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[bishoptl]

Didn't see this coming. Nope. Not at all.

Steve Moore, the former Colorado Avalanche player injured after a blindside attack by Vancouver Canucks star Todd Bertuzzi in March 2004, has filed a civil lawsuit in a Denver court against Bertuzzi, Canucks teammate Brad May, head coach Marc Crawford, former Vancouver general manager Brian Burke and the Canucks hockey team. The suit, filed Tuesday, alleges a series of charges including civil conspiracy, assault, battery, negligence and outrageous behavior. The suit asks for unspecified damages and that the case be heard before a jury. The suit was filed in spite of the fact Moore told reporters in Toronto in December he would not file a civil suit unless doctors told him he couldn't play in the NHL again.

"The attack has been bad for our game. I don't want to be the cause for any more negativity to the NHL," Moore said at the time.

But his Toronto-based lawyer, Tim Danson, told ESPN.com on Thursday that the suit was filed to keep Moore's options open. There is a one-year statute of limitations on filing in Colorado; since part of Moore's legal argument is that the assault portion of the suit began in a game between Vancouver and Colorado in Denver on Feb. 16, 2004, the suit had to be filed this week.

"Steve's objective is to get better and play hockey and not be in court," Danson said. "The fact of the matter is Steve's recovery has not been as quick as we would like."

In civil cases, an assault may include only the "apprehension of fear," Danson said, as opposed to any physical harm which is the battery element. The lawsuit claims that threats were first made against Moore during that Feb. 16 game after Vancouver captain Markus Naslund was injured by a borderline Moore check. None of the defendants named in the suit contacted by ESPN.com would comment on the suit. Likewise, the NHLPA and NHL both declined comment Thursday.

Canucks senior vice president and general manager Dave Nonis released the following statement Thursday: "The Vancouver Canucks are aware of reports circulating to the effect a lawsuit has been commenced by Steve Moore in relation to the March 8, 2004, Colorado Avalanche vs Vancouver Canucks game. To date, the Canucks have no additional information and accordingly have no further comment at this time."

In the statement of claim, Moore's Denver lawyers -- some of whom were involved in the defense of Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant on sexual assault charges -- contend that the individuals named in the suit first planned out the attack on Moore following that game.

"Bertuzzi made a series of threats and derogatory comments against Moore, promising that he and/or other Canucks hockey players would retaliate against and injure Moore," the suit alleges. Among the comments attributed to Bertuzzi is this one: "There's no way that punk will be in their lineup in March."

May is also alleged to have made similar threats, including: "There's definitely a bounty on his head. Clean hit or not, that's our best player and you respond -- it's going to be fun when we get him."

The suit alleges Burke, now a television analyst for TSN in Canada, and Crawford made "veiled threats and incendiary comments directed toward Moore, which were intended to induce the Canucks players they coached, supervised and directed to retaliate against and injure Moore."

Both Crawford and Burke called the Moore hit on Naslund a "cheap shot."

The suit further alleges that "as coach and general manager of the Canucks team … Crawford, Burke and the Canucks had a duty to ensure that its players, including Bertuzzi and May, did not engage in conduct that was intended to cause serious bodily injury or death to an opposing player, such as Moore."

 

[Kabuki Waq]

man sure it was an idiot move ..but what happens on the ice should stay on the ice ...what a pussy.

 

[android]

Got what he deserved.

 

[theo]

i question the timing of this!

 

[SystemShark]

man sure it was an idiot move ..but what happens on the ice should stay on the ice ...what a pussy.

This suit is all about monetary gain. If he never plays hockey again, I see no problem with him getting money from Bertuzzi.

 

[Mike Works]

I still don't understand how a Canadian is filing a lawsuit against another Canadian for an act that happened in Canada... in a Colorado court.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

This suit is all about monetary gain. If he never plays hockey again, I see no problem with him getting money from Bertuzzi.

ok lets say he had dropped the gloves as well and still had gotten knocked the fuck out...would it still be right to sue?

Crosschecking in infinetely more dangerous than what he got. He just got unlucky...hell if there was no pool of blood we wouldnt even be talking about this.

 

[DopeyFish]

I still don't understand how a Canadian is filing a lawsuit against another Canadian for an act that happened in Canada... in a Colorado court.

It's a civil suit, not a criminal case.

The criminal case was done in vancouver, civil suit can be done anywhere really.

