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[lostsupper]

Opinions on best caliber for home defense? Bill Burr has this bit in an act of his about how a .22 is best because you won't blow out your ear drums in a high pressure situation and disorient yourself. Obviously, its a joke and the guy doesn't know shit about guns but I keep coming back to that. Maybe the guy's got a point?

Someone else asked this here a while ago. You want a suppressed pistol and frangible rounds. In an actual emergency, being able to operate your weapon with one hand will let you actually operate a phone, secure your family, etc. The suppressor makes those things easier. Frangible rounds will prevent stray shots from over-penetrating interior doors and walls.

EDIT: Caliber isn't terribly important. .38 and up is more than sufficient to stop a human. It's more important that you practice frequently with your weapon.

 

[gooface]

9mm with Federal HST ammo, I carry the 147gr stuff, but they dont make it anymore I guess.

 

[hwalker84]

Opinions on best caliber for home defense? Bill Burr has this bit in an act of his about how a .22 is best because you won't blow out your ear drums in a high pressure situation and disorient yourself. Obviously, its a joke and the guy doesn't know shit about guns but I keep coming back to that. Maybe the guy's got a point?

Good data here: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Also contact your local police department on any local laws for home defense.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Opinions on best caliber for home defense? Bill Burr has this bit in an act of his about how a .22 is best because you won't blow out your ear drums in a high pressure situation and disorient yourself. Obviously, its a joke and the guy doesn't know shit about guns but I keep coming back to that. Maybe the guy's got a point?

.357 Coonan

 

[Piggus]

Opinions on best caliber for home defense? Bill Burr has this bit in an act of his about how a .22 is best because you won't blow out your ear drums in a high pressure situation and disorient yourself. Obviously, its a joke and the guy doesn't know shit about guns but I keep coming back to that. Maybe the guy's got a point?

.69 cal. ball. Duuuuuuuuuuh.

But seriously, I'd go with a short-ish shotgun for home defense over a pistol any day, though mainly because that's what I'm most comfortable with. However they also tend to be much easier on the ears (the sound is less "sharp" if that makes sense) and even indoors is probably less likely to be disorientating.

 

[dejay]

If I were to look into a home defense gun I'd keep a pair of those electronic muffs near the gun. A - you'd protect your hearing and B - you'd have super human hearing, so you'd be able to hear people sneaking around.

.69 cal. ball. Duuuuuuuuuuh.

But seriously, I'd go with a short-ish shotgun for home defense over a pistol any day, though mainly because that's what I'm most comfortable with. However they also tend to be much easier on the ears (the sound is less "sharp" if that makes sense) and even indoors is probably less likely to be disorientating.

How's the flintlock going btw?

 

[Piggus]

I have everything I need except powder. It's really hard to find around here... So I'll probably just have to man up and pay the ridiculous hazmat fee to buy it online.

Trip to the college football national championship drained me of all my money unfortunately.

 

[MisterNoisy]

Woo. My crazy 10/22 stock should be on the way soon:

 

[BattleMonkey]

Woo. My crazy 10/22 stock should be on the way soon:

Oblivion!

 

[dejay]

I have everything I need except powder. It's really hard to find around here... So I'll probably just have to man up and pay the ridiculous hazmat fee to buy it online.

Trip to the college football national championship drained me of all my money unfortunately.

Normal powder is hard to get around here (Sydney). Between a fire at the biggest manufacturer in the country last year, new transport regulations in the state and competition shooters hoarding everything in sight, it can be challenging to get your third, fourth or fifth choice, let alone first choice.

Funnily enough, black powder is probably easier to get here than where you are.

(edit) Are there any ye olde associations, clubs, associations, reenactors etc near you? Perhaps you can bulk buy with them.

 

[dekline]

I'm a noob, but what kind of shells would you all recommend for a 12 gauge maverick 88? Just something to keep around the house JIC, I don't plan on using it beyond some practice on my friend's land.

2-3/4 00 buck?

 

[Piggus]

My grandpa gave me an interesting little .22 rifle today. It's over 100 years old and was purchased from Sears for $2.98. Not even three bucks! Has some notches on the stock. My grandpa thinks that's how many rats it has killed (was given to him by a friend a long time ago.) It's definitely seen some use. I'm sure it would fire, but I'll keep it as a display piece.

