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mkenyon

Banned
I haven't, but I'm not the type that likes to collect a bunch of pistols (or anything really). I like to learn my platform and stick to it.

In any case, that would make it an exception to the generalization I spose.
 

hwalker84

Member
I haven't, but I'm not the type that likes to collect a bunch of pistols (or anything really). I like to learn my platform and stick to it.

In any case, that would make it an exception to the generalization I spose.

I completely understand that mindset.

Here's a little video of my shooting my Walther. I forgot to chamber a round and still posted the best time at that time. I killed that time later that day. 8 yards starting from low ready.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=591021867530&l=1351875448134616806
 

mkenyon

Banned
Nice shooting!

Also, I've always felt a connection with you given our usernames. I could put an 83 at the end of mine. So close :p
 

dejay

Banned
I completely understand that mindset.

Here's a little video of my shooting my Walther. I forgot to chamber a round and still posted the best time at that time. I killed that time later that day. 8 yards starting from low ready.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=591021867530&l=1351875448134616806

I'm sure you could do that with a bunch of different pistols, but now I'm intrigued. I have my steel framed traditional hammer pistol, which I wanted for a first gun, but I also feel the desire to delve into polymer striker fire at some point (as well as a revolver). They have a five inch model, which is legal here.

What calibre were you shooting there?
 

hwalker84

Member
I'm sure you could do that with a bunch of different pistols, but now I'm intrigued. I have my steel framed traditional hammer pistol, which I wanted for a first gun, but I also feel the desire to delve into polymer striker fire at some point (as well as a revolver). They have a five inch model, which is legal here.

What calibre were you shooting there?

Walther PPQ M2 5 inch 9mm.
 
So yesterday I was shooting at our local indoor gun range in our small village for the first time ever (Normally I go shooting at a "high tech" gun range over 150km away).
tbh I didn't even know that place exists. I heard rumors but never paid attention. Also most of my "gun friends" are not locals.
So I entered the range which is located in 550 years old catacombs beneath an old tavern. It looks really cool but the temperature is hardly above 0°C(32°F) so shooting can hurt because your hands/fingers are cold as hell.
anyway, I was really (REALLY) surprised that half of our village was down there. Several business men and women I would never have thought of, our kindergartener, 2 police officers off service and even the pastor of the village.
Pretty much everyone brought their own gun(s) so I had a wide range of pistols and revolvers to choose from (I just own a normal double barrel shotgun which I barely use at all).
I started with a few Glock 17 rounds to get used to the temperature. One of the police dudes let me try his magnum .44. I wasn't so sure at first because I was afraid the recoil could hurt my already fucked up wrist even more but to my surprise it handled very well (for being that caliber). I finished the evening with a few rounds from a modified desert eagle.
 

MisterNoisy

Member
Any other left-handers here? So far I've adjusted quite fine with my 10/22 and my father's remington 870 but I think once I do get a good chunk of change I'm going to get a left-handed weapon to try out because I assume there is added cost there.

Stag Arms has made lefty ARs their 'thing', so if you're looking for that sort of rifle, check them out.
 
So yesterday I was shooting at our local indoor gun range in our small village for the first time ever (Normally I go shooting at a "high tech" gun range over 150km away).
tbh I didn't even know that place exists. I heard rumors but never paid attention. Also most of my "gun friends" are not locals.
So I entered the range which is located in 550 years old catacombs beneath an old tavern. It looks really cool but the temperature is hardly above 0°C(32°F) so shooting can hurt because your hands/fingers are cold as hell.
anyway, I was really (REALLY) surprised that half of our village was down there. Several business men and women I would never have thought of, our kindergartener, 2 police officers off service and even the pastor of the village.
Pretty much everyone brought their own gun(s) so I had a wide range of pistols and revolvers to choose from (I just own a normal double barrel shotgun which I barely use at all).
I started with a few Glock 17 rounds to get used to the temperature. One of the police dudes let me try his magnum .44. I wasn't so sure at first because I was afraid the recoil could hurt my already fucked up wrist even more but to my surprise it handled very well (for being that caliber). I finished the evening with a few rounds from a modified desert eagle.

