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Amid Russia concerns, Comey's closed-door Hill visit results in uncanny silence

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Tovarisc

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Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, R-N.C. and other members of the Senate Intelligence Committee had a sub rosa meeting in the subterranean SCIF with FBI Director James Comey. The topic: Russian influence in last fall's election, leaks and undoubtedly, how someone exposed a phone call between former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and Moscow's Ambassador to Washington Sergey Kislyak.

Better yet, how did they intercept the call? Was it a mistake? Was Flynn under surveillance? Was there a super-secret warrant authorized by a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court?

Even so, why was the U.S. wiretapping one of its own citizens? FISA law expressly prohibits such eavesdropping. Were the participants on the call ”unmasked" because spooks were listening for something else and stumbled upon Flynn on the line?

Flynn is now out of a job but really a bystander in the whole operation.

”I want to know what the Russians have on Donald Trump?" demanded House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

Her fellow Democrats went further, invoking parlance from a malignant era not so long ago.

”Did the president know and when did he know it?" asked House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

Whatever the reason, it was enough for Burr to keep the meeting on the Q.T. and slash his way through back hallways just to make the briefing. Congressional sources wouldn't even confirm on the record that Comey was at the Capitol.

Reporters never would have known Comey was around had the director's lanky, 6-foot-8-inch frame and robust security detail not betrayed him as he made his way to the conclave.

Soon, other senators came and went from the meeting, but no one would stop to talk or even generally elaborate on the subjects discussed.

”It was a classified briefing," was all Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, offered.

”We made our non-statement, statement," declared Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Intelligence committee.

This was truly under the Cone of Silence.

after huddling with Comey for more than two hours, the senators didn't say anything.

They didn't have to. Their silence said everything.

There are classified briefings. And then there are classified briefings.

There is no issue as white hot in Washington about what's going on now with Russia, Flynn and potential issues between President Trump and Moscow.

It may be poor form, but lawmakers on both sides of Capitol routinely walk out of classified sessions, stop at a bank of microphones and immediately spill things to the press.

It's not that they openly cough up classified or sensitive information to reporters. Sometimes the lawmakers grouse that they didn't learn anything in those briefings that they hadn't already read in the paper.

The fact that none of that jawboning unfolded following Friday's covert Comey confab reveals how vital the session truly was. The reticence revealed how sensitive the information may be.

This is always the challenge when reporting on intelligence matters.

Reporters never have the full story. They can't. The information is classified. It's illegal for those in the intelligence community, aides and lawmakers to publicly unveil top-secret material.

The leaks about Flynn say a lot about him and his political adversaries.

There were no leaks or even vague comments following Comey's session. This was a stark contrast to how things usually go down on Capitol Hill.


Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...sults-is-uncanny-silence-among-lawmakers.html

Very long way to say that some serious intel was shared and made everyone lose their tongues.

edit: ffs, didn't notice title was fucked :/
 
Comey at this point should just serenade Trump.

All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm
 

Bleepey

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So Comey, why didn't you tell people that Trump is being blackmailed. Like, Hilary's emails were front page news for like a fortnight.
 
There is definitely something going on.
Whether it's just looking over their options, an imminent attempt to remove Trump, or some situation out of their control that's about to go down, but something is happening.
 

antonz

Member
Wow for nobody to say anything after meeting means that it must be some top secret security clearance-need to know basis shit.

That's been the biggest takeaway from the meeting. These kind of top clearance meetings happen but people always speak or give winks and nods. The fact there is complete silence raises a lot of questions
 
Yeah, this is obviously ballooning up by the day to become something truly big (not that it's not big already, but it's not quite hit that level of 'real'). The real question really comes down to what happens next. If it's what it looks like, it's going to end up in so many bad things worldwide, and could see the end of the American Republic if it's seen to its conclusion. I don't know, I really don't think since the Civil War has our future as a country been as unconcern as it is now.
 
It's probably super classified still since any leads they have haven't come up with hard evidence yet and they can't lose those leads.
 

Zophar

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It's probably super classified still since any leads they have haven't come up with hard evidence yet and they can't lose those leads.
I think this is my take too. It tells me the IC is a lot further along in investigating this than the press, and it's turning up real stuff.
 
I think this is my take too. It tells me the IC is a lot further along in investigating this than the press, and it's turning up real stuff.

Yeah but cant Comey at least release some vague bullshit letter that gets published saying that "we may or may not have found anything, we will get back to you" so as to start tanking Trump's presidency?
 

iamblades

Member
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.
 

HariKari

Member
Yeah but cant Comey at least release some vague bullshit letter that gets published saying that "we may or may not have found anything, we will get back to you" so as to start tanking Trump's presidency?

I think the whole point of meeting in the SCIF is to not tip their hand just yet, see what happens. Comey may be pro-Trump and trying to derail things, impossible to know.
 

antonz

Member
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.

Whistleblowers are the only course of action when the information is provided to the proper authorities and they ignore it or choose to not act.
 

Steel

Banned
Shoulda asked them if their support for Trump is still the same. Like ask the pubs how they feel about Trump.

I think the whole point of meeting in the SCIF is to not tip their hand just yet, see what happens. Comey may be pro-Trump and trying to derail things, impossible to know.

I mean, Comey was more than happy to comment on ongoing investigations during the election.
 
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.

leaks out of the executive branch have always happened. difference is trump is so corrupt that the leaks could be treasonous and potentially take him down, rather than simply rumblings of possible EOs and shit

Whistleblowers are the only course of action when the information is provided to the proper authorities and they ignore it or choose to not act.

dingding
 
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.

