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[tfur]

So for the first time in forever I need to watch my spending because I'm about to close on a house amongst other things. Anyway I'm caught with a dilemma.

New pistol or Pistol Suppressor? I have my NFA Trust and I'm dying to use it on something.

Pistol = HK USP9 Tactical LE (2015 Model not the SD)
Suppressor = Rugged Suppressors Obsidian 45

Pistol I obviously could have this week. Suppressor I can't even find instock to even start the process. Suppressor is also significantly cheaper. Decisions.

Why not get a threaded barrel for something existing and order the suppressor.

The purchasing plans get expensive pretty quickly. I am shopping between BCM and LWRC 556 carbines. I have the two narrowed down, but I need to just chill a bit. I think I know which one I am going to get.

 

[hwalker84]

Why not get a threaded barrel for something existing and order the suppressor.

The purchasing plans get expensive pretty quickly. I am shopping between BCM and LWRC 556 carbines. I have the two narrowed down, but I need to just chill a bit. I think I know which one I am going to get.

I already have multiple guns with threaded barrels. HK Mark 23 and FNX 45 Tactical

 

[tfur]

I already have multiple guns with threaded barrels. HK Mark 23 and FNX 45 Tactical

So, why not just get the can for one of those, and save money?

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Anybody own an M&P 22 Compact? Thinking of getting one to be my sole 22 pistol.

 

[QualityPixel]

Anybody own an M&P 22 Compact? Thinking of getting one to be my sole 22 pistol.

I have a Ruger SR-22, and I love that little plinker. It's a single/double with de-cocker. I would take it to the range more but people in my area are still buying up 22LR like it's the apocalypse. I could get 22 easily but I'm not up in the mornings when walmart puts it on the shelf.

 

[Piggus]

Slidefire has a nifty new(ish) bumpfire stock for AKs that allows you to use your own adjustable AR-15 stock. I wish they would come up with something like that for the AR that isn't super ugly.

http://www.slidefire.com/products/ak-platform/ssak-47-hyb

Hopefully it will be popular enough to get Fostech to lower their prices a bit. Slidefires are basically a half of the price they used to be.

 

[hwalker84]

So, why not just get the can for one of those, and save money?

Went with the gun. Just more exciting to me getting a new platform than an accessory for existing guns.

 

[Watevaman]

Hey guys, I think it's finally time for me to buy a Mosin, but I've never actually bought a gun before. I would like to buy local if possible, to avoid any transfer fees that I've heard of. What prices should I be looking to pay for them? When I was at a gun show a few years ago, the 91/30s were going for $220 or so and the the M39/44 (I'd like a 44 if possible) were going for around $350-400. Are these normal prices still or have they fluctuated recently?

Also, this is kind of preemptive, but is ammo for them still relatively cheap? I've read about trying not to use surplus ammo because it's corrosive. Is that combated if I clean the gun often? I'll just be using the gun for target shooting, no hunting or competition.

 

[Piggus]

Hey guys, I think it's finally time for me to buy a Mosin, but I've never actually bought a gun before. I would like to buy local if possible, to avoid any transfer fees that I've heard of. What prices should I be looking to pay for them? When I was at a gun show a few years ago, the 91/30s were going for $220 or so and the the M39/44 (I'd like a 44 if possible) were going for around $350-400. Are these normal prices still or have they fluctuated recently?

Also, this is kind of preemptive, but is ammo for them still relatively cheap? I've read about trying not to use surplus ammo because it's corrosive. Is that combated if I clean the gun often? I'll just be using the gun for target shooting, no hunting or competition.

That seems pretty spendy. I paid about $120 for my 91/30, but that was about six years ago.

I would NOT pay $400 for an M44 unless it's utterly pristine. At that price you should be looking for a Swiss K-31, which are skyrocketing in value right now.

 

[QualityPixel]

Also, this is kind of preemptive, but is ammo for them still relatively cheap? I've read about trying not to use surplus ammo because it's corrosive. Is that combated if I clean the gun often? I'll just be using the gun for target shooting, no hunting or competition.

Nothing wrong with corrosive ammo as long as you clean after each range trip and keep metal components properly oiled.

