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Oh yes, do want.Thanks.Have you tried the aluminum grips for the 75? They're significantly thinner than most of the other options and give it the 'flat-sided' feel of the P-07/09. I've got the grooved Hogue wraparounds on mine currently and they pretty much complete the gun for me, with just enough bulk under the palms.
GungHo
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For storage I use a safe, but yeah... back and forth to the range I use basically the same kind of bag. I don't really like advertising "hey, there's a gun in here, so why don't you follow me home for even more guns".
MisterNoisy
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I love that crazy-looking revolver, but if I'm completely honest, most people would probably be happier with a Ruger GP100 with the big Hogue grips. The Rhino has a strange manual of arms, but the low-barrel design makes shooting full-house .357 hilariously easy once you get used to it. The DA trigger is super-heavy and generally unfriendly, but SA is amazing. The grip is pretty good - it points very naturally and discourages the sort of thumbs-forward hold that would get you some lovely powder burns. The Rhino in fast SA is just the ticket for making people think you're some sort of pro at the range and I get a lot of questions about it - it's by far my most-loaned gun.
I'd love to get it but I live in MA where I can only buy guns that are on the state approved list. It sucks. In reality means that you can only get stuff from the few major manufacturers and only the most common mass market models because they don't want to spend time and money getting every single model examined and approved just to sell a few guns in a tiny blue state.
So one of my brother's friends has a CZ52 that he doesn't want and is offering it up for free. The bore's a bit dark, but otherwise it looks tip-top. I think I'm going to give him some cash for it just because, but I'm definitely adding this funky roller-locked gun to the collection.
EDIT: Here it is (2nd clockwise from top-right) with the rest of my current handgun collection:
That Rhino. So want. Much envy.
MisterNoisy
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Just got gifted a Ruger Super Blackhawk from my pops, who hates the SAA-style grip. Ran a bunch of .44Spl through it for funsies last weekend and I dig it.
Pic of it with my other wheelies:
Can't recommend it enough. Go for it.
Pic of it with my other wheelies:
Can't recommend it enough. Go for it.
BattleMonkey
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Well if you want a cheap 9mm, don't go with a glock
MisterNoisy
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Not sure I follow - Glocks are fairly inexpensive. That said, a CZ-75B costs about the same and would be my default pick unless you want to carry.
Just got gifted a Ruger Super Blackhawk from my pops, who hates the SAA-style grip. Ran a bunch of .44Spl through it for funsies last weekend and I dig it.
Pic of it with my other wheelies:
Can't recommend it enough. Go for it.
Not on MA allowed list as such I can't buy it.
Here is the accursed list of what the dealers are allowed to sell in MA
http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-reg-and-laws/frb/approved-rosters/
What the fuck? That list makes no sense.
that's what we in MA have to deal with
every gun sold in MA has to be tested for safety which involves our state govt smashing FIVE sample guns to see if they fire accidentally
many companies say "screw it" and don't bother
Looks like every variant in every calibre has to be tested. Yikes.
Speaking of strict gun laws, I finished my safety course last weekend so I'll be able to purchase my first handgun in, oh, 8-9 months time (NSW, Australia). That's assuming the paperwork isn't held up or lost at some point. I still have at least six more club shoots to finish and some mandatory waiting periods, etc.
At this stage I'm looking at something like a CZ-75, SP-01 or variant because I eventually want to get into IPSC production, but I have plenty of time to make up my mind. I'll hopefully be able to get some hands-on in the coming months with a variety of guns (apart from the .22 club guns they do the training with).
It's hard to pick a favorite handgun but my CZ SP-01 Tactical is amazing. I'm sure ARMartin feels the same way about his.
I like my SP-01 Shadow a lot, but it's a bit too large for my hand and the angle isn't optimal, the trigger reset is long, and now and then I'm getting a weird malfunction that has to do with the trigger. I bought it on the strength of its reputation (and Production wins) without having the opportunity to shoot one. Was too concerned with absolute accuracy and "traditionally good" trigger because it was going to be my first/only gun and I wanted it to do everything well, but now with a little bit of IPSC experience my priorities are different. Good fit is everything. I have seriously considered getting a Glock because their fit is good for me; trigger reset better as well.
lostsupper
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Fit/ergo is the most important thing.
To anyone considering a firearm purchase, spend time at the range with one before buying.
It's worth the drive to a range that rents different models to see how well they fit your hand and natural pointing.
