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Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Darkshier said:
It was a ton of fun.
I'm not sure if I could pick a favorite yet, but 9mm is a lot of fun. I get to try a .357 .22 revolver which was a cool too. You know I can't recall specifically which guns I tried earlier, I know one was a Ruger .22 Pistol that reminded me of the sleeping gun in MGS3 (at least the slide and back). lol
I also really, really, loved the Remington 870, loading and racking really nice. The kickback is something I'll have to get used to especially on high brass .00 buck. My shoulder is still a tad sore, but that's normal. I do love the shell popping out the side. That said if I ever get one I want the left model as the shell ejected near my hand is a bit
Personally I can't wait to try .45. I'm very happy I tried it with the people I did, one being an NRA Safety Range Officer taught me how to properly handle jams and stovepipes along with proper handling.
One thing I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good cheap headset and eye protection (that fits over glasses) combo? I liked the headset as opposed to the ear pluggin.
I'm going to start applying for a PA LTCF since it allows me to store a weapon with someone else. My wife is still kind of warming up to the idea and I wouldn't bring one into the house until I get a decent safe. With out first kid on the way, I want to wait a few months afterwards so I can get used to what our finances will be like with some (as much as possible) regularity. I also want to show my wife that I'm trained in both safety, handling, and storage first. She's not terribly keen on the idea, but I think she'll warm up eventually as I do more training and after our daughter is born. That said I'm not planning on Open Carry/Concealed carry (as work takes me to NJ/NY), at least not anytime soon.
Oh another thing....Thank You Based PA Gun Laws.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Right on. 9mm is a lot of fun and I love my XD subcompact 9mm. It is a lot of fun to shoot and has a lot of power in a small package. I prefer small 9mm's to larger framed models, but they are all a blast to shoot. Also helps that 9mm is just so much cheaper than say .45.
The 870 is always a fun gun and I doubt anyone who fires a load of buck through one, will not have a smile on their face. I love firing all types of shells from bird to buck to slug through my Mossberg 500. Gotta love how cheap shotguns are and how cheap they are to shoot. .22 has never been a favorite of mine, it just feels too much like a loud BB gun to me, not that I would want to be on the receiving end of one.
.45 is amazing and when I bring new people out shooting, that is the one they like the most. It doesn't have near the recoil most expect, more of a push against your hands, than a snap of the barrel like say a .40.
Training is always a good thing and should help to put your wife at ease. The more you do and the more practice you do, the more that firearm will just be an extension of yourself. Can't wait to take a few pistol safety courses myself.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
Darkshier said:
Yeah, I got pretty lucky on the prices (Chris Rock wasn't kidding about expensive ammo as a deterrence to shooting lol). I was an idiot and get 50 Remington 9MM for 15.99 at Dicks...the next day at Walmart I got 100 Federal 9MM for the same price!
Yeah, I went into a gun store earlier in the day (looking for cheaper ammo and getting a feel for prices) and they had a box of shells for 58 bucks. Hell, you can find some crazy deals on Gun Broker too. Actually I'm going to check out online as a source for ammo. I have to admit there is something funny about getting UPS to drop off one's bullets. Shotguns are just fun from a loading and racking perspective. I had a huge smile on my face afterwards, shoulder is still a tad sore though. lol
I can see that, but I think it was really good to start on. If you start to big it's harder to get used to the recoil and noise. I've been told flinching is a bigger issue.
I really can't wait till I try out a Colt 1911. My dad loved that gun as his side arm when he was in the Marines. It's also a reliable as hell weapon.
That's my hope. Truthfully I just wish I had a pistol so I could go offer to the range (which is in a gorgeous area) on weekends and practice on my own, but all in good time.
Leaving for Idaho on Friday. I have the 30-.06 locked in from about 175, still a big hit and miss from 200. Not going to take a shot at an elk from more than 200 yards (and hopefully not more than 175 unless it's the last day) with a 30-.06 anyway so I'm not too worried.
