Start out with something like Deathmatch or maybe some TDM with GAFfers. Also feel free to ask us about any of the mechanics. Some of the modes are barely explained in-game.
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Start out with something like Deathmatch or maybe some TDM with GAFfers. Also feel free to ask us about any of the mechanics. Some of the modes are barely explained in-game.
Littlegator
Banned
Yeah, being air-juggled for 5 seconds into someone else's KWH is beyond frustrating. And using a rampage to counter a rampage, then later getting killed by someone else's rampage to which you can't counter is really annoying.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
Like in all team based stuff, I prefer objective based stuff like CTF.Duder, for reals? Awww. Whats your pick of choice, Battle Royal?
We need to get more peeps playing
call_kotaku
Member
Beginner's Guide to defense
This got posted on SRK by one of the users there. A lot of info I didn't know, like how the dodge mechanics worked precisely, but seeing how he covered defense before everything else shows you how important it is in the game.
As salty as I get, this game is amazing fun.
This got posted on SRK by one of the users there. A lot of info I didn't know, like how the dodge mechanics worked precisely, but seeing how he covered defense before everything else shows you how important it is in the game.
As salty as I get, this game is amazing fun.
Sharing that evade glitch with more people is only going to harm the community in the long run. Some of us make a conscious effort not to use it as defence and evasion is already pretty strong once you get past the beginner's stage of the game. I understand he's trying to help, but in this case, he's just gonna fuck up the community more by encouraging people to use an unintended "feature." There are a few other problems and "features" in the game that have been known since its Japanese release, and Sega hasn't commissioned P* to fix any of it. Don't get me wrong, I love the game, but there are problems with it that can really ruin the game for you when the wrong conditions align.
Is it really that broken a mechanic? Doesn't it simply change the pace of the game if everyone knows it? I liken it to something like wavedashing, plinking, option-selects, or other unintended features in competitive games.
Try killing someone when they're doing that. It pretty much ruins any chance of taking out someone 1v1 (which is already hard enough with normal evasion tactics and stepping). Just ask akaoni how annoying it was trying to take me out 1v1 and even 2v1 at times during our games yesterday when we were on opposite teams.
Edit: To clarify, I wasn't even using the glitch.
Edit: To clarify, I wasn't even using the glitch.
call_kotaku
Member
In the experience of the fighting game community, it's never been helpful to the overall metagame if you try to exclude knowledge from parts of the player population. Not telling people about it isn't going to make it go away if it's a problem, and 1v1s have enough problems outside of defense being too strong, imo. The best thing if you find yourself versus a single person is to disengage, isn't it? Even if you beat and kill him (even if he's not using any dodge glitches) will take too long for it to be worthwhile, and if you lose you've lost points AND wasted time.
It's definitely broken, as kyouji mentioned we had a very notable fight yesterday in TDM and neither of us were backing off, at most we would take 1 or 2 hits, then evade and evade and by the time we starting fighting again we're sitting at full health again, the fight definitely went on for 1-2 minutes with no result. Perhaps a rebuttal might be 1v1's shouldn't take place in team games with the huge environments for escaping etc, which I can somewhat agree with.
(EDIT: To clarify this is without abusing the glitch, I could not finish him, nor him me, and without using any type of map transports)
Some modes also allow abilities one of which is master evader (2x dodge distance with a 6 dodge limit). I didn't know about the glitch until I read platinumgames forum today, and it literally breaks the modes you can use this ability in, I can dodge away from the opponents so fast that they won't catch me 9/10 times without some extreme luck.
The dodging issue gets larger on worse connections. From my experience - and anyone who does not have this problem please do say so - 4 bars will have issues with sticking to your opponent when using straight light attacks compared to offline. As this issue gets worse with worse latency and even though it looks like you're hitting your opponent they'll still dodge away while guarding like you never made contact. This is particularly noticeable if you use rampage, for example on 2 bars I can't kill anyone because it never sticks to start the barrage of attacks, I literally cannot kill anyone if they just keep dodging away even if he looks like I get the initial hit or so required.
So yeah, this makes the game reduced even more to catching an opponent with an item and/or unleashing a 1 second wombo combo on them.
It's a very good point though, you can say that this will just become part of the meta that everyone has to learn and although some may find it an undesireable outcome we just have to suck it up. The game already relies heavily on items/wombo combos, but this just raises defensive potential through the roof - master evader for example was godlike even with the limit.