Normal powder is hard to get around here (Sydney). Between a fire at the biggest manufacturer in the country last year, new transport regulations in the state and competition shooters hoarding everything in sight, it can be challenging to get your third, fourth or fifth choice, let alone first choice.

Funnily enough, black powder is probably easier to get here than where you are.

(edit) Are there any ye olde associations, clubs, associations, reenactors etc near you? Perhaps you can bulk buy with them.

Nearest reenactment is pretty far from here, sadly. There's a place that sells reloading stuff. Might try there.

I'm a noob, but what kind of shells would you all recommend for a 12 gauge maverick 88? Just something to keep around the house JIC, I don't plan on using it beyond some practice on my friend's land.

2-3/4 00 buck?

Birdshot for practice, 00 Buck for home defense. Though shoot a few of the 00 Buck to get used to the recoil difference. Keep in mind that buckshot is also a lpt more lethal and more likely to go through a wall.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

ATF is about to ban steel core 556, I'm so fucking mad right now.

 

[MisterNoisy]

ATF is about to ban steel core 556, I'm so fucking mad right now.

Link?

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Link?

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Notices/atf_framework_for_determining_whether_certain_projectiles_are_primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf


Also here's an updated picture of my new stuff

 

[hwalker84]

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Notices/atf_framework_for_determining_whether_certain_projectiles_are_primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf


Also here's an updated picture of my new stuff

You shoot the Scar H yet? Get a giessle trigger ASAP!!

 

[Piggus]

Their reasoning seems to be that most crimes are committed with handguns, therefore armor-piercing rounds that can be fired from a handgun should not be available. And since AR "handguns" exist now (and were introduced after the original 5.56 armor-piercing round exemption), the 5.56 AP round should be banned.

Seems like total BS to me. Are crimes committed against police with AR-type "handguns" really that common?

 

[hwalker84]

Their reasoning seems to be that most crimes are committed with handguns, therefore armor-piercing rounds that can be fired from a handgun should not be available. And since AR "handguns" exist now (and were introduced after the original 5.56 armor-piercing round exemption), the 5.56 AP round should be banned.

Seems like total BS to me. Are crimes committed against police with AR-type "handguns" really that common?

Nope

 

[Eighty Deuce]

You shoot the Scar H yet? Get a giessle trigger ASAP!!

I'm saving up for it, I just ordered 4 SCAR 17 Mags and 900 rounds of steel core 556 so my gun budget is gone for the month.

Their reasoning seems to be that most crimes are committed with handguns, therefore armor-piercing rounds that can be fired from a handgun should not be available. And since AR "handguns" exist now (and were introduced after the original 5.56 armor-piercing round exemption), the 5.56 AP round should be banned.

Seems like total BS to me. Are crimes committed against police with AR-type "handguns" really that common?

Not common at at, this is just the ATF trying to punish gun owners over the SIG brace debacle. It's complete horseshit.


Edit- bonus pic, new sights and backplate on my glock 19

 

[MisterNoisy]

To be fair, the Sig brace was complete bullshit. That said, I'm still not sure what the rationale against SBRs is, but whatever.

 

[enewtabie]

Nice sights. Looks sorta like the ones Larry VIckers was showing on his. Great backplate too!

 

[dejay]

Well, it only took a year, but I was finally allowed to buy my range/IPSC toy. Pretty much 12 months after first walking in to start the process.

Anyway, it's a Shadow. Specifically, the variant is officially called "Shadow Australia", which is a limited release with trigger work, comp hammer, hand fitted slide/barrel malarkey I wouldn't even notice at my stage of shooting, and customised aluminium grips which are quite grippy, as well as a bunch of extra springs and a fancy case that's too fucking big to be practical. It also comes with the longer barrel that's common on all Australian Shadows.

I took it to the range today and put 100 through it without a hitch. I took some snaps whilst cleaning it up.

Czech ammo for a Czech gun!

I decided to get creative with some spent brass.

I've actually put some OG rubber grips on since taking those photos - not sure what I prefer in the hand at the moment. I've got big hands and the rubber grips fill them better.

The next gun(s) I get, should I decide to get more, should only take a couple of weeks a pop thankfully now that Mr Plod accepts that I'm a very low risk to society. Next step - IPSC course and lots of shooting.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Well, it only took a year, but I was finally allowed to buy my range/IPSC toy. Pretty much 12 months after first walking in to start the process.