I picked up a short bi-pod trigger stick (I'd like to shoot prone but sitting is my second option) and man, it is freaking rad. I think most of you guys are recreational shooters and hot hunters, but if you're looking for a support stick, the Primos trigger sticks are rad. I looked at bass pro and they're $80 but you can get them on amazon for $58.
Hopefully I'll be coming back with meat, a rack and tons of pictures.
I picked up a short bi-pod trigger stick (I'd like to shoot prone but sitting is my second option) and man, it is freaking rad. I think most of you guys are recreational shooters and hot hunters, but if you're looking for a support stick, the Primos trigger sticks are rad. I looked at bass pro and they're $80 but you can get them on amazon for $58.
Hopefully I'll be coming back with meat, a rack and tons of pictures.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I wish they had rifle hunting in Illinois, but I understand, its flat as hell out here.
I guess I could learn bow?
I guess I could learn bow?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I'm looking into the Gunvault Militia Deluxe. One plus is amazon has it with a huge discount and I can use amazon credit. Actually amazon has a lot of gun storage stuff. I'm planning to get some safe, so I can store valuables and docs and as a way to get my wife used to potentially having a gun in the house or attached storage. I'm also going to get a security cable if I store it in the attached storage.
How do most here store their guns?
How do most here store their guns?
BattleMonkey
Member
So took out my new AK out shooting, felt great and once I had the red dot zero'd in it was incredibly accurate. Was surprised at how smooth to fire, expected more kick out of 7.62x39
Also put many rounds through the shotgun, my shoulder is pretty bruised up now because of it. Looking to possibly get a recoil system or shoulder protector perhaps... any recommendtions? Love shooting the shotgun the most but it really kicks a persons ass after so many rounds.
Also put many rounds through the shotgun, my shoulder is pretty bruised up now because of it. Looking to possibly get a recoil system or shoulder protector perhaps... any recommendtions? Love shooting the shotgun the most but it really kicks a persons ass after so many rounds.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
BattleMonkey said:
I use a buttpad on the stock of my shotgun. Scorpion, is the brand.
Some people like Kick-Eez and I've heard good things about Limb Saver
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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They also make pads that fit under a shoulder that absorb the recoil. I know my shoulder is still sore from Sunday, but man was it fun.BattleMonkey said:
BattleMonkey said:
7.62 isn't too bad, but it definitely has more punch than 5.56. I went from shooting my AR to shooting a PSL, and was a bit surprised at just how much more kick. May have been partly the gun as well, and that we were shooting the PSL prone, but the AR standing up.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I had an opportunity, but had to cancel.
I still want to take a Magpul Dynamics class.
I still want to take a Magpul Dynamics class.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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My recommendation is moar pushups. Unless you are firing bucks and slugs all day, which gets expensive real fast, bird shot shouldn't be hurting that bad. Getting a small bruise on your shoulder is like a trophy when firing a 12 gauge. Hold that gauge really tight into your shoulder, don't give it any room to kick back into you and beat you up.BattleMonkey said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
Taking my NRA First Steps Pistol class this Saturday. I've also made progress with my wife and I'm looking into a safe, though I won't be getting anything for a few months.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I was able to group my five shots for the certificate, funny thing was I thought I was left eye dominate, but it turns out I was right eye dominate. When I went from left to right, my shooting improved greatly.
Regarding safes and guns. I'm going to go with the Gunvault Multi Deluxe, that will allow me to have a general purpose safe and one to keep a pistol or two as I continue to train and improve. It does mean I can't get a shotgun or rifle yet, but it's not like I won't be able to eventually.
I did finally get to fire a .45 and man I don't know if I hit anything, but boy was that fun.
Now I just need to find a good pistol to keep learning on, any ideas?
I'm also applying for my PA Carry License on Monday, apparently living where I do it takes about 20 minutes to get it approved and issue. I'm not really planning on carry, it's just that it makes transporting a gun in PA less of a hassle.