 

[fastford58]

Hey guys, I think it's finally time for me to buy a Mosin, but I've never actually bought a gun before. I would like to buy local if possible, to avoid any transfer fees that I've heard of. What prices should I be looking to pay for them? When I was at a gun show a few years ago, the 91/30s were going for $220 or so and the the M39/44 (I'd like a 44 if possible) were going for around $350-400. Are these normal prices still or have they fluctuated recently?

Also, this is kind of preemptive, but is ammo for them still relatively cheap? I've read about trying not to use surplus ammo because it's corrosive. Is that combated if I clean the gun often? I'll just be using the gun for target shooting, no hunting or competition.

I shoot surplus corrosive through all my russian misurp stuff. I clean it with hot soapy water followed by a dowsing of wd40 to displace the moisture. Then I blow it all out with an air compressor followed by a liberal oiling.

Never had an issue and have gotten the process down to about 40 minutes a gun from detail strip to reassemble.

 

[BearPawB]

Thinking of buying my first gun. I don't have a lot of gun experience. But, I am moving to a more rural environment. And I think it would make me feel better to have something around.

A lot of people online seem to look down on revolvers as a home defense weapon.
but a) i have a lot of pets, and would feel better having something without the spread of shot/the penetration of using slugs.

b) I want something my wife could easily use. She is small/idk if she could use a slide while in the heat of battle. So I want something she could just sort of point and shoot if she needed to. Also the lower maintenance of a revolver seems up my alley

Thinking of going for just something that does .38 because from everything I've heard .357 is REALLY loud/lots of recoil. So again, I want something my wife could manage.

Thinking a Ruger LCR .38. It isn't the prettiest thing I have ever seen. but i think would fit my needs nicely. Anyone have any experience with one/comparison to similar guns? (the Smith and Wesson 442 seems similar?)

 

[iamblades]

Thinking of buying my first gun. I don't have a lot of gun experience. But, I am moving to a more rural environment. And I think it would make me feel better to have something around.

A lot of people online seem to look down on revolvers as a home defense weapon.
but a) i have a lot of pets, and would feel better having something without the spread of shot/the penetration of using slugs.

b) I want something my wife could easily use. She is small/idk if she could use a slide while in the heat of battle. So I want something she could just sort of point and shoot if she needed to. Also the lower maintenance of a revolver seems up my alley

Thinking of going for just something that does .38 because from everything I've heard .357 is REALLY loud/lots of recoil. So again, I want something my wife could manage.

Thinking a Ruger LCR .38. It isn't the prettiest thing I have ever seen. but i think would fit my needs nicely. Anyone have any experience with one/comparison to similar guns? (the Smith and Wesson 442 seems similar?)

The spread of shot is not really a factor at any range that would be feasible indoors, and small caliber handguns(.38/380 or lower) have the worst overpenetration problems.

Revolvers aren't really substantially less maintenance intensive than modern semi auto handguns. A modern semi-auto will usually be easier to shoot, have better ergonomics and sights, and less felt recoil than a revolver.

IMO a full size DAO or DA/SA hammer fired semi auto in 9MM is the best home/personal defense weapon in 99% of cases. Basically anyone can pick it up and use it with minimal instruction, it's basically a simple as a revolver, it allows you to use any of the hundreds of varieties of quality 9MM ammunition on the market today. Plus they can be had really cheaply these days and typically run 17+1 rounds(where law allows)

If I were to suggest a revolver for home defense it almost certainly wouldn't be a lightweight snub-nose carry piece like the LCR or S&W 442 if it was going to potentially be used by a novice shooter. My advice in general, is if it's not a concealed carry gun, the bigger(more massive, not larger caliber) the gun the better. A small snub nose revolver is one of the more unpleasant guns to shoot, even in .38 because it's light, and has a tiny sight radius. Hell I'd argue a 4" 686 shooting .357 is way easier to shoot than a 442 shooting .38, but YMMV. Anything is going to be loud as fuck with a lot of perceived recoil out of a 1.85" barrel.

 

[BearPawB]

The spread of shot is not really a factor at any range that would be feasible indoors, and small caliber handguns(.38/380 or lower) have the worst overpenetration problems.

