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American hunter illegally killed Cecil the Lion
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Come on man.
onadesertedisland
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Is it a coincidence that since the reddit neogaf hate site got shut down that sjw gets tossed out as a way to discredit a post?
Subpar Spatula
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Come on with what? We're having a discussion aren't we? I answered your question. If this is your response I can assume our discussion is over.
googleplex
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What the fuck are you on about? People lose there jobs and lively hood all the time for doing illegal shit. You're basically saying he should immune from justice because he has a job.
Subpar Spatula
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Not immune from justice but shaming, threats, spamming bad reviews (for his practice which is irrelevant to his crime) shouldn't be something acceptable. It's retribution at its finest.
evil solrac v3.0
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If here were real death threats authorities would be involved by now. No one in his circle except his dental practice is being attacked with mild calls to not have his practice patronized.
That's what should happen.
Killing this lion does not help the environment ONE bit. Lion numbers are increasingly not sustainable that we can have things like this happen constantly.
I do talk to my local congressmen and senators (in NY in case you were curious) I donate to the WWF and have taken part in protests too. So my " credentials" are just as good as yours. What's your point?
Yes.
googleplex
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Of course he should be shamed. He did something extremely shameful! He's some wealthy sadistic asshole that mercilessly tortured a lion. You're basically saying "Oh well I guess he got away with it."
Fuck that. He deserves every bit of Internet justice coming his way and I'll shead not a single tear for his lively hood.
Never went to reddit but that is used everywhere tho', not only here.
What this guy did is bad. It was illegal and he ruined the lives of 25 other animals as a result. That's terrible. The whole situation with illegal poaching is enormously disappointing and the low population numbers on some beautiful and important animals is frightening.
On the other hand, the pure vitriol of people asking for the man to be hunted, tortured, put to death etc. is fucking disgusting.
Get your blood lust and mob-persecution tendencies in check when you type on the internet. Some of you in particular sound like sociopaths.
On the other hand, the pure vitriol of people asking for the man to be hunted, tortured, put to death etc. is fucking disgusting.
Get your blood lust and mob-persecution tendencies in check when you type on the internet. Some of you in particular sound like sociopaths.
There is no discussion because you have nothing.
The only way to discourage trophy hunting tourism is public shaming. I'm not cool with death threats but his dental practice is the funding source for illegal poaching. He has no one to blame but himself.
He not being shamed. People are targeting the business where looks like 20 other people work.
Oh well fuck those guys. Their boss did something I don't agree with. Nothing at all he did at work btw.
Its not OK however you spin it. This does nothing to stop the problem with big game hunting. Lets not use this to raise money to help protect the lions.
Fuck that it way more fun to try and ruined people lives.
Subpar Spatula
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The only way is public shaming? Education? Better laws regarding trophy hunting? Enforcement of these laws? Saying shaming is the only way is not helping your argument.
Yes. His work, his practice, is his source of income. Should his next job suffer the same? Chances are it will if mob justice has anything to say, he wouldn't be the first person to have his job prospects dramatically changed. If your argument is his source of income is part of the problem then making changes regarding trophy hunting will be difficult.
googleplex
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Again you're saying because he owns a business should be somehow immune to people ire. Maybe this asshole should have been thinking of his employees before he went and did something both disgusting and illegal.
Fuck him and his business.
onadesertedisland
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I think the backlash is a good way to curb behavior like this. I would like to see a ban on trophy hunting travel. If these people have fifty five grand they want to put towards conservation, let them, but not to go kill for pleasure.
lastplayed
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And in case you weren't sad enough a video of beautiful Cecil. His rapid eye blinking is a sign of trust and non-aggression.
Why. Why would anyone want to kill such an animal, he was just living his life. I really don't get it. It's beyond my comprehension.
Banana Stand
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Seriously. He was in a position of responsibility. The asshole failed his employees and he is solely responsible if the office is shut down, not the people posting yelp reviews.
You don't think it will cause the next rich asshole to think twice before he hands a briefcase full of cash over to poachers? I hope more international trophy hunters are called out and the whole gruesome business is cut off at the source.
Subpar Spatula
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The purpose of going after his business is not to inform the public his wrong doings, it's primarily to make him jobless and ultimately worthless. Him poaching isn't relevant to his dental practice. It won't stop him from being horrible, it won't fix his wrong doings, it won't help fight against poaching, it won't accomplish anything except sate some anger.
This won't cause people to think twice. Your best bet is helping improve conditions there (the place where the lions are) and educating people on how wrong it is.
Bobby Roberts
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This position is naive and unrealistic.
People being educated as to what the dentist in that area does with the money you give him to jab iron hooks into your head, and then choosing, based on that education, to no longer give that dentist money so that he can't spend that money going on illegal safaris and hunting rare animals illegally is a net positive.