Regarding safes and guns. I'm going to go with the Gunvault Multi Deluxe, that will allow me to have a general purpose safe and one to keep a pistol or two as I continue to train and improve. It does mean I can't get a shotgun or rifle yet, but it's not like I won't be able to eventually.
I did finally get to fire a .45 and man I don't know if I hit anything, but boy was that fun.
Now I just need to find a good pistol to keep learning on, any ideas?
I'm also applying for my PA Carry License on Monday, apparently living where I do it takes about 20 minutes to get it approved and issue. I'm not really planning on carry, it's just that it makes transporting a gun in PA less of a hassle.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
Ughhh
So many choices.
I'm kind of stuck between four types of pistols:
1. Glock- Light and easy, cheap ammo but man are they ugly.
2. 1911- Work of art, heavy and ammo isn't cheap, neither are the guns. Loved moving the slide though.
3. Baretta 92/M9 Good weapon design, nice looking, and okay weight, cheaper 9MM, not a 1911 and my father will make fun of it (1911 guy and he thinks the M9 is junk) lol.
4. Some .22 variant, Ammo cheap, but feels almost like a glorified, but still deadly airsoft. The MP5 knock off was fun to hold.
Oh that Colt M4 was fun to hold, but alas it's 1K and ammo isn't cheap and I won't have Rifle storage.
I just don't know what to get!
So many choices.
I'm kind of stuck between four types of pistols:
1. Glock- Light and easy, cheap ammo but man are they ugly.
2. 1911- Work of art, heavy and ammo isn't cheap, neither are the guns. Loved moving the slide though.
3. Baretta 92/M9 Good weapon design, nice looking, and okay weight, cheaper 9MM, not a 1911 and my father will make fun of it (1911 guy and he thinks the M9 is junk) lol.
4. Some .22 variant, Ammo cheap, but feels almost like a glorified, but still deadly airsoft. The MP5 knock off was fun to hold.
Oh that Colt M4 was fun to hold, but alas it's 1K and ammo isn't cheap and I won't have Rifle storage.
I just don't know what to get!
Lionheart1827
Member
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I started with the 1911. It is so damn iconic, and there are so many different companies you can get them from. A classic. Ammo is a little more expensive than 9mm, but, whatever. If you want to practice more with pistol shooting slowly though, start with a .22 and move up.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I was afraid you'd say a .22 they're so cheap and so are the ammo, and man was holding the prelawsuit GSG MP5 tonight, just awesome (but alas no long guns for the moment). Ideally I'd be happy with a .22 and a 9mm to start as I've trained on them the most. Truthfully being in a gun store is like being at a toy story as a kid, though for obvious reasons I don't like using that analogy too much. LolLionheart1827 said:
At least with 1911s I can get a RIA and a few places have cheap Remington ones. Though I could always get the 1911 .22 versions for cheap get a Baretta or Glock...so not easy to choose.
Neuromancer
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I love Glocks, I think they're great weapons. OK maybe the style doesn't suit you but they're dependable as hell and I love the trigger pull. I had a Glock 19 (9mm) as my duty weapon for about 5 years, man I loved that gun. Then they took it away from me, I had to go to a Sig Saur 229 (40cal) and I hated it.
Only very recently did I get the ability to use a personally owned Glock instead, so I bought a Glock 26 from one of my coworkers and actually practiced with it today. It's an excellent, very compact little gun. I highly recommend a Glock 19 or if you want something more compact, the 26.
The day I turn in the Sig Saur I'll be a happy man.
Only very recently did I get the ability to use a personally owned Glock instead, so I bought a Glock 26 from one of my coworkers and actually practiced with it today. It's an excellent, very compact little gun. I highly recommend a Glock 19 or if you want something more compact, the 26.
