry

 

[Tams]

They've capitalized every opportunity they've had to eat Intel's lunch. I'm not sure if they just don't have the right people in place in leadership over on the GPU side of things, but they're proven that they can win when they make a good effort.

They got rid of Raja, but that's still being recovered from.

And now Intel too have to recover from Raja.

 

[Haint]

C'mon, AMD also deserves a lot of credit, Ryzen processor family is a f* good product.

You may want to re-read and re-think about what I said. Before Intel shit the bed in entirely self inflected failure, Ryzen's were dramatically outperformed by contemporaneous Intel processors with fewer (or even HALF) the cores. The 4 core i7 7700K trounced the 8 core Ryzen 1700X pretty much across the board. Literally nobody was buying or recommending a Ryzen 1700X or 2700X over 7700K's, 8700K's, and 9700K. Ryzen was universally and indisputably a significantly inferior product, often times up to 2 full generations behind Intel in performance. Had Intel maintained even a fraction of that advantage, Ryzen would never had been able to catch up. AMD only managed to do so because Intel blew it in catastrophic fashion, not because AMD made some fantastic breakthrough product. The 8 core X3D's are the only worthwhile products AMD have ever made, and they're only exceptional in one very specific hyper focused category (gaming, and only in specific games).

 

[Crayon]

They're going to have to match Intel on those prices. If those battlemage gpus turn out to be good, and AMD thinks they can charge more based on their sullied name, they're crazy.

 

[Bitstream]

Lisa believes current revenue generating trend is the most transformational tech we've ever seen

Hard to believe when its her job to perpetuate this notion

 

[PauloRoberto]

You may want to re-read and re-think about what I said. Before Intel shit the bed in entirely self inflected failure, Ryzen's were dramatically outperformed by contemporaneous Intel processors with fewer (or even HALF) the cores. The 4 core i7 7700K trounced the 8 core Ryzen 1700X pretty much across the board. Literally nobody was buying or recommending a Ryzen 1700X or 2700X over 7700K's, 8700K's, and 9700K. Ryzen was universally and indisputably a significantly inferior product, often times up to 2 full generations behind Intel in performance. Had Intel maintained even a fraction of that advantage, Ryzen would never had been able to catch up. AMD only managed to do so because Intel blew it in catastrophic fashion, not because AMD made some fantastic breakthrough product. The 8 core X3D's are the only worthwhile products AMD have ever made, and they're only exceptional in one very specific hyper focused category (gaming, and only in specific games).

To say that a X3D is the only good product of recent AMD is so stupid that I can see you simply a Intel fanboy. Ignored.

 

[winjer]

You may want to re-read and re-think about what I said. Before Intel shit the bed in entirely self inflected failure, Ryzen's were dramatically outperformed by contemporaneous Intel processors with fewer (or even HALF) the cores. The 4 core i7 7700K trounced the 8 core Ryzen 1700X pretty much across the board. Literally nobody was buying or recommending a Ryzen 1700X or 2700X over 7700K's, 8700K's, and 9700K. Ryzen was universally and indisputably a significantly inferior product, often times up to 2 full generations behind Intel in performance. Had Intel maintained even a fraction of that advantage, Ryzen would never had been able to catch up. AMD only managed to do so because Intel blew it in catastrophic fashion, not because AMD made some fantastic breakthrough product. The 8 core X3D's are the only worthwhile products AMD have ever made, and they're only exceptional in one very specific hyper focused category (gaming, and only in specific games).

In gaming, the 1700x was slower, but in productivity, the 1700x was much faster.
With Zen+ and Zen2, AMD closed the gap, while Intel rebadged the same architecture, over and over again.
Then came Zen3 and it beat Rocket Lake in gaming and productivity. And then there is the Zen X3D parts, that obliterate any Rocket Lake part.
Ever since, the best gaming CPU, has always been an X3D CPU.

 

[Black_Stride]

In gaming, the 1700x was slower, but in productivity, the 1700x was much faster.
With Zen+ and Zen2, AMD closed the gap, while Intel rebadged the same architecture, over and over again.
Then came Zen3 and it beat Rocket Lake in gaming and productivity. And then there is the Zen X3D parts, that obliterate any Rocket Lake part.
Ever since, the best gaming CPU, has always been an X3D CPU.

RocketLake was beaten by CometLake so thats not really saying much.

Every AlderLake K chip beat every Zen3 X chip.
Zen 4 didnt hold a candle to RaptorLake.