 

[Mainline]

We all knew this was comming. I hope Moore shows up to court wearing a neck brace, because I couldn't stop laughing when he was wearing it before.

 

[Shinobi]

I hope he cleans Bertuzzi out...the game could use a wakeup call.

 

[Mainline]

 

[FightyF]

man sure it was an idiot move ..but what happens on the ice should stay on the ice ...what a pussy.

Unfortunately his injuries can't stay on the ice...

Really, what Bertuzzi did was outside the scope of hockey, and became a physical attack that had nothing to do with the game at hand. Moore has the right to pursue something, and at least have a judge make a fair decision on recompensation.

I'm sure Bertuzzi won't mind paying a FAIR amount to Moore for what he did. I'm sure Bertuzzi regrets it and would like to make it up to Moore.

 

[Socreges]

Really, what Bertuzzi did was outside the scope of hockey, and became a physical attack that had nothing to do with the game at hand. Moore has the right to pursue something, and at least have a judge make a fair decision on recompensation.

What exactly is and isn't? This only creates a slippery slope. Otherwise, I agree.

I'm sure Bertuzzi won't mind paying a FAIR amount to Moore for what he did. I'm sure Bertuzzi regrets it and would like to make it up to Moore.

Yes, but consider that Moore will sue for nothing short of millions.

 

[FightyF]

What exactly is and isn't? This only creates a slippery slope.

It does...

The way I look at it, it's similar to a situation where, say, a boxer takes off his gloves after a round is over and hit the other boxer in the back of the head. It's outside the scope of boxing and it became a criminal act, the intent was to hurt. Moore was well away from the play when he was attacked. If he had the puck, it would have been a really sloppy and bad play on Bertuzzi's part. But he had the intent to injure (this is my own conclusion btw, I can't read his mind). I thought Bertuzzi was venting his frustration, and it turned out to turn into something serious.

Yes, but consider that Moore will sue for nothing short of millions.

Yeah...but I hope that the judge sees that Bertuzzi didn't have the intent to cripple a guy for life. On the other hand, the judge might be convinced that Bertuzzi did have the intent to injure.

 

[Shinobi]

What exactly is and isn't?

That questions about such an incident even exists is a sad statement on the sport of hockey. I don't recall anyone giving the boxer who sucker punched someone after the bout any benefit of the doubt, and punching is the whole freaking objective in that sport.

 

[calder]

And, just like the C should, Naslund steps up shoots back.

Markus Naslund blasts Moore lawsuit

Canadian Press
2/21/2005

Markus Naslund has weighed in on the Steve Moore lawsuit.

The Canucks captain told the Vancouver Sun that the lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi and others is a money grab by a player who simply isnt good enough to make a living in the NHL.

"He's suing everyone so he can make money," Naslund told the Vancouver Sun from Sweden. "I've got no respect for him at all.

"Even talking to his teammates, it seems evident he doesn't have a lot of support in hockey."

Moore has been unable to play since Bertuzzi sucker-punched him during a game in Vancouver on March 8. He sustained cracked vertebrae and a concussion, from which he continues to suffer.

"This is just a guy who's trying to hit a home run (financially)," Naslund said to the Sun. "Someone who wasn't good enough to play.

"I'm not saying what (Bertuzzi did) was right. But if it was me, I'd be doing everything I could to get back and play and show everyone the character I have . . . instead of trying to sue everyone."

Moore, now an unrestricted free agent, is suing Canucks Bertuzzi and Brad May, Vancouver coach Marc Crawford, former general manager Brian Burke and the hockey club for unspecified damages.

Moore claims the defendants conspired to injure him.

"This isn't about the hit," Naslund told the paper of his feelings toward Moore. "Hockey players take hits and give hits."

Bertuzzi pleaded guilty in December to a charge of assault causing bodily harm and received a conditional discharge. He remains suspended indefinitely by the NHL.

Don't 100% agree with him, but you gotta respect Naslund for always saying what he thinks in a thoughtful yet honest way.

Moore's lawsuit is hurt by the lockout in a weird way, he can't really say the injury or it's aftermath is why he doesn't have a contract... I guess for him the main thing is if his doctors say he can't play but since half the freaking league is without a valid contract that won't help him in court.

Just to show how polarizing the issue is, the feedback for the tsn.ca article is about 50/50 with as many ppl blasting Naslund for defending his teammates as there are agreeing with Nazzy. Yikes, lotta vitriol in that feedback... even more of a hot-button hockey topic than the lockout.