The day I turn in the Sig Saur I'll be a happy man.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Out of those, I would go with the Glock, depending on the model. I am guessing you are thinking of either the G17 or the G19. Both are excellent firearms and maybe ugly to some, but certainly reliable as hell and easy to work with. Cheap accessories (mags!) and lighter weight than the others are both good reasons to go with a Glock. I would go with a g19 and get some g17 mags to go with it.Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
1911's are certainly nice and no doubt very iconic. I just feel a hundred year old pistol design is kind of outdated, too many internal parts in comparison to the glock. Less firepower as well with not as many rounds in the mag as say a g17. Extreme amounts of customization though, have to give that edge to the 1911.
Beretta 92, not a bad firearm at all. I am just personally a fan of tupperware than an all metal framed 9mm. .22, I would rather just step up to a 9mm. Sure .22 is cheap and you can shoot one all day, but the 9mm isn't that much more expensive and you get so much more firepower with one. 127 and 147 grain +p's are no joke.
Of course, I went with the Springfield XD's. .45 Tactical in OD Green and a 9mm subcompact in black are my two of choice. Prefer the grip of the XD over the Glock and I was able to get 2 extra mags for each pistol thrown in due to a promotion. Also prefer the added grip safety over just the trigger safety of the Glock. Smith and Wesson M&P's are also really nice pistols as well and worth taking a look at.
Lots of good choices out there for pistols and in every price range. Best thing to do is narrow it down to what caliber you want to go with and then go from there. I would recommend 9mm to start though as it is cheaper to shoot, which means more range/practice time.
Of those four, for a first pistol, I would take the 92, as long as you have hands big enough for it. It does have chunky grips, so make sure, you can get smaller gripped versions too. 9mm is a good defensive round, cheap so you can practise more, and the 92 should be more reliable than most 1911's.
Edit: That said, if I could only have one pistol for ever and ever, and someone else was paying for ammo, I would take a 1911 happily.
Edit: That said, if I could only have one pistol for ever and ever, and someone else was paying for ammo, I would take a 1911 happily.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I guess I'm leaning towards a Glock or the Baretta 92 as the 1911 is just going to have to wait until a little later, due to costl As others have said .22 while cheap just isn't worth the lack of firepower. I love charging. 9mm mag while .22 just feels like a toy...which I know it isn't and would never say that around kids.
Now i just need to do research on Glocks as my knowledge is somewhat limited. I guess it will come down to price, but I know Glock will be cheaper.
One huge plus in PA with a mag is stuff as much ammo in it as you want!
Now i just need to do research on Glocks as my knowledge is somewhat limited. I guess it will come down to price, but I know Glock will be cheaper.
One huge plus in PA with a mag is stuff as much ammo in it as you want!
BattleMonkey
Member
John Mclain used a 92f.... good enough for me.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
I know the caliber difference, I am talking overall firepower. 17+1 or even 19+1 (possibly even 33+1) with a g17, is a hell of a lot more firepower than 7+1 in a 1911. Caliber doesn't mean much if you aren't hitting what you are shooting at, and 18 rounds gives you a much better chance than 8. Not to mention the recoil difference in a 9mm vs a .45.dIEHARD said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Variants and the model itself also pop up in a crap ton of Hong Kong action films, which I'll admit kind of temps me.BattleMonkey said:
Hell Commando is why I feel in love with guns in the first place, so why shouldnt movie use be a consideration! Lol
BattleMonkey
Member
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Why I got my baretta as my first gun. Always loved the design, tis sexy and was in all the cool old flicks.
Neuromancer
Member
Good question, probably just the 229. It's a huge gun compared to what I was used to, I think it's harder to conceal on your person. Don't care for the trigger pull either.Dead Man said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Good to know I'm not alone in looking at guns with mindset.BattleMonkey said:
Yeah, they've got some balls calling it a compact. Never fired a 229, but a friend had a 226 that had a shit trigger too. That first DA pull was just woeful. It's a pity, I want to like Sigs, I think they have some great models, they just don't click with me.Neuromancer said:
Shot guns for the first time this weekend and the experience was generally enjoyable.
M1 Carbine - smooth, easy shot, barely felt any recoil
AR-15 - Felt the most kickback from this gun, but I also think my stance was a little poor while shooting this. Would like to give it another shot.