A catacomb shooting range, that sounds metal as fuck.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Finally getting to the range this week to fire a gun for the first time. I was trying to decide whether to buy s laptop or handgun this week, and went with the handgun. I never had one before. Gonna try before I buy. Hopefully I can show off my haul by the weekend. PEACE.
 

dejay

Banned
Finally getting to the range this week to fire a gun for the first time. I was trying to decide whether to buy s laptop or handgun this week, and went with the handgun. I never had one before. Gonna try before I buy. Hopefully I can show off my haul by the weekend. PEACE.

Handguns keep their value longer than laptops so you've made the only logical choice. You don't see any laptops designed in 1911, or media designed in 1901.

Recommend you try different configurations and calibres and get an idea of the differences and the ramifications of each as it relates to the intended use for your handgun. Striker fire vs traditional hammer. Polymer vs steel frame. No safety vs manual safety vs decocker. Single/double action trigger vs single action only. Compact vs full.

Be safe and practice as much as you can.
 

Laekon

Member
Finally getting to the range this week to fire a gun for the first time. I was trying to decide whether to buy s laptop or handgun this week, and went with the handgun. I never had one before. Gonna try before I buy. Hopefully I can show off my haul by the weekend. PEACE.

Depending on where you live and if you have friends that shoot a shotgun might be a better option. I find clay shooting more fun then paper and metal targets. Some of the ranges near me have really fancy sporting clay set ups that cost a a bit but others just have manually loaded throwers. A few friends and I buy boxes of clays at walmart for $10 and have a good time. If you mostly have indoor ranges around you well that changes everything.
 
A catacomb shooting range, that sounds metal as fuck.

it's kinda cool but not exactly comfortable.
don't get me wrong; the interior is so oldschool (sparse lightning; targets have to be exchanged manually with a hand crank; target monitoring via a 30year old supersmall black/white CRT TV etc) that it fits perfectly to the location with it's 5m thick stonewalls and the scents of mold and black death but shooting became a pain in the ass after an hour.

I get mental images of something like Hot Fuzz, where most of the town meet secretly.

I was surprised; to say at least. it seems that every second resident has a firearm certificate/gun licence. well, I hope they do
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Handguns keep their value longer than laptops so you've made the only logical choice. You don't see any laptops designed in 1911, or media designed in 1901.

Recommend you try different configurations and calibres and get an idea of the differences and the ramifications of each as it relates to the intended use for your handgun. Striker fire vs traditional hammer. Polymer vs steel frame. No safety vs manual safety vs decocker. Single/double action trigger vs single action only. Compact vs full.

Be safe and practice as much as you can.
Thanks for the checklist. I'll take note of those things tomorrow. I'm going to probably check a few ranges.

Depending on where you live and if you have friends that shoot a shotgun might be a better option. I find clay shooting more fun then paper and metal targets. Some of the ranges near me have really fancy sporting clay set ups that cost a a bit but others just have manually loaded throwers. A few friends and I buy boxes of clays at walmart for $10 and have a good time. If you mostly have indoor ranges around you well that changes everything.
I'm in Miami, so I'm sure there are skeet ranges. I've never shot a gun before, so I'm gonna start off with handguns and then give shotties a try later. Thanks for the suggestion though. My main use will just be target practice and home protection, though I don't really expect to use it where I live. It's just something I've thought about a while and think now is the best time to pull the trigger. No pun intended. PEACE.
 

Durask

Member
There shoud be ranges where for a small fee you get to rent guns and shoot them, that way you get to find out what you like.

You could research guns online forever and be convinced that you'll like a particular gun but shoot it a few times and you could be cursing yourself for making a several hundred dollar mistake.
 

