Empyrean Heaven
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Nowinstock reports that Little Mac, Pit, Marth, and WFT are all available on Amazon, but I can't even access them, wtf?
Amiibo Discussion Thread 2: I Got 99 Pre-orders But A Rosalina Ain't One
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MADGAME
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They've been de-listed, Duckman. Nowinstock is struggling to keep up. Mine has caught up and shows out of stock, but for a while all the de-listeds were showing available. If you leave the page open it will catch up.
It isn't worth risking jail time for chinese bootleg Elsas bro.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Do you remember the fact that he had a friend with neogaf account so he can ask his friend to check your message? It don't really matter if you spoilered it or not.
You and someone already quoted my comment so it's too late.
Really weird. The page now isn't showing any wave 1 except Fox. And not much from wave 3. Gotta just be a mistake?
What good would spoiler tags do? Can't non-members see that the same as all of us?
Fox Mulder
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You can only scalp something that's limited in supply. It's nintendos fault for not meeting demand. If these were everywhere, the scalpers would move on.
Glitchesarecool
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Oh no, stop this. It's not Nintendo's fault that people are assholes.
Eh, is what it is. Can't stop terrible people doing what they do. We can try to balance that out by being kind and loving to one another in this community. I've seen people give away rare Amiibos that were worth $60+ on eBay to a fellow Ammibro/Gal just because they needed it to finish their collection. I know I'm willing to go in store and pick up any missing Amiibo someone else needs.
Fox Mulder
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Scalpers are a reality of the market that everyone has to deal with. Nintendo is the only one that consistently has troubles with it though. I also think they like seeing it happen.
He always said he had imported some of his Rosalinas. Look there is nothing that can be done about it. The guy IS going to make some serious money and he's not going to give a crap how he made it or what we say about it. Let him have his money but there's no reason to keep on giving him the attention he so desperately craves.
Just a follow-up, I peeked at the Amazon seller forums and there was a discussion about the MM 3DS XL getting so many negative reviews due to the scalpers and how it might end up changing policies on these items. It might seem weird, but Amazon cares a lot about the reviews that users leave for items. I wonder if that's behind the potential change.
Fox Mulder
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Amazon needs to stop letting people post reviews on things they haven't bought. That'll stop review shitting easily.
Maintenance
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So scalpers can post hundreds of reviews, right?
This is what makes me avoid this thread, ffs. Too many scalpers.
orthodoxy1095
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Not true. I had some extra GameCube adapters that I sold before Christmas so I could buy Christmas presents for my family. Am I an asshole? Maybe. But if Nintendo wasn't incompetent and met the demand themselves, I wouldn't have been able to make a profit. People selling rare and limited quantity items to make money is a reality of the marketplace since...well forever.
Hah, yeah, I've thought that for years. Not sure why they still allow it at all.
Oh, I also thought of another time when Amazon restricted Nintendo items; you aren't allowed to sell Pokemon games as a third-party reseller without Nintendo permission due to the flood of bootlegs. So there is some precedent...could be interesting.
Seems like they already have the system in place, only allow verified purchases to leave a review. Or, at the very least disable reviews on an item until after it releases.
There are some people that will call you that, I won't. They call me the same thing. I've come to accept that some people will always hate scalpers and that's their right. So I just stopped engaging them.
Not sure if I want to get into this deep of a discussion at 8:40 am, and god knows I don't want to disagree with my amiibros/amiigals. 
I think, if you want to argue that morally/ethically scalping is wrong, then yeah -- philosophically, you would put the blame on the individual who is doing the very thing you think is wrong (although keep in mind if you are approaching it from this aspect, not everyone shares the same moral compass of what is right or wrong. Certainly, scalpers won't agree with you).
But I still think this comes back to Nintendo not handling Amiibos right. They've completely under-supplied them. They have failed to support them properly (if they want to say they didn't know they would sell this well, okay. But there is no excuse for them discontinuing amiibos that only had one run, and that were supply constrained to begin with). So in terms of physical terms of cause and effect, Nintendo NOT supplying these enough, certainly does causing scalping. If you want to argue that people still make their own choices, that's fine.
Although keep in mind, scalpers would not exist, if consumers weren't willing to pay the insane prices scalpers list. Consumers play a role in scalpers existing too. It's a result of a company NOT selling a product that people want badly.
I think, if you want to argue that morally/ethically scalping is wrong, then yeah -- philosophically, you would put the blame on the individual who is doing the very thing you think is wrong (although keep in mind if you are approaching it from this aspect, not everyone shares the same moral compass of what is right or wrong. Certainly, scalpers won't agree with you).
