Analyst on Wii U: "Competitive position has deteriorated", "No Activision support".
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Yup, and these same kind of studies usually claim 50% (or more) of gamers are female
they're pointless
DisenLedZep
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1. Why is graphic power the main issue here? PS2/GC era prove this wrong. Wii/PS3/360 era prove this wrong, again. So... why is this "underpower" still an issue? The point is that WiiU has more power (a lot more) than Wii. So, if we take what the Wii has done, and think bigger, we might get an idea of where this is going.
2. Why are we starting to compare home consoles to iPads? I'm not against considering the iPad a gaming device, in fact, I think it's a nice game device. But is not on the same level as a home console or PC. Gameplay wise, game quality wise, functionality wise, is not the same. Gaming is an option of the iPad. Gaming is the main purpose of a home console.
3. What is this whole: "If Activision is not in, then it's doomed" thingy? Activision didn't support the Wii either. Nintendo is a rare case. Is like a one man band. They do their hardware, have excellent in house games, and has 5 to 10 third party exclusives that are great. This is all what Nintendo needs to still succed with the WiiU.
So, taking this 3 points, why the fuck is this Gibson claiming to avoid Nintendo stocks? I know it's just an advice, but this is part of the problem right here. Living up to rumors is not doing anything good to Nintendo. So they better step up, and cut that "We don't comment on rumor or speculation" and start bringing facts.
E3 is going to be wonderful btw.
2. Why are we starting to compare home consoles to iPads? I'm not against considering the iPad a gaming device, in fact, I think it's a nice game device. But is not on the same level as a home console or PC. Gameplay wise, game quality wise, functionality wise, is not the same. Gaming is an option of the iPad. Gaming is the main purpose of a home console.
3. What is this whole: "If Activision is not in, then it's doomed" thingy? Activision didn't support the Wii either. Nintendo is a rare case. Is like a one man band. They do their hardware, have excellent in house games, and has 5 to 10 third party exclusives that are great. This is all what Nintendo needs to still succed with the WiiU.
So, taking this 3 points, why the fuck is this Gibson claiming to avoid Nintendo stocks? I know it's just an advice, but this is part of the problem right here. Living up to rumors is not doing anything good to Nintendo. So they better step up, and cut that "We don't comment on rumor or speculation" and start bringing facts.
E3 is going to be wonderful btw.
staticneuron
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Uhhh
When the top game on that list is Wii Sports at 76 million units, that should have been your first clue that it is most likely not on region alone.
I don't see how anything Apple has at the minute is a threat to Nintendo's home console market.
Nintendo's bread and butter is local multiplayer in front of a television. I'd argue that their focus on that aspect of video games whilst their competitors barely acknowledged it was a huge reason for their success with the Wii. Nothing that Apple currently has competes in that space.
Nintendo's bread and butter is local multiplayer in front of a television. I'd argue that their focus on that aspect of video games whilst their competitors barely acknowledged it was a huge reason for their success with the Wii. Nothing that Apple currently has competes in that space.
Kind agree with the rest, except #3.
Maybe not "exclusives" but Call of Duty (all but MW2), Guitar Hero, DJ Hero, Skylanders, Spider-man..and many more..all sold great too (except DJ Hero
)They were also the firsts to release Wii retail-games with DLC (Guitar Hero) and even allow patches (Black Ops).
Fess
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It has already struck twice, with the DS, and it looks like the 3DS is on track for a third lightning strike since it's selling faster than the DS.
Why did the DS succeed?
Stylus precision, dual screens, new gameplay style.
The Wii?
New gameplay style, first party quality software.
And what's the selling point for WiiU?
Stylus precision, new gameplay style, dual screens, and most likely first party quality software.
Why are we doubting WiiU again?
Nintendo might not go after the people that only likes powerful hardware, those people will turn to PC in a year anyway since PC will always be the best choice if that's what you like, but Nintendo is definitely going after their own customers and people that likes new experiences, and judging by the DS and Wii sucess there are quite a few of those out there. Nintendo will do just fine.
DaSorcerer7
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DisenLedZep
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Kind agree with the rest, except #3.
Maybe not "exclusives" but Call of Duty (all but MW2), Guitar Hero, DJ Hero, Skylanders, Spider-man..and many more..all sold great too (except DJ Hero
They were also the firsts to release Wii games with DLC (Guitar Hero) and even allow patches (Black Ops).