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EDIT: I should add that I think the ability to disable items in a lobby would solve some of the issue, you would still have strong dodging capabilities but it would be reduced at least. However as players are aware, abilities are always enabled on certain game modes. A potential meta solution between a group of familiar players may be not equipping an ability or avoiding a specific few. It's not that we're trying to be e-sports, it's just for me personally it starts to lean towards 'not fun'.
call_kotaku
Member
That's one of the interesting things about the game, imo. There's a ton of mechanical stuff that would be completely broken in other games but usually tempered by some other extremely dumb mechanic or is made inconsistent via lag. You spend the vast majority of the time guarding or dodging, sure, but I think the game punishes it via the scoring system because outside of being part of a 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 in a team deathmatch/battle, there's a opportunity cost to staying put and playing pure defense. Also, the health regeneration, ironically enough, is balanced out by the abundance of 100% combos, most of which need a raw H to start which is pretty risky. It basically means that if you drop a combo it's as if you never hit them at all, and it makes safe things like lean attacks and ground strings pretty weak outside of baiting 360 attacks because the damage output doesn't add up. It would be a much worse and repetitive game without health regen, definitely, because I think safe and effective/easy offense would remove a lot of the strategy in the game.
If anything, I hope more new players realize I can sit there and defend them all day, so they don't keep doing dash attacks at me when I try to leave which forces me to sit there and dance for 30 seconds.
If anything, I hope more new players realize I can sit there and defend them all day, so they don't keep doing dash attacks at me when I try to leave which forces me to sit there and dance for 30 seconds.
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Just started a death ball lobby. Let's go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnO--WetMKs#t=3m27s
haha, I just noticed he finally uploaded it.
that was I think my third match ever?
haha, I just noticed he finally uploaded it.
that was I think my third match ever?
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
lol
It was only his 2nd tho
you had a whole game's experience over him totally not fair he just spawned man!!
Dark Phoenix
Member
Platinum achieved! That was fun, hard mode was kinda hard and going through easy without dying was a breeze.
call_kotaku
Member
the killjoy perk lets them do more damage after a taunt, so if they stun you, taunt, and then do KWH they can sometimes one-shot
TheSpoiler
Member
I'm not done with this game yet. I'm going to keep covering it in the next few weeks, months, years maybe.
But I'm still miffed about the lack of splitscreen. It's just not right.
But I'm still miffed about the lack of splitscreen. It's just not right.
cj_iwakura
Member
Just finished single player.
(Black side)
Amazing stuff, even Leo's story had its moments.
Short but fun, loved the gameplay and character concepts, and that hip-hop production.
Favorite tracks: Sasha's theme(I think, has a male rapping and a female chorus), Days of Old(Baron's theme), and the Rin Sister music. All great stuff.
(Black side)
Amazing stuff, even Leo's story had its moments.
Short but fun, loved the gameplay and character concepts, and that hip-hop production.
Favorite tracks: Sasha's theme(I think, has a male rapping and a female chorus), Days of Old(Baron's theme), and the Rin Sister music. All great stuff.
Unfortunately no, you need to go to campaign > new and pick the other side first. I had to do this to unlock the final ability I needed because your campaign choice determines the other character that will miss Bari Shur (desert) as a proper map I think. Of course once you reach them you're free to pick them all at any time with stage select.
dark_inferno
Member
Im at LV4 on Black Side and have to say that Platinum know what they are doing.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Not had a chance to go online yet.
Any tips on how to get better medals in the missions? I feel like I'm mashing buttons rather than being elegant in my input.
Any tips on how to get better medals in the missions? I feel like I'm mashing buttons rather than being elegant in my input.
Kinda late, but damn!
Just finished the game on normal and am now working on hard. Sooo much fun. Too bad it's difficult finding a match online.
Do everything as fast as possible while killing what's necessary or can be killed without slowing down the mission. Try not to get hit for the vitality/perfect bonus. If there's a mission with some tough enemies that stop you getting the better medals then try to have some items/rampage filled before starting the mission.
I guess it helps to know what you need to do in order to efficiently cheese your way through enemies. KW is your best option most of the time, just keep spamming light/heavy attacks to build the bar, then spend it on KWL for easy enemies and KWH for tougher enemies.
EDIT: This game doesn't need elegance.
Thank you for your assiduous and earnest review.
Risk Breaker
Member
I'm there now.
I would also like an invite to the PSN chatroom if there is one (EdgeyPoo).