Chorazin

Member
There shoud be ranges where for a small fee you get to rent guns and shoot them, that way you get to find out what you like.

You could research guns online forever and be convinced that you'll like a particular gun but shoot it a few times and you could be cursing yourself for making a several hundred dollar mistake.

There are. Maybe not in your state, but my local place in PA rents everyting from snubnose revolvers to full-auto machine guns. Rented a Aug A3 just last week, that was a fun little carbine.
 

mkenyon

Banned
There shoud be ranges where for a small fee you get to rent guns and shoot them, that way you get to find out what you like.

You could research guns online forever and be convinced that you'll like a particular gun but shoot it a few times and you could be cursing yourself for making a several hundred dollar mistake.
There are here in Washington too. That's how I initially got the CZ bug.
 

iamblades

Member
To be fair, the Sig brace was complete bullshit. That said, I'm still not sure what the rationale against SBRs is, but whatever.

There is a reason the vast majority of crime is committed with handguns, putting any stock on any gun immediately makes it less useful to criminals. Or am I missing some massive crime wave of broomhandle mausers?

The SBR regulations are completely moronic when applied to modern modular firearms where all you do it pull a couple pins and swap a new upper to make an SBR.

Not like a criminal is going to be deterred from doing that, but the law does make a criminal out of someone who legally owns a registered SBR if he accidentally swaps the upper with one of his other non-SBR rifles, even though nothing actually changes in that situation. The person still has the exact same guns technically speaking, he is just a felon now for mixing up his uppers.

I don't see any way the M855 ban can hold up in court, as the statute clearly does not cover M855. It is a massive regulatory over reach.

In other court matters, there is currently a case(actually two) challenging the 1986 MG ban amendment that looks promising. There is clearly evidence that the ATF violated equal protection by allowing transfer of post 1986 MGs to certain private parties but not others. Not even considering the second amendment issues, which post Heller, I don't see how such a blanket ban (especially one arbitrarily applied based on date of manufacture) can possible pass strict scrutiny.

http://www.examiner.com/article/court-filing-argues-post-1986-machine-gun-ban-defies-constitution

If you read the briefings from the DOJ, their arguments are almost comical. They tried to argue that the plaintiff didn't have standing to force the ATF to register a MG because the state of texas makes it illegal to own MGs that are not registered with the ATF, so forcing the ATF to register his MG wouldn't address his greivance.. Oh wait, that is some premium circular bullshit.
 
There is a reason the vast majority of crime is committed with handguns, putting any stock on any gun immediately makes it less useful to criminals. Or am I missing some massive crime wave of broomhandle mausers?

The SBR regulations are completely moronic when applied to modern modular firearms where all you do it pull a couple pins and swap a new upper to make an SBR.

Not like a criminal is going to be deterred from doing that, but the law does make a criminal out of someone who legally owns a registered SBR if he accidentally swaps the upper with one of his other non-SBR rifles, even though nothing actually changes in that situation. The person still has the exact same guns technically speaking, he is just a felon now for mixing up his uppers.

I don't see any way the M855 ban can hold up in court, as the statute clearly does not cover M855. It is a massive regulatory over reach.

In other court matters, there is currently a case(actually two) challenging the 1986 MG ban amendment that looks promising. There is clearly evidence that the ATF violated equal protection by allowing transfer of post 1986 MGs to certain private parties but not others. Not even considering the second amendment issues, which post Heller, I don't see how such a blanket ban (especially one arbitrarily applied based on date of manufacture) can possible pass strict scrutiny.

http://www.examiner.com/article/court-filing-argues-post-1986-machine-gun-ban-defies-constitution

If you read the briefings from the DOJ, their arguments are almost comical. They tried to argue that the plaintiff didn't have standing to force the ATF to register a MG because the state of texas makes it illegal to own MGs that are not registered with the ATF, so forcing the ATF to register his MG wouldn't address his greivance.. Oh wait, that is some premium circular bullshit.