You're right. But my point is that Nintendo is not doomed if they don't have any Activision games. Sure, they will be losing great amounts of money, but it's not their main source. Never was, never will.
I think a big part of Activision not involving has to do with the partnership that Nintendo has done with EA with their online service. And we all know that EA and Activision are not the best buds there.
Regarding this, online system, I'm terrified. This is what should people care about... not only raw power. If Nintendo misses this oportunity to make an open online console (that admits something like Steam), then... we can call it a day. If this console manages to be Origin only... then, it's all over
at least for me
Do you honestly call what Activision has done in this generation, regarding the Wii, support? The good ones that come to my mind are:
Goldeneye
Guitar Hero (in all it's forms)
aaaand...?
There are many reason of why the Wii U might struggle.
None of which are :
- Wii U GPU being weaker than Ps3's (won't happen).
- Lack of Activision Support (won't happen)
- Lack of Konami (or Kojima Productions?) support.
- Nintendo not supporting iOS.
The worst analysis I have seen in a while.
None of which are :
- Wii U GPU being weaker than Ps3's (won't happen).
- Lack of Activision Support (won't happen)
- Lack of Konami (or Kojima Productions?) support.
- Nintendo not supporting iOS.
The worst analysis I have seen in a while.
Seriously. Goldeneye Wii, CoD (with their own homebrewed patching scheme), Skylanders lead platform.. the only reason they aren't talking much about their Wii U projects is that nobody can talk about their Wii U projects until Nintendo lifts the gag order.
Oh, and their Guitar Hero DLC was outselling Rock Band's on Wii as well. Even made a special DS multiplayer mode that linked up with the Wii Guitar Heroes that wasn't on the other consoles.
toddhunter
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Same level? The very same thing could be said (and was!) for the wii compared to the 360 or PS3. Didn't quite turn out that way. Not the same level today? Maybe, but things change very fast and we are talking about a year or two down the track. You can't really ignore the direction the industry is going when trying to guess where it will all end up.
Hardware wise? Fair call. But what they do have is a massive and growing customer base heavily invested in their app store, which certainly includes gaming and a lot of it (people can scoff at the quality or whatever but again this is the same as the wii). Fixing the lack of hardware wouldn't be difficult at all. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony can't afford to sit back and wait for them to catch up, because I think there will be big trouble if they will.
There seems to be an attitude that the ipad isn't a console threat today so it can be disregarded. This is not correct. By building up such a customer base, Apple are in the position where they could move if they wanted to, putting especially Nintendo at a difficult position competitively. The current players in the industry can't just wait for it to happen and start reacting and they are not. Nintendo are clearly trying to head it off with the Wii U and Microsoft's strategy with windows 8 is pretty transparent. Sony don't seem to know what they are doing, but that is another issue.
The question in my mind (and the article) is if the wii U will be sufficient to compete in the worst case. When considering stock investments, this is a pretty good idea to think about. I don't know enough about it yet to make a call, but I have my doubts. Nintendo games will always sell, but if it doesn't reach the same success the price will fall...which means buying it now may not be the best idea as the author stated.
So I am ok with this analysis.
Your bet is that the stock price goes down in the next two months? I don't see it, the price has gone up since I bought it two months ago.
DaSorcerer7
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Activision has already gone record pledging support for the system.
walking fiend
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Have 'Nintendo' announced anything but Pikmin 3?
NDAs are for a reason.
What's pretty interesting is how he twists the facts to his own favor:
96% of gamers play in their home; so they prefer a tablet to a home console. WTF?!!
shinra-bansho
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Numbers need updating.
Nintendo's cash stood at $7B last quarter. They ate through $3B in the last 9 months of 2011. That sort of burn rate certainly isn't lasting 100 years.
Where do these analysts come from? Their predictions are so off the wall wrong I have a hard time believing they're even legitimate industry figures.
Also: under powered or not, I will be getting a Wii-U. I love the tablet-console setup and first party Nintendo games are always a treat. Frankly, this generation is ending too soon anyhow...I could easily survive another 5 years on 360/PS3 graphics.