Anyway, it's a Shadow. Specifically, the variant is officially called "Shadow Australia", which is a limited release with trigger work, comp hammer, hand fitted slide/barrel malarkey I wouldn't even notice at my stage of shooting, and customised aluminium grips which are quite grippy, as well as a bunch of extra springs and a fancy case that's too fucking big to be practical. It also comes with the longer barrel that's common on all Australian Shadows.

I took it to the range today and put 100 through it without a hitch. I took some snaps whilst cleaning it up.

Czech ammo for a Czech gun!

I decided to get creative with some spent brass.

I've actually put some OG rubber grips on since taking those photos - not sure what I prefer in the hand at the moment. I've got big hands and the rubber grips fill them better.

The next gun(s) I get, should I decide to get more, should only take a couple of weeks a pop thankfully now that Mr Plod accepts that I'm a very low risk to society. Next step - IPSC course and lots of shooting.

I've been eyeballing that very same gun for my three gun competition setup.

 

[Xdrive05]

NeoGunners,

I have a little 20 gauge break barrel shotgun that I'm keeping for home defense. It's small enough for that purpose, and my wife can handle the recoil better than a 12, but it's only one shot.

So for home defense, do I replace it with a 6 or 7 shot short barrel pump 20 gauge, or a small caliber handgun?

I'm leaning toward a handgun, because we need to be able to lock it up somehow, and yet access it quickly in an emergency. Thoughts?

 

[Eighty Deuce]

NeoGunners,

I have a little 20 gauge break barrel shotgun that I'm keeping for home defense. It's small enough for that purpose, and my wife can handle the recoil better than a 12, but it's only one shot.

So for home defense, do I replace it with a 6 or 7 shot short barrel pump 20 gauge, or a small caliber handgun?

I'm leaning toward a handgun, because we need to be able to lock it up somehow, and yet access it quickly in an emergency. Thoughts?

Shotgun pros
Won't penetrate through walls
Cons
Have to lock it up if kids are living there, hard to hide.
Pistol pros
Easy to conceal and hide, lots to choose from
Cons
Over penetration in a household environment if you live in a tiny residence

 

[lostsupper]

Shotgun pros
Won't penetrate through walls...

Like hell it won't. Drywall and insulation won't stop buckshot.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Like hell it won't. Drywall and insulation won't stop buckshot.

Never mind then lol

 

[BattleMonkey]

Like hell it won't. Drywall and insulation won't stop buckshot.

It will greatly affect the velocity and stop it from entering a neighbors house if you did get into an incident. In an apartment like situation it wouldn't be as effective. But still better than a normal round going through multiple units and having greater chance of causing collateral harm.

 

[lostsupper]

That is true, but you don't want any room-to-room penetration. It's not about neighbors, it's about your family in your own place. Frangible rounds, people.

 

[BattleMonkey]

That is true, but you don't want any room-to-room penetration. It's not about neighbors, it's about your family in your own place. Frangible rounds, people.

Frangible rounds also penetrate through softer walls, it's not much different from a shot gun blast. Frangible rounds are mainly good for hard cement walls or stopping it from going to a neighbors.

 

[lostsupper]

Frangible rounds also penetrate through softer walls, it's not much different from a shot gun blast. Frangible rounds are mainly good for hard cement walls or stopping it from going to a neighbors.

I've shot .45acp frangibles into drywall at a reactive target range. It went through a single sheet but not two.

 

[Piggus]

Well, it only took a year, but I was finally allowed to buy my range/IPSC toy. Pretty much 12 months after first walking in to start the process.

Anyway, it's a Shadow. Specifically, the variant is officially called "Shadow Australia", which is a limited release with trigger work, comp hammer, hand fitted slide/barrel malarkey I wouldn't even notice at my stage of shooting, and customised aluminium grips which are quite grippy, as well as a bunch of extra springs and a fancy case that's too fucking big to be practical. It also comes with the longer barrel that's common on all Australian Shadows.

I took it to the range today and put 100 through it without a hitch. I took some snaps whilst cleaning it up.

I've actually put some OG rubber grips on since taking those photos - not sure what I prefer in the hand at the moment. I've got big hands and the rubber grips fill them better.

The next gun(s) I get, should I decide to get more, should only take a couple of weeks a pop thankfully now that Mr Plod accepts that I'm a very low risk to society. Next step - IPSC course and lots of shooting.