Revolvers aren't really substantially less maintenance intensive than modern semi auto handguns. A modern semi-auto will usually be easier to shoot, have better ergonomics and sights, and less felt recoil than a revolver.

IMO a full size DAO or DA/SA hammer fired semi auto in 9MM is the best home/personal defense weapon in 99% of cases. Basically anyone can pick it up and use it with minimal instruction, it's basically a simple as a revolver, it allows you to use any of the hundreds of varieties of quality 9MM ammunition on the market today. Plus they can be had really cheaply these days and typically run 17+1 rounds(where law allows)

If I were to suggest a revolver for home defense it almost certainly wouldn't be a lightweight snub-nose carry piece like the LCR or S&W 442 if it was going to potentially be used by a novice shooter. My advice in general, is if it's not a concealed carry gun, the bigger(more massive, not larger caliber) the gun the better. A small snub nose revolver is one of the more unpleasant guns to shoot, even in .38 because it's light, and has a tiny sight radius. Hell I'd argue a 4" 686 shooting .357 is way easier to shoot than a 442 shooting .38, but YMMV. Anything is going to be loud as fuck with a lot of perceived recoil out of a 1.85" barrel.

Thanks for the advice.
Cheap ammo would be nice, because whatever I buy , I want to take it to a range sometimes without breaking the bank.

So yeah, I guess everyone says "just get a glock 19 for a reason" huh?

 

[appaws]

Thanks for the advice.
Cheap ammo would be nice, because whatever I buy , I want to take it to a range sometimes without breaking the bank.

So yeah, I guess everyone says "just get a glock 19 for a reason" huh?

I want to make the case for you getting a full size gun...not something small like a 442 or an LCR. (I have a 642 and I love it, but it is a hard gun to shoot)

If you are not going to concealed carry, and you want an easier shooter for your wife, go with a full size gun. Smith and Wesson revolvers are great, like a 627 or a Glock 17 if you decide to get an automatic, or equivalent in XDm or M&P pistols. (9mm is generally cheap as well)

Glock 19s are awesome guns...but if you are not trying to conceal it, go with a bigger gun.

Edit: I see iamblades addressed this already very well. Sorry. +1 from me.

 

[iamblades]

I want to make the case for you getting a full size gun...not something small like a 442 or an LCR. (I have a 642 and I love it, but it is a hard gun to shoot)

If you are not going to concealed carry, and you want an easier shooter for your wife, go with a full size gun. Smith and Wesson revolvers are great, like a 627 or a Glock 17 if you decide to get an automatic, or equivalent in XDm or M&P pistols. (9mm is generally cheap as well)

Glock 19s are awesome guns...but if you are not trying to conceal it, go with a bigger gun.

Edit: I see iamblades addressed this already very well. Sorry. +1 from me.

^^

All else being equal, the bigger gun is always easier to shoot. If you really want the simplicity of a revolver, there are plenty of options in the 4-6" range, any of the S&W K frames, the ruger GP-100 etc. A semi-auto will be cheaper though, in addition to all the other benefits.

 

[Piggus]

I would keep in mind that people in this thread suggesting a handgun are probably fairly proficient with one. So if you go down that path, make sure you train with it A LOT and become very comfortable shooting it. That's going to add a lot to the cost when you factor in the amount of ammo it takes to get good at shooting a handgun. Handguns are a lot harder to use than people think, especially in a stressful situation.

Personally I would never trust myself with my handgun in a home invasion type situation since I don't have enough practice with one. A shotgun is a lot easier to aim, it's easier on the ears of you don't have ear protection (shooting a revolver indoors without ear protection would fuck your ears up so badly that it would become a major distraction after the first shot), you have a lot of control over ammo types, ammo is fairly cheap, and while the "spread" is exaggerated in movies and games, it's still much easier to hit what you're shooting at. Doing a bit of skeet shooting will quickly get you comfortable.

 

[BearPawB]

I would keep in mind that people in this thread suggesting a handgun are probably fairly proficient with one. So if you go down that path, make sure you train with it A LOT and become very comfortable shooting it. That's going to add a lot to the cost when you factor in the amount of ammo it takes to get good at shooting a handgun. Handguns are a lot harder to use than people think, especially in a stressful situation.