 

[Azih]

Dude Bertruzzi should never have played the game again, making him bankrupt is a second best solution. I saw that hit and Betruzzi didn't trip and fall after banking Naslund on the back of the head. He SLAMMED the guys head on the ice. Monster.

 

[darscot]

Dude Bertruzzi should never have played the game again, making him bankrupt is a second best solution. I saw that hit and Betruzzi didn't trip and fall after banking Naslund on the back of the head. He SLAMMED the guys head on the ice. Monster.

Time to get that vision checked. The replay clearly shows Bertuzzi tripping over a stick. It's a classic "Can-Opener". Also Naslund is Todd's very good friend I dont think he "Banking" him on the back of the head. Get a clue.

 

[Ronald_mcd]

Had Moore man'd up and fought bertuzzi there never would have been this mess. If you are going to go after a teams top guy, you better be ready to stick up for yourself after.

 

[Azih]

Time to get that vision checked. The replay clearly shows Bertuzzi tripping over a stick.

Whatever, a huge amount of damage was done to Moore after the initial hit. At the very least Bertuzzi should be jilted for being a clumsy bastard and ruining another man's life.

Sorry I mistyped , I meant Morre not Naslund.

 

[Mike Works]

Ruining his life??

 

[Azih]

Ruining his life??

The jury's very out on whether Moore will ever play again innit?

 

[darscot]

The only thing the Jury is out on is how much it's going to take to get Moore to shut up. The guy has been nothing but BS from the second this happened. I'm so sick of the lawyer speak and blatant lies from this guy. He is a disgrace to the game. I've never seen a Hockey player act like this in my life.

 

[SickBoy]

I don't have any issues with the suit, but likewise I think it's extreme to say Bertuzzi should never play again or should be bankrupted.

It was a moron move (that goes far beyond a lot of the worst on-ice incidents in the NHL's history), and he deserves whatever punishment he gets. I'd like to see a civil suit play out in a Canadian court, though. Seems to me the venue is designed to get the biggest payout.

As for the hit, I think it's debatable whether he tripped on a stick or just plowed on him. There was a stick there, but did he trip on it? I don't know. He skated into it, but I'm not convinced -- even having seen the replays a million times -- that it tripped him up (and at any rate, it appears to be his own stick, not a random stick that was just lying there, which IMO makes a difference)

http://www.backbertuzzi.com/Trip.htm

Whatever, though, he did what he did, and it resulted in what we have now.

EDIT: The thing about Naslund is he's the kind of guy that would have an opportunity to redeem himself after this. Moore, he's fringe enough that I'm not sure he will... I still think it's clear he's grabbing for cash, but I don't think it's out of line for him to seek out compensation...

 

[darscot]

The thing I find the saddest is the heart on this guy. Take Eric Lindros, a player that is widely considered to have issues with heart. Eric has had his bell rung how many times? The Docters keep telling him to hang them up but he keeps coming back. If Eric is a guy with no heart what does that tell you about Moore. Moore gets hurt once and its all over. It's no wonder no team wants the guy. Getting hurt by unforseen events is the risk you take when you step on the ice.

 

[Drensch]

The guy has been nothing but BS from the second this happened. I'm so sick of the lawyer speak and blatant lies from this guy.

Yeah. A bunch of false apologies, after repeated premediatated threats. Unlike Vancouver courts I doubt US courts will manage to have a trial without any testimony from the victim.


I'd say my lack of respect for Naslund is proven by his comments: "Hits are part of the game, checks are hockey", funny, when his ass got laid out nice and clean, it was some unprecedented action.

If you are going to go after a teams top guy, you better be ready to stick up for yourself after.

So the two guys he fought before Bertuzzi jumped him from behind don't count? Bertuzzi is gutless and still insists on these BS apologies as if he didn't mean to do it. And unlike the Canucks and Bertuzzi, Moore didn't go after Naslund. He hit Naslund in the game. He didn't spend 3 weeks talking up the ass kicking he was going to give to Naslund from behind, wait until he had a home game and then jump him. It was a clean hit, spur of the moment in the middle of the game.

 

[yodathesoda]

Had Moore man'd up and fought bertuzzi there never would have been this mess. If you are going to go after a teams top guy, you better be ready to stick up for yourself after.

Moore fought Matt Cooke earlier and beat the shit out of him. The Avs were winning by some ridiculously large amount and he was jumped from behind. 100% class Bertuzzi should give up millions.