Congrats!

 

[MisterNoisy]

Been moving into a new apartment all weekend, but I did take some time out to assemble my 10/22 in its fancy new duds.

Congrats on the new Shadow, dejay! Very nice handgun.

 

[MRSA]

Got an email from the sheriff's department to pick up my CCW.

 

[Chorazin]

I'm glad that getting my CCW here in PA was insanely easy, but it sucks that because of that no other state surrounding us honors it.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Got an email from the sheriff's department to pick up my CCW.

I'm glad that getting my CCW here in PA was insanely easy, but it sucks that because of that no other state surrounding us honors it.

http://aliengearholsters.com

Good holsters here, it's what I use. Make sure to update us with whatever handgun you guys buy

 

[Chorazin]

http://aliengearholsters.com

Good holsters here, it's what I use. Make sure to update us with whatever handgun you guys buy

Oh I've had my Glock 19 4th Gen for a few months now. I also picked up the AlienGear Tuck 2.0 IWB holster from a dealer at the Great American Outdoors show, it's freaking fantastic. Actually just ordered one of their OWB ones as well, just to have some variety.

 

[Various Artists]

Just picked up a Ruger 357. I call it he "Freeman" and can't wait to get out with it.

 

[Neverfade]

1) What is the name of the part missing on my sights?

2) How much is going to cost me to replace it? (Trijicon on a FNP .45)

 

[BattleMonkey]

Just get a silver sharpie.....

 

[lostsupper]

Hard to see in the photo. Is there an indent machined in the rear sight? If not you need a new rear sight. If the indent is there, you can carefully color it in with paint or a paint marker.

 

[Neverfade]

There's an indent, yes.

But coloring it in is going to...bother me. I'd rather rip the other side out than to have two non matching dots.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Dab of paint for both then so they match. Otherwise your gonna be replacing the sights.

 

[dejay]

There's an indent, yes.

But coloring it in is going to...bother me. I'd rather rip the other side out than to have two non matching dots.

Nail polish both of them - any colour you want!

 

[Piggus]

Green. Go Ducks.

 

[m_shortpants]

Thinking of getting either a SW M&P9 with a 10 rd mag and finger rests or the SD9. I'm in CA and these two have made my shortlist for sub $500 9mm handguns. Anyone have any experience with these or any recommendations (other than a glock) ?

 

[shadyspace]

Any other left-handers here? So far I've adjusted quite fine with my 10/22 and my father's remington 870 but I think once I do get a good chunk of change I'm going to get a left-handed weapon to try out because I assume there is added cost there.

 

[mkenyon]

Thinking of getting either a SW M&P9 with a 10 rd mag and finger rests or the SD9. I'm in CA and these two have made my shortlist for sub $500 9mm handguns. Anyone have any experience with these or any recommendations (other than a glock) ?

Go to a range and try those striker pistols, then try a DA/SA hammer pistol.

I spose if you don't have a preference for one or the other, then they're both great really. I personally can not stand using striker pistols though, I've yet to find one that has a nice trigger. Compare it to a Sig, FNP 45/9, or CZ anything.

I'd also suggest going with a larger caliber, as the big benefit to 9mm is having a much larger magazine. Without that upside, I'd be very tempted to go .40 or .45 instead, personally.

Well, it only took a year, but I was finally allowed to buy my range/IPSC toy. Pretty much 12 months after first walking in to start the process.

That makes my pants fit funny.

 

[dejay]

That makes my pants fit funny.

It made my pants feel funny picking it up, until I realised that I had them on back-to-front. Guess I was in a hurry.

In other news, I made my first reloads last night, but won't have time to test them this weekend. I ordered a chronograph, so perhaps it's better I wait until that arrives.

 

[hwalker84]

Go to a range and try those striker pistols, then try a DA/SA hammer pistol.

I spose if you don't have a preference for one or the other, then they're both great really. I personally can not stand using striker pistols though, I've yet to find one that has a nice trigger. Compare it to a Sig, FNP 45/9, or CZ anything.

I'd also suggest going with a larger caliber, as the big benefit to 9mm is having a much larger magazine. Without that upside, I'd be very tempted to go .40 or .45 instead, personally.

That makes my pants fit funny.

Have you tried the Walther PPQ M2? I have a ton of Striker fired and DA/SA pistols and the PPQ is the best.