By the same token, though, everything Trump is doing is an even worse precedent.
 

HariKari

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We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.

Most of the people at those agencies have spent their lives protecting the interests of the United States, through various administrations. If they 'leak' something, it's for a purpose. The security and future of the nation might be at stake.

Trump also has so many enemies around him that it's impossible to say who is leaking what.
 

-Plasma Reus-

Service guarantees member status
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.

The IC is sworn the protect the constitution, not to swear allegiance a president or a party.
 

Beartruck

Member
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.
So its better for a corrupt traitor selling out his country to continue unabated? Give me a break.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.
We are not a democracy. Millions of mpre people voted for Hillary than for Trump. Millions.
 

iamblades

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Whistleblowers are the only course of action when the information is provided to the proper authorities and they ignore it or choose to not act.

These aren't whistleblowers. This is the national security establishment rebelling against the elected government. These are career spies using their power to wield influence over the political process to push foreign policy in the direction they want it to go, rather than the direction that the voters chose.

This is coming from someone who abhors Trumps foreign policy and his open admiration of totalitarian dictators.
 
Yeah but cant Comey at least release some vague bullshit letter that gets published saying that "we may or may not have found anything, we will get back to you" so as to start tanking Trump's presidency?

Well, would that really be any different than the situation now?
 

iamblades

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The IC is sworn the protect the constitution, not to swear allegiance a president or a party.

The intelligence agencies have completely ignored the 4th amendment for decades and lied under oath about it.

They don't give a shit about the constitution, they care about their own power.
 
These aren't whistleblowers. This is the national security establishment rebelling against the elected government. These are career spies using their power to wield influence over the political process to push foreign policy in the direction they want it to go, rather than the direction that the voters chose.

This is coming from someone who abhors Trumps foreign policy and his open admiration of totalitarian dictators.

That is not what's happening, and if this is what you're taking back from this, your ass needs to read again.
 

wandering

Banned
These aren't whistleblowers. This is the national security establishment rebelling against the elected government. These are career spies using their power to wield influence over the political process to push foreign policy in the direction they want it to go, rather than the direction that the voters chose.

This is coming from someone who abhors Trumps foreign policy and his open admiration of totalitarian dictators.

The spooks have always been a force of their own, not much you can do
 
These aren't whistleblowers. This is the national security establishment rebelling against the elected government. These are career spies using their power to wield influence over the political process to push foreign policy in the direction they want it to go, rather than the direction that the voters chose.

This is coming from someone who abhors Trumps foreign policy and his open admiration of totalitarian dictators.

If you oppose Trump but you're not willing to do what's necessary to get him out of power you're just as bad as his supporters.
 
That is not what's happening, and if this is what you're taking back from this, your ass needs to read again.

seriously mate needs to go catch up on what's going on before acting like our executive branch is being oppressed.

im sure you think nixon was a victim eh?
 
These aren't whistleblowers. This is the national security establishment rebelling against the elected government. These are career spies using their power to wield influence over the political process to push foreign policy in the direction they want it to go, rather than the direction that the voters chose.

This is coming from someone who abhors Trumps foreign policy and his open admiration of totalitarian dictators.

inb4 Deep State
 
These aren't whistleblowers. This is the national security establishment rebelling against the elected government. These are career spies using their power to wield influence over the political process to push foreign policy in the direction they want it to go, rather than the direction that the voters chose.

This is coming from someone who abhors Trumps foreign policy and his open admiration of totalitarian dictators.

This is just about the only way for anyone to do anything against this man. You would rather they sit back and let his tyranny continue unchecked? I don't understand what you're even trying to argue.
 

Toki767

Member
I don't understand how people still don't realize that they weren't spying on Flynn.

They were merely monitoring the Russian Ambassador. Which is standard protocol.
 

iamblades

Member
If you oppose Trump but you're not willing to do what's necessary to get him out of power you're just as bad as his supporters.

Ends justify the means has never been a valid argument to me.

It is very possible for this kind of stuff to make things much much worse.

The way to fight against trump is for congress to take back its constitutional authority. To actually grow a spine for once, they have the power, fucking use it.

Not for unelected spies to push things the way they want, that shit is dangerous.
 

MUnited83

For you.
I am no fan of having a conspiracy theorist nutjob as a national security adviser, and I am certainly not a fan of the Trump administrations attitudes towards Russia, but the way this all went down is pretty damned terrifying.

We are effectively no longer a democracy if the CIA and the NSA can undermine an elected government by selectively leaking classified information to the press.

This is not a good precedent for the future.

You are no longer a democracy. The person with the most votes didn't win. The person in power right now is literally trying to undermine every other branch of government. He's a wannabe dictator and it's the IC's duty to guarantee he doesn't get to be a real one.
 
Ends justify the means has never been a valid argument to me.

It is very possible for this kind of stuff to make things much much worse.

The way to fight against trump is for congress to take back its constitutional authority. To actually grow a spine for once, they have the power, fucking use it.

Not for unelected spies to push things the way they want, that shit is dangerous.

1. They won't.
2. The intelligence community has always been partisan, don't act like they have much integrity.
 

antonz

Member
I don't understand how people still don't realize that they weren't spying on Flynn.

They were merely monitoring the Russian Ambassador. Which is standard protocol.

The FBI did in October finally get a FISA court to approve warrants for investigations into the Trump campaign team etc. FBI and IC may very well have had Flynn under watch as well as the obvious foreign watches
 
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