 

[bishoptl]

his ass got laid out nice and clean, it was some unprecedented action.

It was a clean hit, spur of the moment in the middle of the game.

what

 

[Mike Works]

Yeah. A bunch of false apologies, after repeated premediatated threats. Unlike Vancouver courts I doubt US courts will manage to have a trial without any testimony from the victim.

The exact same thing would've happened in US courts, that was completely 100% Steve Moore's lawyer's fault that he wasn't present at the courtroom. Completely his fault.

I'd say my lack of respect for Naslund is proven by his comments: "Hits are part of the game, checks are hockey", funny, when his ass got laid out nice and clean, it was some unprecedented action.

Uh, no? Everyone said it was a scrub player going after a star player, and there would be retribution for it, which is part of the game.

So the two guys he fought before Bertuzzi jumped him from behind don't count?

Two guys? I remember him challenging Matt Cooke to a fight. Who was the other guy?

Bertuzzi is gutless and still insists on these BS apologies as if he didn't mean to do it.

When Bertuzzi says he didn't mean for what happened to Moore to happen (ie broken neck, paralysis below the waist, aids, the plague), I believe that, and you're ignorant if you don't. He's not saying he didn't mean to hurt Moore or attack Moore, obviously he did, it was a sucker punch. He's saying he didn't mean for Moore to get as injured as he did. Which is true, no one would want this to happen to their career.

And unlike the Canucks and Bertuzzi, Moore didn't go after Naslund.

what

He hit Naslund in the game. He didn't spend 3 weeks talking up the ass kicking he was going to give to Naslund from behind

Show me one quote, one quote where any Canuck talked about the ass kicking he was going to give Moore from behind. One quote.

And the reason he didn't talk shit was because there was no retribution to be had. Jarko Ruutu didn't check a reaching Sakic in the head, giving him a concussion, did he?

wait until he had a home game

As I pointed out before, and I'll point out each and every time your stupid mouth raises this point, the Canucks and Avalanche were in an extremely tight race in the divisional series which came down to the very last day AGAIN. The reason nothing happened at the home Avalanche game was because it was a close game, and the Canucks didn't want to risk taking stupid penalties in order to exact retribution. My head may be fuzzy on this part, but I'm pretty sure the Canucks won that game, if not tied. Where it happened, home or away, has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING, so why you keep raising it as a point against the Canucks is beyond me. Then again, you've always been in the dem category of hockey logic in these threads.

No one is defending what Bertuzzi did, in this thread, in the press, in the Canucks organization.

 

[Azih]

The exact same thing would've happened in US courts, that was completely 100% Steve Moore's lawyer's fault that he wasn't present at the courtroom. Completely his fault.

NUTS to that. This was a criminal case, the prosecutor was not representing Moore, he was representing the CROWN. Moore got dicked in the trial and frankly I'm surprised that everyone doesn't realise that the Vancouver Bertuzzi love fest did him in.

Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore says he's "disappointed and puzzled" by the Crown's unexpected plea bargain with Vancouver Canuck Todd Bertuzzi.

"For many months I was expecting that I would get a chance to tell my story but the Crown unexpectedly made a plea bargain which I first learned about through the media," said Moore at a news conference in Toronto Thursday.

[very mild sarcasm]Hell the prosecutor who read Moore's victim impact statement probably mouthed the word 'wussy' and made wah wah motions while he who reading the thing [/very mild sarcasm]

Uh, no? Everyone said it was a scrub player going after a star player, and there would be retribution for it, which is part of the game.

so we all know it was premeditated.


Frankly I'm glad this civil suit isn't happening in Canada, no way Moore can get a fair hearing here. It should be held in a place where no one gives a damn about hockey and judges the hit fairly.

Edit: Look I this is a pretty even split divisive debate. And I'm not interested enough in the issue to get into a huge argument. So I've said my peace (piece?) and I'll leave it at that.

 

[darscot]

The blatant lies I am refering to is all the heart string BS about how he was in a dark room at the rink when they told him he broke his neck. What a load of shit there is no way in hell some paramedic tells his patient your neck is broken. And all the lucky to be alive shit. At no time was his life threatened other players have had this same neck injury and missed a handful of games.