Personally I would never trust myself with my handgun in a home invasion type situation since I don't have enough practice with one. A shotgun is a lot easier to aim, it's easier on the ears of you don't have ear protection (shooting a revolver indoors without ear protection would fuck your ears up so badly that it would become a major distraction after the first shot), you have a lot of control over ammo types, ammo is fairly cheap, and while the "spread" is exaggerated in movies and games, it's still much easier to hit what you're shooting at. Doing a bit of skeet shooting will quickly get you comfortable.

Surprised to hear that shotguns aren't as loud as a revolver. But I do think i want something that I can keep by my bedside/that isn't just out in the open. Also looking at some videos, at about 20 feet you are getting a pretty large spread. And if my dog was jumping around at guy, I don't think i could fire if i thought there was a reasonable chance that a stray shot could hit my dog.

Also, my wife is remarkably tiny. And if it was something I wanted her to be able to use in an emergency, i worry a shotgun might be a bit much for her to handle

I think I am just more "attracted" to pistols. And think I would be more likely to take them to a range/shoot them, rather than a shotgun.

Also, how ambidextrious are guns typically? (she is a lefty, i am not). If i bought a Glock 17, would she also be able to use it effectively? or are some guns less suitable for left handed shooters?

 

[appaws]

^^

All else being equal, the bigger gun is always easier to shoot. If you really want the simplicity of a revolver, there are plenty of options in the 4-6" range, any of the S&W K frames, the ruger GP-100 etc. A semi-auto will be cheaper though, in addition to all the other benefits.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the big Ruger revolvers. I have a friend who has one and its really great. Pretty heavy too, so not much felt recoil when shooting .38sp+p....and if you use all the rounds you can conk the fucker over the head with it.

Surprised to hear that shotguns aren't as loud as a revolver. But I do think i want something that I can keep by my bedside/that isn't just out in the open. Also looking at some videos, at about 20 feet you are getting a pretty large spread. And if my dog was jumping around at guy, I don't think i could fire if i thought there was a reasonable chance that a stray shot could hit my dog.

Also, my wife is remarkably tiny. And if it was something I wanted her to be able to use in an emergency, i worry a shotgun might be a bit much for her to handle

I think I am just more "attracted" to pistols. And think I would be more likely to take them to a range/shoot them, rather than a shotgun.

Also, how ambidextrious are guns typically? (she is a lefty, i am not). If i bought a Glock 17, would she also be able to use it effectively? or are some guns less suitable for left handed shooters?

Yeah, my wife hates using a 12 gauge and she isn't really small. She has become an ace with handguns though and shoots matches, sometimes beating me. She is badass. Actually she hated using a 20 gauge also. I think as long as you practice handling the weapon, safely and properly, you will be fine. I think you can reverse where the mag release is as well.

 

[FelixOrion]

So, I only own a basic off-brand-Mossberg-made shotgun that I take hunting and I've been around guns pretty much all my life (rural-born parents and extended family), but I've been watching a lot of Forgotten Weapons over the past year and half or so and have gotten a desire to spend a little cash on WWII-era bolt action rifle, as predictable as that sounds, just for some fun shooting something bigger than a .22 plinker (and maybe hunting, not sure yet; I've only ever hunted birds).

I think I'm more partial to some model of Arisaka, in particular I think my dream would be to find an early Type 99 with those wacky anti-aircraft sights just for the novelty of it That said, I'm totally open to other suggestions (even non-German k98 clones) if you guys have any reasons why or why not.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

So, I only own a basic off-brand-Mossberg-made shotgun that I take hunting and I've been around guns pretty much all my life (rural-born parents and extended family), but I've been watching a lot of Forgotten Weapons over the past year and half or so and have gotten a desire to spend a little cash on WWII-era bolt action rifle, as predictable as that sounds, just for some fun shooting something bigger than a .22 plinker (and maybe hunting, not sure yet; I've only ever hunted birds).