But I still think this comes back to Nintendo not handling Amiibos right. They've completely under-supplied them. They have failed to support them properly (if they want to say they didn't know they would sell this well, okay. But there is no excuse for them discontinuing amiibos that only had one run, and that were supply constrained to begin with). So in terms of physical terms of cause and effect, Nintendo NOT supplying these enough, certainly does causing scalping. If you want to argue that people still make their own choices, that's fine.
Although keep in mind, scalpers would not exist, if consumers weren't willing to pay the insane prices scalpers list. Consumers play a role in scalpers existing too. It's a result of a company NOT selling a product that people want badly.
orthodoxy1095
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It's not like I held a gun to anyone's head. They freely chose to buy the items when I threw them on Amazon. I did it because it turned out I didn't need them and I wanted to make some money so I could buy gifts for my family.
I agree with what MADGAME said earlier, while Nintendo is at fault here for having limited quantities, it's also on the consumer if they choose to buy something at an absurd price. No one is forcing them to buy the item. If these were basic items necessary for life like food, medicine, clothes and water, I'd say yeah, scalping that would make you an asshole. However, Nintendo products have become rare and limited collector's items. Of course people want to make some money, and it's not like you NEED to buy them at exorbitant prices.
Not sure if I want to get into this deep of a discussion at 8:40 am, and god knows I don't want to disagree with my amiibros/amiigals.
I think, if you want to argue that morally/ethically scalping is wrong, then yeah -- philosophically, you would put the blame on the individual who is doing the very thing you think is wrong (although keep in mind if you are approaching it from this aspect, not everyone shares the same moral compass of what is right or wrong. Certainly, scalpers won't agree with you).
But I still think this comes back to Nintendo not handling Amiibos right. They've completely under-supplied them. They have failed to support them properly (if they want to say they didn't know they would sell this well, okay. But there is no excuse for them discontinuing amiibos that only had one run, and that were supply constrained to begin with). So in terms of physical terms of cause and effect, Nintendo NOT supplying these enough, certainly does causing scalping. If you want to argue that people still make their own choices, that's fine.
Although keep in mind, scalpers would not exist, if consumers weren't willing to pay the insane prices scalpers list. Consumers play a role in scalpers existing too. It's a result of a company NOT selling a product that people want badly.
Yeah. I think it's pretty obvious that the blame falls solely on Nintendo for mismanaging this whole thing. It's like they don't believe in their own product or something.
I've been a third-party seller and done this sort of thing before myself and I don't know, I don't like to question peoples' morality when it comes to something like this. In the end I always felt it was a question of scale.
If I sold one or two rare items that I happened across that was one thing; say it was in an out-of-the-way shop, the odds were unlikely that anyone who truly wanted them would happen to find them. In this manner some of the profit came from bearing the risk of buying those items upfront and being the one to redistribute it to a wider market. There's value there and I think it's unfair to expect someone to resell at cost when you have to factor in opportunity cost, risk, transportation, etc. I always contributed some of my profits to food banks, too, so I saw that as a way of giving back.
On the other hand, I never felt comfortable competing with others in the wider marketplace and taking "more than my share" to then resell to the have-nots...ehh personally, I'm not okay with that morally. On the other hand, I have the luxury of not needing that money to make the rent or buy groceries. I suspect I'd feel differently were I in that position, so it's hard to judge.
Oh, but yes in this situation the blame primarily falls on Nintendo. Even if they don't want to manufacture more there are ways to control the market to their advantage, as I've outlined previously.
ThisBeJason sent me his extra Rosalina. Since he's in North Cali (and I'm South), I should get it by tomorrow. Meaning, Rosalina will be in my display case tomorrow! I will bust out my DSLR camera this time, and take some really nice pics of the display case, and in particular Rosalina's amiibo.
I can't thank ThisBeJason enough. I honestly didn't want anyone to give me Rosalina. I don't like people to gift me things. I know, I'm hypocritical. I like to give things away, but am not good at accepting. Especially because I am well off, I don't ever like anyone else to have to spend a cent on me. It's why I'll never accept payment or shipping when I give away free Amiibos on here to people that need them.
But man, Rosalina was always the ONE Amiibo I wanted more then any of them. Purely because, she's my favorite character. So when I got into this, it got of broke my heart to know I missed out on her pre-orders, and that she was a Target only exclusive. I spent a week + glued to my computer, trying to find ways to get her. So I was really really bummed when I missed out several times, and also when I made some poor choices (pre-ordering on the wrong site).
ThisBeJason wants the US version of Rosalina, so if I'm able to score her on the 1st, he gets mine. Since I'll have his extra in my display case, which means I don't need Rosalina anymore. So any Rosalina's i get on the 1st will be 100% for the community. I will give them away free. I also will get 1-2 extra of each Wave 3 I see, and will also give them away free on here. I'll look on the google doc and see who needs them (which users weren't able to secure them at their stores).