Absolutely. A shooting newbie may find it hard to tell the difference in the suitability of the grip, though, as they might not grip any gun consistently to begin with. For me the difference stands out when I have to establish a grip while drawing from a holster, and when I fire several shots in quick succession. With the Shadow it's hard for me to establish the optimal grip reliably on the draw, and I can't hold that optimal grip position during recoil over many shots - the gun inevitably twists very slightly in the hand into a worse position. That has an especially direct effect on results in single-handed shooting, but also messes up with consistency in two-handed shooting.
TL;DR: to actually trust the fit of the gun is good for you, you have to fire it. Very carefully establish the best possible grip (get someone to help you if you aren't a shooter). Fire it with one hand, the other hand, both hands, and look/feel very carefully whether you are able to maintain identical grip after recoil. The only thing you may learn from holding a gun without firing it is that it obviously doesn't fit you.
Natural pointing, roughly corresponding to grip angle, is nowhere near as important. The SP-01 doesn't point as naturally for me as e.g. a Glock, but it has never been a problem when shooting the SP-01. At least if you only shoot one pistol, you quickly learn to adjust your aiming to match whatever grip angle it has, so that sights just appear directly on top of the target without adjustment.
No need to carry. Would actually prefer to hammer fired pistol over a striker pistol but the ones I want are pretty spendy. So I'm looking at either the CZ-75B (great suggestion... don't know why I didn't think of it) or the Sig 2022.
EDIT: Decided on none of the above.
Found a new Taurus Millennium PT 111 G2 for $290. Can't pass that up!
MisterNoisy
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No need to carry. Would actually prefer to hammer fired pistol over a striker pistol but the ones I want are pretty spendy. So I'm looking at either the CZ-75B (great suggestion... don't know why I didn't think of it) or the Sig 2022.
EDIT: Decided on none of the above.
Great little gun - I've tried the original 111 and the G2 (loaners from range neighbors) and if I needed/wanted a carry gun, it'd be on the short list. Taurus catches a lot of shit from gun snobs (particularly wheelgun snobs), but I think they make fine firearms. Congrats!
Nice. Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about them. I'll be ordering it tomorrow when the rest of my paycheck goes through.
In other news, I finally have my Mossberg configured the way I want it.
I replaced the crappy "Maverick" style forend with the more classic style. This mean buying a new slide action tube which had the added benefit of making the gun's slide feel 10 times smoother. Sounds better too.
The Hogue grip is extremely comfortable and on the front what looks like a magazine extension is actually a laser sight. All I wanted was a fake extension to make it more flush with the barrel but that's all I could find. Works great though.
Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about them. I'll be ordering it tomorrow when the rest of my paycheck goes through. In other news, I finally have my Mossberg configured the way I want it.
I replaced the crappy "Maverick" style forend with the more classic style. This mean buying a new slide action tube which had the added benefit of making the gun's slide feel 10 times smoother. Sounds better too.
The Hogue grip is extremely comfortable and on the front what looks like a magazine extension is actually a laser sight. All I wanted was a fake extension to make it more flush with the barrel but that's all I could find. Works great though.
My buddy started building AR's to sell, and I decided to buy one from him. Looks pretty great, but I haven't shot it yet due to my work schedule. Any particular red dot you all might recommend? The range I frequent is about 100 yards. Also looking to get into some 3-gun competitions.
Pics for those interested.
Pics for those interested.
He paid roughly $735 for the parts and charged me $750, which I sorta felt bad about but he said he was happy to give me a good deal as I've been wanting one for a while. He sells what he builds at a local gun shop and this particular gun was gonna be $900 on the shelf, so it was a hell of a deal (for me).
MisterNoisy
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I'm in the same boat - thinking about a varmint-type (24" bull barrel, flattop, etc.) black rifle build/purchase now that I've got way too many handguns.
EDIT: How ya like the Sig, hwalker?
Gotta send it back. Wont lock the slide with an empty magazine. Grip, feel, trigger, recoil and sights are incredible.
Eighty Deuce
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Thanks to Carnik con im now considering purchasing an AK
MisterNoisy
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Lately, primers and bullets are as hard to get as factory cartridges, and most of the calibers I shoot are as cheap to buy new ammo for as reload, the exception being .44 Spl/Mag, .45LC and Pops's .454. As a result, the Lee 4-hole I got Pops doesn't see much action. :/
Glad to hear you're getting into the sport/hobby. Got any ideas as to what you're looking for as a 'first gun'? I'd recommend a .22LR pistol (Ruger MkIII, Beretta Neos, Browning Buckmark), but most people want to jump straight into larger calibers.
Looks like I will get my little Taurus Millennium G2 on Tuesday. Woot. Though I have no idea when the ammo I ordered is supposed to get here.
EDIT: Sweet, it came a day early.
