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That's what I'm probably going to do.
May I ask about an old gun?
I have this 22 F.B. Radom 1933 kbks.wz31 rifle that my grandfather brought back from WWII and I'm looking for information on it - the possible value and the history of the weapon. I am not interested in selling, I would just like to know more about it. I also have a letter detailing his find, and how he came to acquire it back in the war.
It still fires beautifully. I actually did so just earlier today and it is super sharp. The safety and everything is just fine, so other than wear and tear it is in great condition.
I'll post up a few pictures while I'm at it - I'll only post the full picture of the gun here in the post, and the rest of them in spoiler tags...
(Ok, I thought I could spoiler images but I guess I was wrong. I'll delete some of these if you guys want me to.)
I have this 22 F.B. Radom 1933 kbks.wz31 rifle that my grandfather brought back from WWII and I'm looking for information on it - the possible value and the history of the weapon. I am not interested in selling, I would just like to know more about it. I also have a letter detailing his find, and how he came to acquire it back in the war.
It still fires beautifully. I actually did so just earlier today and it is super sharp. The safety and everything is just fine, so other than wear and tear it is in great condition.
I'll post up a few pictures while I'm at it - I'll only post the full picture of the gun here in the post, and the rest of them in spoiler tags...
(Ok, I thought I could spoiler images but I guess I was wrong. I'll delete some of these if you guys want me to.)
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
From what I can dig up, it looks to a pretty rare, pre-World War Two single shot military trainer from Poland, made by Fabryka Broni Radom. In really good condition, my source says is worth about $2k, but that could probably really vary. Your's looks rather worn and not in perfect condition, but probably still worth a pretty penny, would be my guess.
http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/RiflesMauser.html That's my source Google scrounged up for me, not sure on it's credibility, but it seems legit. Your gun seems to fit all the descriptors for it as well.
Do you mind sharing your grandfather's story about how he acquired it?
Thanks for the information! I'm more than open to more comments from others as well.
I don't mind a bit. My grandfather was a demolitions expert in WWII, and traveled to many countries over his years in the war. One of his main jobs for a while was in the disabling of landmines used to destroy our tanks and the like. He would ride out in the open on the front of the tanks to spot upcoming landmines, and would alert them to warn them to stop, and he would then hop down to disable them.
One day, they were traveling down a road and they came underfire by a bunch of soldiers in a building, and up at the top of the tower was an older woman with this gun using it to fire down at our troops. He said it was one of the closest he ever got to being killed since he was in the open, and the shots were showering down from above. The entire building was sprayed with bullets to take them all out, including the woman up at the top. They had to go in and clear the building out, and my grandfather worked his way through the building to the top of the tower, and claimed this gun as his own, almost as a trophy as many soldiers did in the war.
I almost doubted the story for years, but last year, years after he passed away, we found both a letter he wrote home that day to my grandmother and official documents detailing the entire incident, just as he had told us all of those years. I would never sale the gun, and I love having the letters and everything that even go on to explain it all. I have lots of his other letters too, and some from my great uncle that he wrote to my grandmother before he was killed in the war. It is some great, great stuff.
Good time to join the NRA if you haven't considering what is on Congress' agenda this year.
Found this deal on GlockTalk:
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Discounted membership + $25 Bass Pro GC.
Found this deal on GlockTalk:
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?CampaignID=bassprowy
Discounted membership + $25 Bass Pro GC.
fastford58
Member
Got out to the range yesterday with my Norinco Type 56 SKS. I paid $75 for the rifle still in the cosmoline.
The thing was a great shooter out of the box, but I had doubts about ranging it beyond 200m with any amount of consistency.
So I took it out to 300m, through the iron sights. To say I was impressed is an understatement. This rifle is easily combat effective out to 300m, and probably out to 400m with a better shooter.
Here's a vid I shot of the last 15 rnds of the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH8EG19DWKg
The thing was a great shooter out of the box, but I had doubts about ranging it beyond 200m with any amount of consistency.
So I took it out to 300m, through the iron sights. To say I was impressed is an understatement. This rifle is easily combat effective out to 300m, and probably out to 400m with a better shooter.
Here's a vid I shot of the last 15 rnds of the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH8EG19DWKg
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
Supposedly this is happening today in IL
The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will introduce a so called assault weapons ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its lame duck session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.
Based on what we know about Cullertons bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called assault weapons but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.
The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will introduce a so called assault weapons ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its lame duck session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.
Based on what we know about Cullertons bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called assault weapons but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Jesus Christ. That's disgusting.
BattleMonkey
Member
lol
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
Basically I see it (living in IL) as
Either way It's scary that with all the problems IL has they are going after something like this. They have the supposed resources to go after the law abiding citizens who register, but can't be bothered to stop any gang violence or other criminal shootings that happen every day.
Not to mention the current laws were struck down as unconstitutional very recently.