CAR-15 - This felt a little more substantial than the M1 in the hand but still had very light recoil.
FN-SCAR - Felt quite heavy, which was a little uncomfortable but it felt like it compensated for the recoil.
Desert Eagle .44 Magnum - Only pistol I shot and by far the most enjoyable to shoot. The gun felt heavy yet manageable, and despite the noticeable kickback the recoil felt mild and the shots were accurate. Had five shots and planted four heads and one center chest at ~20-30 feet, which was a surprise since I thought the gun had a "reputation" for being a kicker.
I'd love to shoot more often but unless informed otherwise I don't think there are too many ranges easily accessible from NYC. Also, the incremental cost, particularly for rifles and larger caliber bullets, seems like it would add up quick even beyond the initial investment of the actual firearm.
M1 Carbine - smooth, easy shot, barely felt any recoil
AR-15 - Felt the most kickback from this gun, but I also think my stance was a little poor while shooting this. Would like to give it another shot.
CAR-15 - This felt a little more substantial than the M1 in the hand but still had very light recoil.
FN-SCAR - Felt quite heavy, which was a little uncomfortable but it felt like it compensated for the recoil.
Desert Eagle .44 Magnum - Only pistol I shot and by far the most enjoyable to shoot. The gun felt heavy yet manageable, and despite the noticeable kickback the recoil felt mild and the shots were accurate. Had five shots and planted four heads and one center chest at ~20-30 feet, which was a surprise since I thought the gun had a "reputation" for being a kicker.
I'd love to shoot more often but unless informed otherwise I don't think there are too many ranges easily accessible from NYC. Also, the incremental cost, particularly for rifles and larger caliber bullets, seems like it would add up quick even beyond the initial investment of the actual firearm.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Liked this guys vids on Glock 17s so I'm happy he did this one to:
Glock vs Baretta 92FS
Glock vs Baretta 92FS
ChocolatePuddin
Member
Glocks are excellent, the FBI use it as there carrying weapon.I carry a 23 and its perfect, the Sig,s are also really good if you have the big $.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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ChocolatePuddin said:
I'll admit they do seem nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXS3c110Te4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Baretta's are a bit finicky though. My trooper buddy had tons of issues with his, along with others, enough so that PSP went to Glock in 45GAP. His baretta when he still had it had a catastrophic failure and blew up on him. His face has scars now from it. When I was in the academy, one had a Baretta there and it had issues as well, not to mention the guy with the Taurus knock-off design.
If you like Glocks, I'm going to suggest you look at Springfield XDMs. Nice large capacities in them, built solid, and shoot great. Not to mention a good price. Had a 295/300 qualify with one with little experience with it at the time. I'm actually selling it tomorrow ironically enough. But, that's going towards a HK45 now. I love me some HKs. The prices on the other hand, hurt.
Still amazes me though every time I go to the range and shoot my back up/cc HK P2000SK which is in .357sig, people always stop and look when I shoot. I like when people don't have their ears on and they tell me to go ahead anyways, so I shoot and you see them get their ears on pretty fast.
If you like Glocks, I'm going to suggest you look at Springfield XDMs. Nice large capacities in them, built solid, and shoot great. Not to mention a good price. Had a 295/300 qualify with one with little experience with it at the time. I'm actually selling it tomorrow ironically enough. But, that's going towards a HK45 now. I love me some HKs. The prices on the other hand, hurt.
Still amazes me though every time I go to the range and shoot my back up/cc HK P2000SK which is in .357sig, people always stop and look when I shoot. I like when people don't have their ears on and they tell me to go ahead anyways, so I shoot and you see them get their ears on pretty fast.
fastford58
Member
Davidion said:
60% more recoil on the .50AE than the .44 is the number i have heard...what exactly that means, I have no idea. I have only the .50AE.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Forgot to add I got my PA Carry License on Monday, it pretty much took a grand total of 15 minutes from handing in the form (I had it prefilled) till I was out the door with card in hand. Funny thing was I checked target shooting as the reason and they put Self Defense on it. Apparently they do this for all applications regardless of what you check.