Also: under powered or not, I will be getting a Wii-U. I love the tablet-console setup and first party Nintendo games are always a treat. Frankly, this generation is ending too soon anyhow...I could easily survive another 5 years on 360/PS3 graphics.
DisenLedZep
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Wasn't that due to the yen value and the whole "crisis" of japanese business?
I might be wrong though.
specialguy
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$100 million a year isn't "hemorrhaging" in the video game business. You can run through billions a year...heck Microsoft took a $1 billion write off just for RROD...
The Dutch Slayer
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Well if WiiU wants to sell to non Nintendo fans in 2012, they really need COD: Black Ops 2 to be on par with 360, PC and ps3.
They missed an entire marked this gen with not having "proper" COD on their consoles.
They missed an entire marked this gen with not having "proper" COD on their consoles.
brianmcdoogle
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I had this feeling when the Wii U was first shown last year. I felt no excitement, and then I wondered why I felt no excitement, and I thought it was my fault... when it wasn't. I hope Nintendo does well, but, for the first time in my following the company, I am fearful.
jump_button
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when as a Analyst been right? never and they a lot more it more powerful but they dont get the headlines
but im not jack
That would have to do with the yen issues no? Either that or they have been on an incredible spending spree...which would be rather interesting.
StoppedInTracks
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Has any console received this kind of hate, loathing and backlash a whole fucking YEAR before it got released?
Is there any media outlet that has positive stance on the Wii U and is not nintendopower.com or some other fan site?
Is there any media outlet that has positive stance on the Wii U and is not nintendopower.com or some other fan site?
walking fiend
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Has in any generation a vastly graphically inferior console outsold its competition by far, and made people feel insecure?
WiiU is the successor to that console!
jump_button
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Its Big N every one got it in they head that them failing and going under a good idea they just want them to go 3rd party so they can play they games on the twins.
We all know that work out well for Sega..... they as good as they use to be
staticneuron
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Lol, the PS2 was easy on the PS2 after it had been on market for some time. Before and during launch, the PS2 was attacked on many fronts, from people disappointed in graphics, to shipment issues and even the difficulty of programming complaints were there in the first year. Let us not forget the DRE's. It wasn't until most of that blew over did PS2 become shinning overall. They had detractors at first.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998343,00.html
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The Playstation 3. Ever since the price announcement at E3.
PS3? I remember allot of hate for it well before launch.
Well there certainly wasn't much enthusiasm among the press in 2004 when Nintendo announced that their next handheld will have two screens.
StoppedInTracks
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PS3 got some heat before the release but I think it was more from Xbox (American) focused media.
Wii U is just trashed all around the globe. And we don't even know it specs. Or price. Or anything except it has a tablet-like controller.
Wii U is just trashed all around the globe. And we don't even know it specs. Or price. Or anything except it has a tablet-like controller.
This is less about Nintendo hate and more about "analysts" wants to be seen as someone who can predict the future trend. Nintendo is the easiest target right now.
If you had that feeling then you wouldn't be fearful. You just wouldn't give a fuck. Then you'd start baiting those who you see as "irrational fanboys" and try to teach them the way of enlightenment. Then you'd realise you were actually more of a dick now than you ever were when you were a console fanboy. Finally you'll start to calcify, eventually die or start talking to yourself and become a living dinosaur like...well, never mind.
Wii Sports U and Wii Tablet Draw, BELIEVE
JoshuaJSlone
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I don't know, man. N64 was also billed as "The Fun Machine".
Alexios
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Hmm? I think its fair to expect ww/vc to transfer to wii u as dsiw transferred to 3ds (dsi had no vc so nothing to transfer on that front). Probably no overlap like wii - 3ds or dsi - wii u though. But i agree that if they offer the same games they should transfer. However they seem to focus on having different catalogue on portables vs home.
Yeah just felt so dirty seeing Super Mario Bros. on the 3DS store for 5 euros. Haven't launched the store since.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
anyone remotely interested in playing COD already owns a 360/PS3 or a PC
why would anyone pick up the Wii U version when it's near as damn obvious that the differences are likely to be fairly minor , might have some sort of pad use, and all the people you usually play this online heavy game with already have a console?
I think it'll be of importance to Nintendo fans who decided to sit out every other console but to everyone else? i doubt it's going to be a big draw.
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