The pure core advantage of the x900/x950s meant they were good for productivity but overall AlderLake was still a better buy.

So the poster saying the X3Ds are the only good products in the stack isnt exactly far fetched.......maybe a little hyperbolic but not farfetched.

 

[winjer]

RocketLake was beaten by CometLake so thats not really saying much.

Every AlderLake K chip beat every Zen3 X chip.
Zen 4 didnt hold a candle to RaptorLake.

The pure core advantage of the x900/x950s meant they were good for productivity but overall AlderLake was still a better buy.

So the poster saying the X3Ds are the only good products in the stack isnt exactly far fetched.......maybe a little hyperbolic but not farfetched.

You are considering pre windows scheduler patch.

With this Zen 4 matches Raptor Rake. And the X3D parts have a good lead.

Even the 5800x3d now matches a 12900k.

 

[Black_Stride]

You are considering pre windows scheduler patch.

With this Zen 4 matches Raptor Rake. And the X3D parts have a good lead.

Even the 5800x3d now matches a 12900k.

Other than the 7600X vs 13600K post patch the RaptorLake K CPUs still have the advantage.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Yeah, sure thing grandma. Someone needs to give her a day out of the care home so she faces reality - GayMD fucken suck, man. At least for graphics.

Nobody cares about second best (soon to be third).

 

[winjer]

Other than the 7600X vs 13600K post patch the RaptorLake K CPUs still have the advantage.

By a very tiny margin vs zen4 and nothing vs zen5. Its practically margin of error.

 

[FireFly]

You may want to re-read and re-think about what I said. Before Intel shit the bed in entirely self inflected failure, Ryzen's were dramatically outperformed by contemporaneous Intel processors with fewer (or even HALF) the cores. The 4 core i7 7700K trounced the 8 core Ryzen 1700X pretty much across the board. Literally nobody was buying or recommending a Ryzen 1700X or 2700X over 7700K's, 8700K's, and 9700K. Ryzen was universally and indisputably a significantly inferior product, often times up to 2 full generations behind Intel in performance. Had Intel maintained even a fraction of that advantage, Ryzen would never had been able to catch up. AMD only managed to do so because Intel blew it in catastrophic fashion, not because AMD made some fantastic breakthrough product. The 8 core X3D's are the only worthwhile products AMD have ever made, and they're only exceptional in one very specific hyper focused category (gaming, and only in specific games).

The 7700K got crushed in multithreaded productivity benchmarks:

The AMD Zen and Ryzen 7 Review: A Deep Dive on 1800X, 1700X and 1700

www.anandtech.com

Then when Zen 2 came around AMD closed the IPC deficit in productivity applications and continued to crush Intel in multithreaded performance. They were only behind in gaming, which they fixed with Zen 3. I also find it funny that AMD is credited with nothing when Zen 1 improved IPC by 52% (!) vs Excavator. I guess you're saying they should have increased IPC by 75% instead (Zen 2), because a 52% improvement in a single generation is super underwhelming.

Nobody cares about second best (soon to be third).

Intel is a long way behind in performance per mm^2 and in their own words they are not profitable, and are simply setting fire sale RRPs to get a foothold in the market.

 

[Haint]

The 7700K got crushed in multithreaded productivity benchmarks:

The AMD Zen and Ryzen 7 Review: A Deep Dive on 1800X, 1700X and 1700

www.anandtech.com

Then when Zen 2 came around AMD closed the IPC deficit in productivity applications and continued to crush Intel in multithreaded performance. They were only behind in gaming, which they fixed with Zen 3. I also find it funny that AMD is credited with nothing when Zen 1 improved IPC by 52% (!) vs Excavator. I guess you're saying they should have increased IPC by 75% instead (Zen 2), because a 52% improvement in a single generation is super underwhelming.


Intel is a long way behind in performance per mm^2 and in their own words they are not profitable, and are simply setting fire sale RRPs to get a foothold in the market.

How does championing a 52% improvement in a single generation and STILL being significantly slower than Intel's parts in any way disprove what I said? You just posted multiple pages of productivity benchmarks (look through all of them) of more expensive 8 core parts either losing, or barely winning against a 4 core part in a majority of them. Why do you think Intel had like 95% marketshare back then, while AMD stock was literally a penny stock worth a little over $1 a share? Where do you think AMD would be if Intel hadn't squandered that engineering advantage by turning the company over to marketing and accounting guys?