I am beyond happy. I don't think a gift has ever meant more to me than this one. I was shaking when he told me he was sending it. I'm still in shock tbh that he sent it. I know it's just a $12 toy, but at least to me, it means more to me then that. Given all the shit I'm going through right now emotionally, it means a lot to me.
I can't thank ThisBeJason enough. I honestly didn't want anyone to give me Rosalina. I don't like people to gift me things. I know, I'm hypocritical. I like to give things away, but am not good at accepting. Especially because I am well off, I don't ever like anyone else to have to spend a cent on me. It's why I'll never accept payment or shipping when I give away free Amiibos on here to people that need them.
But man, Rosalina was always the ONE Amiibo I wanted more then any of them. Purely because, she's my favorite character. So when I got into this, it got of broke my heart to know I missed out on her pre-orders, and that she was a Target only exclusive. I spent a week + glued to my computer, trying to find ways to get her. So I was really really bummed when I missed out several times, and also when I made some poor choices (pre-ordering on the wrong site).
ThisBeJason wants the US version of Rosalina, so if I'm able to score her on the 1st, he gets mine. Since I'll have his extra in my display case, which means I don't need Rosalina anymore. So any Rosalina's i get on the 1st will be 100% for the community. I will give them away free. I also will get 1-2 extra of each Wave 3 I see, and will also give them away free on here. I'll look on the google doc and see who needs them (which users weren't able to secure them at their stores).
I am beyond happy. I don't think a gift has ever meant more to me than this one. I was shaking when he told me he was sending it. I'm still in shock tbh that he sent it. I know it's just a $12 toy, but at least to me, it means more to me then that. Given all the shit I'm going through right now emotionally, it means a lot to me.
Not sure if I want to get into this deep of a discussion at 8:40 am, and god knows I don't want to disagree with my amiibros/amiigals.
I think, if you want to argue that morally/ethically scalping is wrong, then yeah -- philosophically, you would put the blame on the individual who is doing the very thing you think is wrong (although keep in mind if you are approaching it from this aspect, not everyone shares the same moral compass of what is right or wrong. Certainly, scalpers won't agree with you).
But I still think this comes back to Nintendo not handling Amiibos right. They've completely under-supplied them. They have failed to support them properly (if they want to say they didn't know they would sell this well, okay. But there is no excuse for them discontinuing amiibos that only had one run, and that were supply constrained to begin with). So in terms of physical terms of cause and effect, Nintendo NOT supplying these enough, certainly does causing scalping. If you want to argue that people still make their own choices, that's fine.
Although keep in mind, scalpers would not exist, if consumers weren't willing to pay the insane prices scalpers list. Consumers play a role in scalpers existing too. It's a result of a company NOT selling a product that people want badly.
Very well said, Azula. As somebody that resells occasionally (not even close to 100 Rosalina douche levels) I understand that what I do is ethically questionable. I make that decision for myself understanding that there will be people mad about it. I can reason that the richest people in the world most likely didn't get that way ethically, but hey in the end it's just all words and it doesn't make it right. I do know though that there are people that want that extra amiibo I sell because they can't find it and if they want to pay me $50 because it's worth that to them, that's their call. I don't force them. This is a plastic figure, its not a need.
Until it's made illegal or until the supply is met it's going to continue. It is what it is.
You can justify it however you want in your head or shift the blame around. That's cool.
If you look deep down inside, you know buying multiples of something retail that you don't really want just to resell it at ridiculous prices is not a nice thing to do. It's not a situation you'd want to be in if you were the person who was left without.
No, it's not life or death and yeah, Nintendo should have kept up with demand better and people should calm the fuck down and never feed scalpers, but it's still an asshole thing to do.
I'm not saying I'd be above doing it if I found something rare at a garage sale or swap meet, I'm just saying I wouldn't brag about it.
If you look deep down inside, you know buying multiples of something retail that you don't really want just to resell it at ridiculous prices is not a nice thing to do. It's not a situation you'd want to be in if you were the person who was left without.
No, it's not life or death and yeah, Nintendo should have kept up with demand better and people should calm the fuck down and never feed scalpers, but it's still an asshole thing to do.
I'm not saying I'd be above doing it if I found something rare at a garage sale or swap meet, I'm just saying I wouldn't brag about it.
ThisBeJason
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Maybe I'm wrong. I need to do more research haha
So glad to hear that you are getting your Rosalina, Azula. I know it can be tough to accept gifts/help, but you have to remember that the great feeling you have by helping others is something that others want to take part of as well! I don't think it comes down to money at that point. Everyone is here to help each other out. 