Congrats! Post a range report when you get a chance.
ARM812 is.
To be honest with you, the way it's structured over here, I think I'll be be glad to get off the .22lr guns for a while. Skip the next two paragraphs if tl;dr
Basically, I'm shooting on a form that allows me to shoot supervised while I await my probationary pistol license. Once I get that licence, hopefully in two weeks or so, I can't buy any guns for the first six months, so I'll mostly be using club pistols for my trainee shoots, of which there is a minimum number to complete. These trainee shoots are all with the 22lr pistols they use for this - either Ruger Mark IIIs (which aren't bad) or some single action revolvers they have. After that I can book in for my "graduation" whatever that entails, I think it's a half day test and assessment kind of deal, and only then will they sign off on the required Permit to Acquire (PTA) form required to buy a handgun and that can only happen after the first six months of my probationary license. Even then I have to send that into the firearms register and wait another 6 weeks or so for the first PTA to be approved, assuming all the background checks are done. The good news is after the first PTA, all subsequent ones are reasonably quick.
So, after all that, in the second six months of my probational pistol license, I'm allowed to buy two handguns. Ideally I'd like to buy a rimfire and a centrefire, but for some reason I can only have 2 centrefire or 2 rimfire, not one of each. So I'm just going to get a centrefire and look at a rimfire after I get my full pistol license. As I said, I'll be over .22lr for a while and I don't want to be stuck mostly with shooting that for what's going to be well over 12 months.
Anyway, I'm still leaning towards a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow. They're quite popular over here for IPSC Production, which I want to get into, and they're reported to be a soft shooter, which will help me in the beginning. I've yet to try one though - outside of 22s I've only fired a Baretta 92FS and some Springfield 1911 9mm (I preferred the 1911). My groupings were pretty consistent with the 22s I was shooting, which indicates that at least flinching wasn't an issue for me.
The other reason I might go with the CZ is the Kadet .22lr conversion that's available, which may be a loophole through the whole rimfire/centrefire bullshit, but I want to research that more - if you're caught with something you're not meant to over here, say goodbye to your ability to own guns for ten years at least.
Buy the CZ even if you don't doe the competition shooting. It only comes second to my 1911. The CZ is an amazing gun.
This.
MisterNoisy
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Oh wow, that's crazy. Sorry - I'd assumed you were in the US. That said, any full-sized CZ is going to be the business - the 75 and it's derivatives are among my favorite guns - go for it.
Perfect size for a 9 mm imo. And despite the size it still holds 12+1. It's how you use it, right?
And I mainly reload shotgun shells. I have two pretty nice reloaders... One set up for 12 gauge and one for 20 gauge but I mostly just use the 12 gauge. Saves A LOT of money if reloading slugs or buckshot. I bought a Lee loading kit for 9 mm as well just to try it, though I don't think I'm saving much money lol. Maybe if I were shooting a larger caliber all the time it would save money but I'm mostly just doing it as a hobby.
With reloading, the cost of entry is expensive but once you have everything you need, your supplies will last a long time. Here it's best to buy primers and powder locally to avoid the $27 hazardous material shipping fee.
Congrats! Post a range report when you get a chance.
Thanks! Will do.
Oh wow, that's crazy. Sorry - I'd assumed you were in the US. That said, any full-sized CZ is going to be the business - the 75 and it's derivatives are among my favorite guns - go for it.
Could be worse - I could be in the UK where handguns are essentially banned. At least if you have an interest here you have an avenue.
Yep, already bought a press and a large chunk of the gear. Like you I don't think it's going to reduce the bottom line for me that much in 9mm, but it's an extension of the hobby and no doubt I'll look to more expensive calibres at some stage. Also you can tailor loads to your gun, shooting style and comp, so I'm looking forward to that.
Funnily enough, I can't buy ammo yet, but I can buy the components and make as much ammo as I want.
This was more of a "You guys are advanced shooters. Let's have fun today" class. These guys have certain themed 4 hour clinics every month and long 2 day classes which are very involved 1 a month. I participate in a lot of the 4 hour clinics to have fun and keep my skills sharp.
There was 8 of us and 10 drills. At the end me and two others were tied for drills won. I lost in the final shoot off. They gave this to the winner.
Website http://www.protectiveshootingconcepts.com/
MisterNoisy
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Hah! Get started then - just make sure to use known good loads and double check each step when you're just starting out - I've seen the results of a double-charged round at the range, and it's not pretty.
Got this thing Friday. Took it out today. Set it up at 100 yard and fired away with my SCAR 17s
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005CF1TMG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005CF1TMG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
What a treat. Awesome toy there.
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