And anyone that brings up the Matt Cooke fight knows nothing about hockey. When you head hunt the leading scorer in the NHL and Captain of any team you have to pay the price. If you then go punch out the biggest pussy on that same team your really pouring salt in the wound. Moore did not deserve what happened to him but he sure as hell did deserve a punch in the head.

 

[Mike Works]

NUTS to that.

NUTS to that? When there are reports that the time when you'll be allowed to testify is going to potentially fall off the plate within 3 days, why would you stay in Colorado? Why?

so we all know it was premeditated.

Bertuzzi's attack? I don't think it was. I think there was a certain aspect of "payback" expected (unless the game was close again, as they were still in a tight race), but if you're asking me if Brian Burke, Marc Crawford, the Canucks Organization, and Brad May came up with a conspiracy plan to get their star player to jeopardize his career by punching Moore in the back of the head? Lets just put that under the "probably not" category.

Frankly I'm glad this civil suit isn't happening in Canada, no way Moore can get a fair hearing here. It should be held in a place where no one gives a damn about hockey and judges the hit fairly.

Colorado is a place where no one gives a damn about hockey?? Seriously?!

 

[yodathesoda]

The blatant lies I am refering to is all the heart string BS about how he was in a dark room at the rink when they told him he broke his neck. What a load of shit there is no way in hell some paramedic tells his patient your neck is broken. And all the lucky to be alive shit. At no time was his life threatened other players have had this same neck injury and missed a handful of games.

And anyone that brings up the Matt Cooke fight knows nothing about hockey. When you head hunt the leading scorer in the NHL and Captain of any team you have to pay the price. If you then go punch out the biggest pussy on that same team your really pouring salt in the wound. Moore did not deserve what happened to him but he sure as hell did deserve a punch in the head.

Funny I've played hockey for 18 years. Moore hit Naslund with a questionable hit (the most viscous atrocity in Canuck history for others). Matt Cooke was the one who provoked Moore to fight in obvious retaliation for the Naslund hit and then proceeded to get his ass beat down. That should have been it. Where was May or tough guy Bertuzzi to fight Moore like a man? That's the point and that's the lawsuit. They were losing something like 10-2 and were frustrated so Bertuzzi took the coward's way out and deserves to be punished.

 

[Socreges]

That questions about such an incident even exists is a sad statement on the sport of hockey. I don't recall anyone giving the boxer who sucker punched someone after the bout any benefit of the doubt, and punching is the whole freaking objective in that sport.

That's a much, much finer line. Poor example.

 

[Mike Works]

Matt Cooke was the one who provoked Moore to fight

Are you certain?

 

[yodathesoda]

Are you certain?

Yes I was watching the game and it happened right when they were dropping the puck for a faceoff. Why would Moore attack Cooke???

 

[Kabuki Waq]

what if it bertuzzi was smaller than moore and instead of the punch to the back of the head it was an intentional trip...do you think we would need this thread?

 

[darscot]

Yes I was watching the game and it happened right when they were dropping the puck for a faceoff. Why would Moore attack Cooke???

He attacked Cooke because he was a coward and he figured if he was going to fight he might as well grab the easiest guy to punch out. I'm surprised he didnt grab a Sedin. Everyone that follows the Canucks knows Matt Cooke does not fight including Steve Moore. And I know for a fact that the Canuck players felt that Moore jumped Cooke. Bertuzzi is 80% at fault for what happened but I think Moore should be held for 20% of it. If he would have just fought this would be over. And if Bert had just not been such a fricken beast we would not be having this conversation.

 

[Mike Works]

Bingo. Moore attacked Cooke, not the other way around. It was right off the faceoff, and he did it so he could claim he "payed his dues" by fighting. Fighting a guy who never fights.

I watched the footage of it off the faceoff, Moore attacked Cooke.

 

[yodathesoda]

Bingo. Moore attacked Cooke, not the other way around. It was right off the faceoff, and he did it so he could claim he "payed his dues" by fighting. Fighting a guy who never fights.

I watched the footage of it off the faceoff, Moore attacked Cooke.

Not according to everyone else watching that game. Simple google search:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores104/104068/20040308NHL--VANCOUVER-0nr.htm

"Tough guys Peter Worrell and Brad May engaged in several battles
and Matt Cooke went after Moore in a first period that saw
Colorado record the fastest three goals in franchise history."

http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20040312/SP_003.htm

"Moore had already been challenged by Vancouver's Matt Cooke -- and fought him -- earlier in the game. He likely knew it was coming and braced himself for it; Cooke had the good sense to challenge him face-to-face, they duked it out, and that was it."