Honestly yes, and if you are into your achievements/trophies its especially worth it as they are all campaign based.
Okay cool thanks.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
I should be around later this evening, gamertag is the same as my GAF name.
cj_iwakura
Member
Continuity
Member
Finished the single player on hard, but I didn't do the last free mission on White Side Stage 4(I unlocked the Main Mission at the same time and went straight to it and finished the game). And now white side stage 4 is the only stage I can't access freely, and I can't get to White->Red Side. How can I go back and finish off stage 4? Do I need to start a new game?
Had a ton of games with DECOY-LDN and a few with Edgeypoo, was great stuff besides the JP hosted battle royale lag.
New things of note; having hosted for the first time, being the host is a power in itself because the game plays like it does in the training room, framerate seems smoother, you can combo easier like in the training room, you can dish out 360s with a higher chance of success and you can punish theme easier which was most notable when I killed a player with a jKWH while he had visually started his 360 animation. If you're playing in a laggy game, lean extender feels very reliable for dealing with the lag so that you can use your string of lights, but it might have just been placebo.
It's getting more and more difficult to get games going, which was surprising for a Saturday afternoon, thus we ended up on a Japanese hosted lobby just to get a suitable game. When I hosted we only got 2 games in before the other team wouldn't fill and I gave it a reasonable 10-15 minutes before giving up.
I notice most of my posts about the game appear negative, but I can assure you the game is a lot of fun and you should buy it if you're on the fence!
New things of note; having hosted for the first time, being the host is a power in itself because the game plays like it does in the training room, framerate seems smoother, you can combo easier like in the training room, you can dish out 360s with a higher chance of success and you can punish theme easier which was most notable when I killed a player with a jKWH while he had visually started his 360 animation. If you're playing in a laggy game, lean extender feels very reliable for dealing with the lag so that you can use your string of lights, but it might have just been placebo.
It's getting more and more difficult to get games going, which was surprising for a Saturday afternoon, thus we ended up on a Japanese hosted lobby just to get a suitable game. When I hosted we only got 2 games in before the other team wouldn't fill and I gave it a reasonable 10-15 minutes before giving up.
I notice most of my posts about the game appear negative, but I can assure you the game is a lot of fun and you should buy it if you're on the fence!
They really could just sell Deathball as a $10 XBLA/PSN game and people would buy it.
WickedCobra03
Member
So I can get into this ClubCrazy for $30, yeah, I am thinking I might pick this up as my first purchase of the year. I might look at some reviews and if I see it around next time I am out, I might snag it.
Now I feel bad for never playing this mode. How many people is it for?
It's for 8. There's a ball in the centre at the start, both teams close - you pickup the ball when it's not held by simply running into it, every round after first goal the team who conceded gets advantage on the ball spawn. When you take posession there's a bar at the top, hold the ball until the bar fills with your team colour and the enemy team goal opens when it passes a small arrow mark, when the bar fills you can use a superstar shot which will score from any distance, damage enemies it touches and can only be stopped by a player of the same element (fire, ice, eletricity, poison) or a player with rampage activated. When you have the ball you cannot attack as you normally would, just a simple smash of the ball at your location, but you can use 360. To take the ball from the enemy a few attacks does the trick, some characters being notably better than others, or a successful throw will cause a drop everytime. R2 hurls the ball in the direction you're facing, you can also pass directly by targetting a teammate as you would do with an enemy then pressing R2, but this fails quite often for me, and I'm not sure how to judge using R2 to shoot into an open goal because I always miss.
call_kotaku
Member
8. It's a lot of fun when everyone tries, but it's probably the most frustrating thing in the world when your team is trying to get kills instead of moving the ball while the score is 1-6. You have to try to hold the ball for as long as possible, and if you hold it long enough the goal opens so you can run for a touchdown, or hold it for the maximum amount and you get to shoot the ball. It's nice because it reduces the emphasis on defense but also changes priorities on offense. Knocking the ball away from someone or keeping someone occupied while your runner goes past them are more important than doing damage.
Many of the reviews aren't particularly positive and a couple are poorly-researched, so keep in mind that it's not a standard game and it's not an easy game, plus it's not a AAA release, and the scores reflect those things. IGN's review is particularly egregious, afaik.
Continuity
Member
Play me in cage match bro, I've been going undefeated since I learned how to actually play the game, let's see if you can handle my Max <3
kunonabi
Member
any tips with max? I can't seem to do shit with him.