Just to add a point here, The military is changing over from the M855 round. That means the civilian market was about to be flooded with surplus. The M855 ammo ban is was done to prevent that and is purely a political move. I REALLY hate this administration is politicizing these different agencies.
 

ValleyJoe

Neo Member
This P226 came to me completely out of the blue a couple months ago from a friend that I didn't even know owned it. 59th production P226 ever made. JC date(1982) Like new condition. I paid 500 bucks for it. Probably my one lucky find of a lifetime.




Bought it from a Swiss gentleman who has been living in California for the last 7-8 years. He got it for completing his Swiss Military service back in 83 I think. I'd be surprised if there was an earlier one in the U.S. I've had some pretty crazy offers on it so far. I think I'll be holding onto it for a while. I need to get the appropriate magazines for it at some point because the originals were lost during the import process. Lots more pics at the photobucket site.
 

dejay

Banned
This P226 came to me completely out of the blue a couple months ago from a friend that I didn't even know owned it. 59th production P226 ever made. JC date(1982) Like new condition. I paid 500 bucks for it. Probably my one lucky find of a lifetime.

Very nice - probably still shoots as well as that test sheet would indicate.
 
Just going to update a few things here. The ATF is taking a beating and its glorious. The m855 ammo ban caught media attention and the ATF had major pushback from congress. Ares armor is about to drop a legal bombshell and will begin selling 99% lowers soon http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/99percentlower
And finally the Heller foundation has joined the Hollis vs Holder case to allow manufacturing of NEW post 86 machine guns. https://hellerfoundation.org
We may see the registry open or dismantled within our lifeline. It's a great day for gun owners!
 

dionysus

Yaldog
Picked up a Browning Citori White Lightning, 12 gauge 28" over lunch break. It is going to be my sporting clays gun. I also just love over unders in general.
 
Ended up buying a S&W SD9VE just for the hell of it. Only complaint some people have is the trigger pull (7-8 lbs), but there are kits to lower it.

Should be getting to my FFL on Monday. Then just 10 days till I get to pick it up...(yay California).

I don't really mind the 10 day waiting period for the your first gun. But I already own two other guns. They should only make you wait for your first.
 

Mr.Swag

Banned
Honestly how easy/hard is it to shoot?

Going to navy boot camp soon and I've never shot a gun. I hear that the gun day of boot camp is practically an automatic pass for how easy it is, is that true?
 
Honestly how easy/hard is it to shoot?

Going to navy boot camp soon and I've never shot a gun. I hear that the gun day of boot camp is practically an automatic pass for how easy it is, is that true?

Rifles and handguns are quite different to shoot. You'll probably be able to shoot a rifle better than a handgun at first.

Can't speak for the boot camp but I'd imagine you'd be fine.
 

dejay

Banned
^ Kinda want one but not really.

Honestly how easy/hard is it to shoot?

Going to navy boot camp soon and I've never shot a gun. I hear that the gun day of boot camp is practically an automatic pass for how easy it is, is that true?

Any idiot can shoot. Just remember, in a live fire exercise, don't remove a squad-mate's helmet even if it is malfunctioning.
 
Anyone have any advice for someone who's never shot, even held a real gun before to get started and learn how to use them? Should I take a class or something?
 

dejay

Banned
Anyone have any advice for someone who's never shot, even held a real gun before to get started and learn how to use them? Should I take a class or something?

What do you want to shoot and why? Handgun, rifle, shotgun? Hobby, target, comp, hunting, carry, home defence, taking gangster selfies?
 
What do you want to shoot and why? Handgun, rifle, shotgun? Hobby, target, comp, hunting, carry, home defence, taking gangster selfies?