I still don't understand why any fan would think Moore would try to attack another Canuck. He knew he had a fight coming he stepped up and that was that.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

well really its not like Moore should have picked a fight with bertuzzi or something. I think cooke was just fine.

most of what happens during the game should stay in the game i think. Really Ulf Samuelson would have been hanged by now if that wasnt teh case.

 

[Mike Works]

Not according to everyone else watching that game.

I'm going to prove your wrong, and it's going to hurt your position on the entire matter.

I still don't understand why any fan would think Moore would try to attack another Canuck. He knew he had a fight coming he stepped up and that was that.

Are you blind? He went after Cooke so he could get his "fight" out of the way without having to fight someone who FIGHTS. Matt Cooke does not fight, yet Moore went after him (and left his visor on to top it off) so he wouldn't have to face up to someone who actually fights.

well really its not like Moore should have picked a fight with bertuzzi or something. I think cooke was just fine.

That's bullshit. It's not like Moore should have gone after the Canucks' captain, but he did. If he was a 4th liner who went after a 4th liner, then sure, go fight Jarko Ruutu or something, but he went after the Canucks captain and star player. You go after the big guys, you should face up to someone who at least fights.

Again, I'm not condoning what Bertuzzi did at all, but if Moore had fought one of the many Canucks who actually get in fights, odds are this all never happens.

 

[Mike Works]

I'm going to prove your wrong, and it's going to hurt your position on the entire matter.

http://www.student.math.uwaterloo.ca/~tdhumphr/040308_moore_cooke.wmv

There you have it.

Moore's gloves are off when the puck is dropped. Cooke is still holding his stick as he's being grabbed by Moore and spun around.

I've said it more than once in this thread alone, and I'll say it again;

Steve Moore instigated the fight with Matt Cooke so he wouldn't have to man up and fight anyone who actually fights.

 

[yodathesoda]

I remember it differently than that with a lot more instigating before the drop from Cooke that you do not see in that clip. And let me get this straight...
Moore is a bitch for going after Cooke so noone else would go after him, but Naslund isn't a bitch for not standing up for himself? Get this through your head Canuck fans: What happened to Moore was cowardly move by Bertuzzi and you will never be able to justify it. It should have been over after the first fight and Bertuzzi deserves to pay Moore for his disability.

 

[Mike Works]

I remember it differently than that with a lot more instigating before the drop from Cooke that you do not see in that clip.

Yeah, I'm sure you do remember it differently, that'd be a completely fucking shock to my system and everyone else reading this thread if you didn't. If Cooke was instigating, how the hell would Moore have his gloves off and his hands on Cooke's jersey before Cooke even drops his stick? You can admit that you were wrong on this one point and still defend your others.

Moore is a bitch for going after Cooke so noone else would go after him, but Naslund isn't a bitch for not standing up for himself?

Standing up for himself? If you're saying that Naslund should have challenged Moore to a fight, then I'm going to have to check your IP to make sure it doesn't match up with Drensch's, because that's fucking retarded.

Get this through your head Canuck fans: What happened to Moore was cowardly move by Bertuzzi and you will never be able to justify it.

No one here is justifying or even attempting to justify what Bertuzzi did. I've stated multiple times in this thread alone that I don't condone what he did.

But that does not magically make everything Steve Moore did right. Moore sues Brian Burke and the Canucks for conspiracy? But Bertuzzi sucker punched him! Moore ducked fighting anyone challenging him and then instigated with Matt Cooke? But Bertuzzi sucker punched him... later!

It should have been over after the first fight and Bertuzzi deserves to pay Moore for his disability.

It would have been over after the first fight if Moore didn't pussy out. I agree that Moore deserves compensation directly from Todd Bertuzzi. But Moore is the one that went after Naslund, Moore is the one that walked away from Brad May, Moore is the one that went after Matt Cooke (without even taking his visor off), Moore is the one suing Brian Burke, Brad May, and the Vancouver Canucks for conspiracy. Todd fucked up and he's going to pay for it, literally, but you can't use what he did as a blanket defense for anything Moore fucked up with.

 

[yodathesoda]

If Cooke was instigating, how the hell would Moore have his gloves off and his hands on Cooke's jersey before Cooke even drops his stick?