- A way to pass something less draconian to have it look like a compromise
- Appease certain supporters and voters
- Act as a feeler gauge to see just how close they can get to passing something like this
Either way It's scary that with all the problems IL has they are going after something like this. They have the supposed resources to go after the law abiding citizens who register, but can't be bothered to stop any gang violence or other criminal shootings that happen every day.
Not to mention the current laws were struck down as unconstitutional very recently.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Is the seizing of private property like that even allowed?
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
If It's deemed illegal and you haven't handed them in within the window then I would assume raids, search and seize would be done, who knows. I haven't seen how they would propose to handle private sale circumstances where you no longer have the weapon either.
Oh those guns? Those burned up in a barn fire at my uncles house a few months ago.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
Here is some more info on what is known at this time.
Here are the proposed bills:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...arms-ban-and-mag-registration-bills-revealed/
That link is banned for me at work, but I read the article on the NRA's site:
House Bill 815 would:
- Prohibit anyone without a FOID card from using a commercial shooting range, which in many cases would make it impossible to introduce new shooters to the safe and responsible use of firearms.
- Grant the State Police broad discretion to impose design, construction and operation standards that could shut down most commercial shooting ranges.
- Ban possession of magazines and other feeding devices that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition. A "grandfather clause" would require registration by owners of such devices and give the State Police discretion to impose and charge fees. Registration would require "proof of ownership" that could be impossible for most people to provide, and even registered owners could not transfer magazines within Illinois, except to an heir or a licensed dealer. Transfers of "grandfathered magazines" would have to be reported to the ISP.
- Violations of this magazine ban would be a felony. Failure to report theft or loss of a magazine would be a misdemeanor until the third violation, which would be a felony.
House Bill 1263 would:
- Ban, at a minimum, all detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Remington 7400 deer rifles, Ruger 10/22 squirrel guns, Glocks, 1911s, etc. This ban would include about 80% of handguns now sold in the U.S.
- Possibly ban all semi-automatic rifles and even revolvers or single-shot pistols with the capacity to accept muzzle brakes or compensators.
- Ban "assault weapon attachments," so possession of a thumbhole stock, a pistol grip,or a fore-end (a "shroud" that "partially or completely encircles the barrel") would be a crime even if you didn't possess a firearm.
- Ban all .50 BMG rifles.
- Contains "grandfather" provisions that would require registration by owners of devices and give the State Police discretion to impose and charge fees. Registration would require "proof of ownership."
- Create felony penalties for violation of this ban on guns or attachments.
- Create lost and stolen penalties that would criminalize victims of gun theft.
House Bill 815 would:
- Prohibit anyone without a FOID card from using a commercial shooting range, which in many cases would make it impossible to introduce new shooters to the safe and responsible use of firearms.
- Grant the State Police broad discretion to impose design, construction and operation standards that could shut down most commercial shooting ranges.
- Ban possession of magazines and other feeding devices that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition. A "grandfather clause" would require registration by owners of such devices and give the State Police discretion to impose and charge fees. Registration would require "proof of ownership" that could be impossible for most people to provide, and even registered owners could not transfer magazines within Illinois, except to an heir or a licensed dealer. Transfers of "grandfathered magazines" would have to be reported to the ISP.
- Violations of this magazine ban would be a felony. Failure to report theft or loss of a magazine would be a misdemeanor until the third violation, which would be a felony.
House Bill 1263 would:
- Ban, at a minimum, all detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Remington 7400 deer rifles, Ruger 10/22 squirrel guns, Glocks, 1911s, etc. This ban would include about 80% of handguns now sold in the U.S.
- Possibly ban all semi-automatic rifles and even revolvers or single-shot pistols with the capacity to accept muzzle brakes or compensators.
- Ban "assault weapon attachments," so possession of a thumbhole stock, a pistol grip,or a fore-end (a "shroud" that "partially or completely encircles the barrel") would be a crime even if you didn't possess a firearm.
- Ban all .50 BMG rifles.
- Contains "grandfather" provisions that would require registration by owners of devices and give the State Police discretion to impose and charge fees. Registration would require "proof of ownership."
- Create felony penalties for violation of this ban on guns or attachments.
- Create lost and stolen penalties that would criminalize victims of gun theft.
Mammoth Jones
Member
That's just piss poor legislation. I mean, really bad.
BattleMonkey
Member
Forcing registration of owned guns stops crime or crazy people how?
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Just picked up a Ruger Mk.3!
fun little pistol.
I am contemplating adding a burris red dot to it....
They make an adapter so you can mount it directly in the rear dovetail. My only problem is I can't decide if I want to do this or just mount it to the scope base that came with the gun. It looks cleaner in the dovetail bit you lose your iron sights.
fun little pistol.
I am contemplating adding a burris red dot to it....
They make an adapter so you can mount it directly in the rear dovetail. My only problem is I can't decide if I want to do this or just mount it to the scope base that came with the gun. It looks cleaner in the dovetail bit you lose your iron sights.
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Just got my 5320.2 forms back approved from the ATF. Taking my MP40 and PPSH-41, and going to blow apart a few old truck axles in Houma LA this weekend.
im assuming its safe to say that AR prices have tripled across the entire country and not just the north east? I was in the market to get one but not for 2500 bucks.