 

[FireFly]

How does championing a 52% improvement in a single generation and STILL being significantly slower than Intel's parts in any way disprove what I said? You just posted multiple pages of productivity benchmarks (look through all of them) of more expensive 8 core parts either losing, or barely winning against a 4 core part in a majority of them. Why do you think Intel had like 95% marketshare back then, while AMD stock was literally a penny stock worth a little over $1 a share? Where do you think AMD would be if Intel hadn't squandered that engineering advantage by turning the company over to marketing and accounting guys?

You said "Ryzen's were dramatically outperformed by contemporaneous Intel processors with fewer (or even HALF) the cores." and also "The 8 core X3D's are the only worthwhile products AMD have ever made".

That's what I am disputing, i.e the claim that Ryzen processors were somehow bad products. I am not disputing the claim that AMD benefitted hugely from Intel's stagnation, which is basically self-evident. And in the review I linked to, the 1700X beats the 7700K by 49% in Corona, 30% in Luxmark, 55% in POV-Ray, 61% in Cinebench 15 Multithreaded, 40% in 7-Zip and 76% in TrueCrypt. Is that "barely winning" against the 7700K in those applications?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Watching it now. It's impressive how charismatic and passionate Lisa Su is. I just admire her so much.

Too bad all that charisma doesn't mean shit vs. Nvidia.

 

[Chiggs]

By a very tiny margin vs zen4 and nothing vs zen5. Its practically margin of error.

That's such a devastating chart for Intel.

Their top performer on that graph draws way more power and and requires a bios update to be applied immediately so the CPU doesn't burn out.

Great job!

 

[Haint]

You said "Ryzen's were dramatically outperformed by contemporaneous Intel processors with fewer (or even HALF) the cores." and also "The 8 core X3D's are the only worthwhile products AMD have ever made".

That's what I am disputing, i.e the claim that Ryzen processors were somehow bad products. I am not disputing the claim that AMD benefitted hugely from Intel's stagnation, which is basically self-evident. And in the review I linked to, the 1700X beats the 7700K by 49% in Corona, 30% in Luxmark, 55% in POV-Ray, 61% in Cinebench 15 Multithreaded, 40% in 7-Zip and 76% in TrueCrypt. Is that "barely winning" against the 7700K in those applications?

Yes and it lost every browser bench, lost or wash every encoding besides 7zip, lost most system tests, and lost almost every office CPU test. Again we're discussing a $400-$500 8 core part Vs a $300 4 core part. It was a terrible product that revisionist history paints as good cause its bulldozer predessor was worse than an elementary school science project, and because Intel has been re-releasing the same CPU for like 5 generations. Noone was buying Ryzen 1000s, 2000s, or even 3000s.

 

[FireFly]

Yes and it lost every browser bench, lost or wash every encoding besides 7zip, lost most system tests, and lost almost every office CPU test. Again we're discussing a $400-$500 8 core part Vs a $300 4 core part. It was a terrible product that revisionist history paints as good cause its bulldozer predessor was worse than an elementary school science project, and because Intel has been re-releasing the same CPU for like 5 generations. Noone was buying Ryzen 1000s, 2000s, or even 3000s.

You said it lost or equalled every encoding task besides 7-Zip, yet the review I linked has it also winning in WinRAR, TrueCrypt and H264 HQ. Obviously it lost in browser, office and general system tests, because these tests are heavily focused on single core performance, where it was behind. But again, the reason to get a 1700X was not to run Chrome faster, but to improve performance in heavily threaded productivity applications where you could get a 50% performance boost or more. That makes it a specialised product, not a worthless product.

And when Zen 2 came around, the IPC gap was closed, and in the Anandtech review the 3900X won every single encoding test vs. the similarly priced i9 9900k:

The AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 3700X and 3900X Raising The Bar

www.anandtech.com

Their conclusion:

"It’s in these categories where AMD’s strengths lie: In the majority of our system benchmarks, AMD more often than not is able to best Intel’s Core i7-9700K and i9-9900K in terms of performance. It was particularly interesting to see the new 3rd gen Ryzens post larger improvements in the web tests, all thanks to Zen 2’s improved and larger op cache.

In anything that is more than lightly multi-threaded, AMD is also able to take the performance crown among mainstream desktop processors, thanks to their inclusion of 12 cores in their top SKU Ryzen 3900X."