You're a Canuck fan, you should know Cooke runs his mouth every game and either turtles or runs away. Would it suprise you if Cooke was yapping at Moore and talking shit about getting back at him for Naslund and Moore actually dropped the gloves and tossed him around? Does it suprise you Cooke still has his gloves on? It wouldn't suprise me if they were taped on by his mom.

Standing up for himself? If you're saying that Naslund should have challenged Moore to a fight, then I'm going to have to check your IP to make sure it doesn't match up with Drensch's, because that's fucking retarded.

The idea of a grown man standing up for himself and settling his own business is fucking retarted to you?
You condone Steve Moore fighting a guy double his own size and were probably salivating to think about it but when it's precious pretty Naslund that's out of the question. Make up your mind.

The rest of your arguement is just boring. It's plain obvious why Moore is suing and looking to make some money. Because he might lose his whole career because of the action of Todd. The comments by May, Burke and Crawford fueled the fire leading to the sucker punch and therefore they also should be implicated in the result. Is that so hard to understand???

 

[Flakster99]

Nice ownage there Mike.

Bertuzzi's attitude isn't of the warm and fuzzy variety, his demeanor is quite steady and somber and it's hurt him throughout this ordeal immensely. It's who he is. As well it's quite sad how he has been treated and disrespected since this has happened. What of the many previous years of dedicated service to the fans and the game? He didn't rape or kill anyone in a vehicular accident, didn't cheat on his wife, wasn't a poster boy for asinine things that you see in other sports.

IMO, this should have been left on the ice, in the hands of the hockey commish/PA to be taken cared of. Two wrongs don't make a right either, Ulf should have been capped years ago for the shit he did and the careers he cut short. Maybe this is in part retaliation for how the NHL goofed from their past mistakes.

C'est la vie.

 

[Mike Works]

You're a Canuck fan, you should know Cooke runs his mouth every game and either turtles or runs away. Would it suprise you if Cooke was yapping at Moore and talking shit about getting back at him for Naslund and Moore actually dropped the gloves and tossed him around? Does it suprise you Cooke still has his gloves on? It wouldn't suprise me if they were taped on by his mom.

Weren't expecting video evidence, were you? But no, Cooke was running his mouth yet not expecting a fight in the time right before the footage starts playing! You've got me there, so much for my video evidence!

The idea of a grown man standing up for himself and settling his own business is fucking retarted to you?

Ha, so if Todd Bertuzzi had nailed a reaching Joe Sakic in the head and gave him a concussion, then you think Joe Sakic should be the one who should fight Bertuzzi, and not Worrell or someone else on the team? Give me a fucking break, you couldn't be more transparent if you're tried.

You condone Steve Moore fighting a guy double his own size and were probably salivating to think about it but when it's precious pretty Naslund that's out of the question. Make up your mind.

If Jarko Ruutu elbowed Sakic in the head, I would condone Peter Worrell fighting him the next game, yes. There is no "make up your mind" here, it's actually very simple to comprehend. If you're a 4th liner and you go after the other team's star player in an obvious attempt to hurt him bad, and you give him a concussion, you're going to pay the price.

The rest of your arguement is just boring. It's plain obvious why Moore is suing and looking to make some money. Because he might lose his whole career because of the action of Todd.

See I'm fine with Moore making money. Bertuzzi should at the very least be ordered to pay for Moore's hospital bills and a sensible amount for whatever a fourth liner who's scored 12 points in 3 seasons with an overall rating of -5.

The comments by May, Burke and Crawford fueled the fire leading to the sucker punch and therefore they also should be implicated in the result. Is that so hard to understand???

Where's the conspiracy??

 

[yodathesoda]

You're attempt to injure arguement is weak at best it was a clean hit under the rules of the league on a player who should have kept his head up in my opinion but your entitled to yours. Just answer me one question: If Peter Worell was stalking Jaarko Ruutu around the ice for a full shift would Jaarko fight? Answer honestly now.

 

[Mike Works]

You're attempt to injure arguement is weak at best it was a clean hit under the rules of the league on a player who should have kept his head up in my opinion but your entitled to yours. Just answer me one question: If Peter Worell was stalking Jaarko Ruutu around the ice for a full shift would Jaarko fight? Answer honestly now.

I'll answer that question the moment you the one that I asked you in my previous post:

If Todd Bertuzzi had nailed a reaching Joe Sakic in the head and gave him a concussion, then you think Joe Sakic should be the one who should fight Bertuzzi, and not Worrell or someone else on the team?