Man it will be pretty sweet if the nationwide reciprocity bill passes. It will make traveling with a firearm (say to hunt, target shoot, self defense, etc) so easy. Right now you can travel interstate only under strict rules to protect you from a state you are passing through from screwing you over.
Man it will be pretty sweet if the nationwide reciprocity bill passes. It will make traveling with a firearm (say to hunt, target shoot, self defense, etc) so easy. Right now you can travel interstate only under strict rules to protect you from a state you are passing through from screwing you over.
fastford58
Member
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Being in Canuckistan, I can only imagine the great feeling you must have knowing that in a dangerous situation, you have the means to protect yourself.
Up here, we just bend over and grab our ankles and let the criminals hoop us until the police arrive. While we do have a watered down form of "Castle Doctrine" in regards to home invasion, you better be sure of your action before you pull the trigger on a bad guy or you're going to jail.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well at the moment I only have the licence, but it is nice to know.fastford58 said:
Not the case in Pennsylvania, we just upgraded to Castle Doctrine...and it's more like the Mobile Castle Doctrine!fastford58 said:
Here is the final text of the bill FWIW
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS...d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0040&pn=1038
Some highlights from the bill
In PA you wave a fork at someone the wrong way at a picnic table...bam!
Harry Dresden
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I really don't like glocks.
Its nothing against their performance or anything, I just don't like how they feel in my hand.
My Beretta 92FS is still my favorite pistol and I've put plenty of rounds through it without having any problems.
My dream gun would be a H&K USP in .45ACP.
Its nothing against their performance or anything, I just don't like how they feel in my hand.
My Beretta 92FS is still my favorite pistol and I've put plenty of rounds through it without having any problems.
My dream gun would be a H&K USP in .45ACP.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Harry Dresden said:
I have to say holding them, I really did like how light the Glock was, it was weird in a way. My wife (yes I got her to go along!) liked the Glock more ("still don't want a gun in house" blah blah, she's coming along though
) and figures sine the ammo's cheaper, I'm more familiar with 9mm and it's really easy (though the guy at the store had trouble) to disassemble and clean with few parts. It seems like a good learning handgun. I have to get over the look of it, but aesthetic issues can only go so far I guess. Now my question is which Glock to get, there are a ton of types with different revisions. It's like Apple products. lol
http://www.glock.com/downloads/GLOCK_en.pdf
Mammoth Jones
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Still trying to figure out what ammunition I should be using for a home defense shotgun. I have a 12ga Benelli Nova and while I don't want to over-penetrate the walls, I do want to be able to stop a target if need be.
Ugh.
Ugh.
BattleMonkey
Member
Mammoth Jones said:
Just some regular buckshot is good enough. Want some extra power then perhaps go for some magnum buckshot. You shouldn't get much penetration and you do have quite a bit of power.
Harry Dresden
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If I ever have money to piss away I am getting a Ruger Blackhawk.
I learned how to shoot using a Single Six, so it would be appropriate for me to one day own its big brother.
I learned how to shoot using a Single Six, so it would be appropriate for me to one day own its big brother.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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BattleMonkey said:
I've always wondered with regular buckshot, and I know the spread isn't massive, isn't there a risk of lots of property damage if you're off even a little? I mean I understand it's a tradeoff and why a little property damage is better than being dead, it's just something I've always wondered about.
Mammoth Jones said:
If over penetration is that much a factor, birdshot is good enough for inside the house home defense. I've seen it's effects first hand, and it goes with what many pros say.
Congrats Manos, it's a good feeling to have that. I had a CCL before I went to be a LEO and it didn't take that long back then neither iirc. And yes, PA does take care of gun owners really well. The thing you have to watch when traveling over state lines that "can" jam you up is in specific the ammunition you have loaded in there. Many places don't like that in PA you can use hollow points. And, of course, you have to steer clear of government buildings and know of "city first-class" type stuff where you're traveling as well.