I'd like to take it up as a new hobby. I would go to shooting ranges. I can't answer on type because I've never shot one before. Don't I have to try different ones out to see what I like? I think I'd also like to have one for home defense at some point after I learn how to use them safely.
 

dejay

Banned
I'd like to take it up as a new hobby. I would go to shooting ranges. I can't answer on type because I've never shot one before. Don't I have to try different ones out to see what I like? I think I'd also like to have one for home defense at some point after I learn how to use them safely.

Check your local ranges for some classes and they can let you try different types (YMMV on area).

They should let you try whatever you want, so go nuts and try lots of different things. Start on lower power .22 stuff if you're nervous and work up. Handguns are probably the "hardest" to learn because your grip and trigger control can affect accuracy greatly and it's also the most dangerous, because it's very easy to point it somewhere it's not meant to. So, if you learn on a handgun first, the others shouldn't be an issue, although everything has it's own quirks.

Maybe do a handgun safety class, shoot some .22 and then 9mm and then start exploring from there. Try a few things before you buy and don't rush it.
 

Patrol

Banned
Stuck between deciding for a Colt LE 6940, or a Daniel Defense DDM4. The DD is more expensive, but prior service guys I work with always tell me to go for the Colt. I think that may be just nostalgia/novelty talking on their end.
 

hwalker84

Member
Stuck between deciding for a Colt LE 6940, or a Daniel Defense DDM4. The DD is more expensive, but prior service guys I work with always tell me to go for the Colt. I think that may be just nostalgia/novelty talking on their end.
Go Knights Armament
 
Is the $100 including the firearm and ammo? Basically show up? If so that's really not bad.

Here is a link to the first course I was looking at.

http://ontargetrange.com/ontargetrange/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Basic-Handgun-Safety.pdf

Here is the other course I was looking at

"Basic Handgun Class
This practical self-defense handgun course introduces the participant to the Fundamentals of Firearms Safety, along with the skills necessary to properly handle a revolver and semi-automatic pistol. You will learn what a handgun will do, what it won't do, and why it works the way it works. The hands-on training will start with Proper Stance and Grip, Sight Alignment, Sight Picture and Trigger Control.

Class will progress to rapid fire/combat shooting and multi-target drills with life-size paper silhouette targets. The student will fire 250 rounds, and receive the same basic training that a police officer receives at the Academy, except focused on self-defense.

The 1.5 hour lecture portion includes the legal aspects of owning, transporting and using a firearm in self-defense situations, along with tactics of self-defense. This class is certified by the State of California, Department of Justice for the Firearm Safety Certificate (F.S.C.). This certificate is required in order to purchase a firearm in California. The F.S.C. program has now gone internet based and as such, we can no longer offer this service to you at Burro Canyon (there is no internet service available at Burro Canyon). You can walk into any gun store, take a short test, pay the state filing fee and receive your F.S.C.

Tuition: $70.00 Ammunition is not included. The required 250 rounds can be purchased at the range. Please see the chart at the end of this section for cost information.

Hours: 7 hours (includes one hour for lunch)


What You Need to Bring to the Basic Handgun Class

Gun: Any caliber double-action revolver or single action/double-action semi-auto pistol. Your gun must be in good working order. If you do not own a gun, a Smith & Wesson 38 special (revolver) with a four-inch barrel will be provided at no charge (equipment reservation is required).

Protection: Prescription glasses, sun or shooting glasses are required, along with hearing protection. Eye and ear protection will be provided at no charge if needed."

What do you think?

I'm also going to take a basic shotgun and rifle class in the future.


Any good gun educational channels/videos on Youtube similar to the ones that show you how to build PC's?
 

hwalker84

Member
Price isn't bad I'd do it. Are you renting the revolver?

Both courses include the gun. The 2nd course that I have quoted and not linked, I'd have to purchase 250 rounds which would make it cost about $70 for the course +$100 for the rounds equaling like $170 give or take some cash. The linked course says firearm and ammo are included. I'm leaning towards the linked one since it's cheaper and has the ammo and gun included. Do I really need the 7 hour course vs the 3 hour course?
 
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