The potential that the people he employs will be caught in the crossfire is shitty, but then again, it's not as if this is the last job they will ever have, and stances like yours absolutely depend on the idea that there will never be another job for these skilled people, and the loss of this job will inevitably lead to a lesser quality of life that will be really hard to come back from.
OR
It's just as possible the people working underneath him will recieve the governmental assistance that is their right as taxpayers until they find another dentist who isn't a bad person who does bad things so heinous that they become national news, and resume plying their trade for fair pay in the market.
But your position suggests that the bad person doing the bad thing not recieve any sort of social backlash for his shameful actions because the people underneath him must be spared.
It's sort of a weird mutation of compassion at play that has the benefit (such as it is) of never really forcing rich criminals to bear some semblance of responsbility for their harmful actions. It's like the concept of compassion is hollowed out and filled with a thick jelly of cynicism and encouragement.
googleplex
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Says you. If people are making a point of informing the public and his patients about what kind of psychopath he is. Then so be it! I sure as hell would want to have my kid's teeth worked on by this scumbag.
Maybe we could donate and they could set up a nice nature preserve where the lions are tagged and it's illegal to hunt them. That should keep them safe.
Please explain how you are going to eliminate the profit motive for illegal poachers without going after the trophy hunting tourists.
You understand hunting lions is legal? Seems he just didn't have the correct paperwork.
hunting big game is legal. Seems this guy just got ripped off.
The paperwork was not correct and that's why he got in trouble.
Easy Google search will show you can hurt lions in this nation for about $30k. This guy spent way more than that.
Tavares4Life
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John Fucking Cena m8
To be fair it will stop him from poaching so it's not entirely worthless to the effort of stopping poachers. The sad truth is that a person's business is an extension of themselves and thus if we punish his source of income it will punish him. It's not much different from people going after the vet that shot the cat with a crossbow. Only in this case he is the boss so the only way to hurt him is to hurt his business.
onadesertedisland
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Trophy hunting big game needs to go away. It's a relic of abhorrent human behavior. The myths about it permeate talking points and make the concept one that's still in contention, but it should not be. We don't socially accept dog fighting, bull fights, bull baiting, ext. And this is not acceptable either.
That Twitter account is linked from their site, so they've either lost control of it or are trying to pull a Protein World off the back of a decapitated lion.
https://twitter.com/RiverBlufDental/status/626109326512422913
I don't think they'll pull it off.
https://twitter.com/RiverBlufDental/status/626109326512422913
I don't think they'll pull it off.
Bobby Roberts
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googleplex
Member
Did he not lure this lion out of a protected area? He's a shitty poacher plain and simple.
Of course it will. He won't have the money to go on these expeditions anymore. That's the best we can hope for rather than dream about some pie in the sky scenario where these hunting clubs change their desire for money or the Zimbabwe government toughens its stance against poaching.
RPGCrazied
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They should catch him and give him over to the Zimbabwe people and throw him in jail there.
The people he hired did. Sure they do this all the time. This time they got caught because they killed the wrong one. Its why they tried to destroy the GPS. But they found the GPS tag. Thats how they got caught.
This is big business over there. Just Google search it...
You think this guy paid these guys $50k to just carry his arrows? If this was his plan he didn't need to pay someone $50k.
Just doesn't make any sense.
This big game hunts are just like a carter fishing trip.
Oh god they really don't understand what is going on. That is tone deaf as all hell. I really hope someone hijacked that twitter account.
Ok that restores some faith in humanity.
its a fake account. See above.
blankempathy
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Your argument is basically "nothing has happened yet so continue your hate". Like I said I'm not defending the guy and if you want to hate him go ahead. I hope nothing happens in this case to anyone around him that doesn't deserve it. But again, lets not pretend that it hasn't in the past. Not sure where you're even getting this whole thing where I said his employees or family or friends etc are being threatened. I never said that. I merely said it has happen and will continue to happen in incidents like this. Does that mean it will happen this time? No,
crazy monkey
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FUCK THE GUY. get him for poaching. out hum in for 15 years like other dudes.
If you are going to spend 50K to hunt an animal you should probably fucking know who you are dealing with.
thetrin
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The question answers itself, I think. Some people just get a boner from ending life. It makes them feel powerful.
Yeah, it's much wiser to give money to people in Zimbabwe that you know nothing about. Tens of thousands of dollars, in fact.
Someone faked a website registered since 1997?
dr3upmushroom
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Holy shit at their last tweet....
Sato Koiji
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The guys mentally sick. Calls it "big game" and kills animals for fun. Sad, sad soul and I hope his business dies.
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