I am hoping that new new wave is actually not that hard to get and the big N is just controlling the pre-order numbers. What stops scalpers is when they buy a bunch of something and get burned on it. Then the market will be more stable. It may not happen with this next wave, but eventually it will.
Empyrean Heaven
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Yeah, it's probably because they're all linking to Zelda, which is available. It's probably a glitch in the system.
Good question. I don't we know for certain. With just 10 days until February we remain largely clueless while those in Europe are already seeing some sent out. It's a sad situation.
Any extra Rosalina's I get, I'll give away free, as I don't need one now. If anyone can't get to Target on the 1st, and wants me to try to get them one, PM me. I'm compiling a list now, and whatever extra's me and my gf get, will go in the order of the people that messaged me. ThisBeJason of course will be the first person on the list.
I lost a lot of PMs by accident (deleted them on my phone). So if you have messaged me before, message me again. Here is a list of amiibos I have going out:
* Villager (EU). It comes in tomorrow, I will send it out free to Masked Man as I promised.
* Marth (EU). Comes in this week. Bought it for kierwynn and will send it out as soon as it comes in.
* Fox (US) two of them come in today. I will send out one to Brian tomorrow.
* I have ONE extra Fox if anyone needs it.
* I've promised to buy three people in here Villagers off Amazon.de in Feb. I also have some other people I will get Amiibos for that they needed.
MADGAME
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Nice, I won't be giving away free but will either trade for one I need or sell at exact cost + shipping to Gaffers. Hoping to stock up to ensure we all get what we want.
I'm not justifying their actions and freeing them of blame. I'm explaining why it happens. There is a cause and effect. Maybe you are right it's not fair to BLAME Nintendo. That we shouldn't blame the actual scalping on them. Okay. I can buy that.
But Nintendo still has done an awful job managing these, and that plays a big part in creating a market that causes scalping. Essentially you have scalpers, who are supplying consumers with a product Nintendo doesn't have to sell them. Consumers WILLING to pay that insane price, is a result of Nintendo not having the supply to meet the demand of these consumers.
Again, if you want to say scalping is unethical and immoral. Okay. Then I understand your point of view that, people are ultimately making their own choices (and are therefore, 100% to blame for scalping). I won't even argue against that. But I still think the reality is, scalping wouldn't even be a thing, if Nintendo didn't discontinue these, and did a better job supplying them. It's just cause and effect. It's the practical reality of the situation .
I'll take that Fox.
Are you missing Fox from your collection? I kind of want to make sure these go to a place where they are missing from someone's collection (ie. don't want someone getting it just to have a double of it). Sorry for asking that. Should have clarified in my post.
IF...you don't have a Fox, then 100% it's yours FREE. I'll pay for shipping. Just send me your address via PM.
I originally wanted a box collection on NA Amiibos... The reality is that it's almost next to impossible with the current situation. I decided I'm just going to try my luck with the foreign market. I bit the bullet and preorder the SM wave from amazon.jp. At least I know I have a chance of actually getting the items.
ShinRPGamer
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Congrats on getting the Rosalina amiibo, Azula!
Congrats on getting your Rosalina, Azula! She's one of my favorite characters and most-wanted amiibos. Mine's on the way from France. I half expect Target to have plenty for everyone in store on the 1st, but I love the security of not needing to worry about it -- just in case
Going to feel foolish if Target has a bunch on the 1st. That said, I'll just chalk it up to me having stress because I'm dealing with PTSD/ remission from my cancer. I hope most understand what I'm going through, and will look past that. I'm really embarrassed, and I'm so sorry to everyone if my issues ever spilled out in here.
I promise it won't happen again.
That said, I actually hope Target has a bunch. Would love to be able to get extras, so I can hook up people in this community that can't make it to a Target.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I don't know why people kept bringing up with scalpers again. I think it might be better if people just let it go with scalpers. The blames should be placed on Nintendo for mismanaging the stocks and made it incredible hard to get for some people.
I'm trying to keep myself neutral with scalpers because they probably need money on their table for important reason. I don't really approve any arrogant scalpers' actions where they would rub it right in other people's faces or constantly reminded people about it.
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Edited: I would appreciate it if some people would get backup amiibo for other people here. I really need a comfort blanket in case if I didn't get any. Of course, I would buy extra amiibo if I can.
I'm trying to keep myself neutral with scalpers because they probably need money on their table for important reason. I don't really approve any arrogant scalpers' actions where they would rub it right in other people's faces or constantly reminded people about it.
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Edited: I would appreciate it if some people would get backup amiibo for other people here. I really need a comfort blanket in case if I didn't get any. Of course, I would buy extra amiibo if I can.
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