With that being said, i was able to score a pretty good deal from my electrician who was selling his beretta. Was able to get an M9 with 3x 15 shot mags for 200 bucks.
Id like to round out my collection with a USP45 Tactical and some sort of AR. Havent done much research for this yet.
With that being said, i was able to score a pretty good deal from my electrician who was selling his beretta. Was able to get an M9 with 3x 15 shot mags for 200 bucks.
Id like to round out my collection with a USP45 Tactical and some sort of AR. Havent done much research for this yet.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Pretty sure the state government would get sued to oblivion then the legislation eventually thrown out by the US Supreme Court if not a lower court beforehand.
Just got my 5320.2 forms back approved from the ATF. Taking my MP40 and PPSH-41, and going to blow apart a few old truck axles in Houma LA this weekend.
hmm I am jealous. Curious with civilian AR-15 semi's going nuts what the value of your class 3 guns is now O_O
In other news I just heard from my buddy that he is going to start manufacturing 1911s. I've always kind of wanted one. I told him I would be available for any testing he wants me to do
Mammoth Jones
Member
Agreed but when people say "Oh, pish posh! No one is trying to take away all your guns!" and then shit like this is proposed it makes it hard to think there isn't an agenda by some to get rid of all guns. Let's be blunt...there are a lot of people that would be very pleased with civilian disarmament in the US.
Looks like they've aimed high knowing that they have a lot of room to compromise and still get some restrictions passed.
Of course people want to do that, but without a constitutional amendment, or a radical reinterpretation of the constitution by the SC, it's not possible. Doesn't mean it's not worth paying attention, just that it is not worth claiming they are a reasonable threat and then looking like a crazy person yourself which only harms the reasonable gun people.
Even as someone who wants more gun control, this is stupid and should never get past the committee stage.
Yeah here in the midwest their selling like crazy. Their back-ordered and struggling to meet demand.
It doesn't, but it makes anti gun nuts feel better about taking rights away from people they disagree with politically.
Lionheart1827
Member
Anybody in NY read the shitty bill that Cuomo just passed?
Fucking unbelievable.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/120400946/Cuomo-gun-bill-fact-sheet
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A02388&term=2013&Summary=Y&Text=Y
Fucking unbelievable.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/120400946/Cuomo-gun-bill-fact-sheet
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A02388&term=2013&Summary=Y&Text=Y
soundscream
Member
7 rd magazines for a handgun is kind of nuts.
vagabondarts
Member
New pistol pic!
I finally get a .22 for cheap shooting fun, and now I can't find ammo for it any where! GAH!!
That's absolutely lovely.
Also, subscribed for great justice.
1 down 49 to go. Remember it's for the children.
i love the keeping guns out of school section. As if someone who is intent on killing people at a school gives a shit if its a misdemeanor or a felony.
uh.. wow. Sometimes it is nice to live in the more redneck parts of the country
Sounds like they want everyone to have 1911s.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Yep. Fucking stupid. I mean, I approve of half the bill but the 7 round magazine limit is fucking stupid as hell.
5 people in the state were killed with semi-auto rifles.
And I mean, there were many parts of the law I agree with. Having better storage for guns in homes with people with criminal or mental history is just common sense.
But 7 round magazine limits? Ugh. I did read that we could keep our 10 round magazines but can only put 7 rounds in it when shooting, LMAO. How does that get enforced?!
I'm seriously tempted to move out the State.
Move to Texas. They are the only ones with enough balls to enforce what the constitution stands for.
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/15/...-bans-unenforceable-within-states-boundaries/
Icefire1424
Member
My condolences to NY Gun GAF.
Been lurking the thread since one of my buddies down South took me shooting, and have been interested since. Shot a Mosin Nagant, an AR, a few 9mm pistols, a 1911, a .44 revolver and a few shotguns, and loved every minute of it. Looking to join a sportsmans club close to where I live, and already have my eye on a rifle from a dealer up here (fortunately for me, I happen to be fond of WW2 era bolt actions, so wouldn't be affected by the new law).
Been lurking the thread since one of my buddies down South took me shooting, and have been interested since. Shot a Mosin Nagant, an AR, a few 9mm pistols, a 1911, a .44 revolver and a few shotguns, and loved every minute of it. Looking to join a sportsmans club close to where I live, and already have my eye on a rifle from a dealer up here (fortunately for me, I happen to be fond of WW2 era bolt actions, so wouldn't be affected by the new law).
dorkimoe
Member
Yes and i was excited thinking we were going to get Conceal carry, but then the shooting happened, no way we get it now.
And to think I was so close to getting an AK a few weeks before too, now I'll never find one at a reasonable priceHey guys, look on the bright side. This baby fits perfectly within the new laws!
*edit* Damnit, it's 12. Thought it was 5/5. Better buy one soon.
Possibly my next weapon. Thats around the range I expected to get a shotgun for.
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