I think I'm more partial to some model of Arisaka, in particular I think my dream would be to find an early Type 99 with those wacky anti-aircraft sights just for the novelty of it That said, I'm totally open to other suggestions (even non-German k98 clones) if you guys have any reasons why or why not.

You use to be able to find Type 99's and Lee Enfield No.4's for low $200's. Even my Mosin I purchased onsale for $100 a few years ago. Alas now expect to pay $300 for a Mosin and more for a Type99 or K98. Don't even think about looking for a Springfield 1903 unless you want to drop serious cash. As of now you can probably still find good used Mosin's for under $300 if you look hard enough.

 

[appaws]

So, I only own a basic off-brand-Mossberg-made shotgun that I take hunting and I've been around guns pretty much all my life (rural-born parents and extended family), but I've been watching a lot of Forgotten Weapons over the past year and half or so and have gotten a desire to spend a little cash on WWII-era bolt action rifle, as predictable as that sounds, just for some fun shooting something bigger than a .22 plinker (and maybe hunting, not sure yet; I've only ever hunted birds).

I think I'm more partial to some model of Arisaka, in particular I think my dream would be to find an early Type 99 with those wacky anti-aircraft sights just for the novelty of it That said, I'm totally open to other suggestions (even non-German k98 clones) if you guys have any reasons why or why not.

Forgotten Weapons is awesome! Love that channel.

I think there are pretty nice Yugoslav Mausers around for 3-400 bucks. AIM Surplus has them, but I am sure a lot of other dealers do as well.

 

[Piggus]

My grandpa put up a small display in the den area of their house with five or six WWII rifles. Mosin M44, K98, Lee Enfield, Springfield 1903, and one or two others, one being a straight-pull bolt action from Finland I believe.

Unfortunately the Springfield is the only one in non-working condition. It's a "training" version with the barrel welded shut, firing pin removed, etc. still cool to handle it though.

EDIT: found a pic

 

[Xdrive05]

BearPawB, re: home defense. Consider a 20 gauge shotgun. About half the recoil of a 12 gauge with 80% the power. You can get a security model Mossberg Maverick 88 for about $220 or so. Or $100 more for a Mossberg 500/ if you think you'd want to customize the forend at some point.

The Rio C20 #1 buckshot is highly effective:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=404262

Or get a 12 gauge and some low recoil shells for her.

 

[phazedplasma]

Hey gungaf.

I want a handgun. Primarily something that I can do uspsa stuff with and in 9mm.

I have small hands. Like to stay under 600.

Glock 19????

pls advise

 

[appaws]

Hey gungaf.

I want a handgun. Primarily something that I can do uspsa stuff with and in 9mm.

I have small hands. Like to stay under 600.

Glock 19????

pls advise

USPSA!!!!!!!! Awesome. Right up my alley. Where do you live?

I would say no to the Glock 19 for match action. If you want a Glock, I recommend the G34 for competition. A majority of the pros and good amateurs use it. Magazines, holsters, and all the related stuff are easy to get.

Alternatively, I recommend the XDM Competition version of the 9mm. It is similar to a G34 with the barrel cut out on top and the long sight radius. It has better mag releases than the Glock and interchangeable grips for your smaller hands. Amazing sights stock on it, better than the Glock sights. The only drawback is that the trigger is not really competition ready...you could use it for a while but at some point you would want to replace it.

Glocks and XDs are fundamentally different in the grip angle. That is why everyone seems to like only one and not the other. Gaston Glock had an idea about the grip angle being the same as pointing your index finger and that would make it more natural to point it at the target. The XD grip angle is exactly like a 1911 so old guys can shoot an XD with not much adjustment if they were .45 men. Once you get used to one it seems to ruin you for the other. You can go to GlockTalk or the XD forums and watch them all troll the fuck out of each other and get so vicious that they would fit right in with the worst console fanboy here!

Do you already shoot USPSA? Or could you go to a match and watch and talk to some people? Gun people are the friendliest people around. A lot of them would be happy to give you great advice and even let you try out or at least hold their guns so you can see what feels best to you.

I think you can get into both of the recommendations I made for $650 or so. The real expense of competition shooting ends up being ammo. Before long you will end up spending so much more on rounds for matches and practice than you ever invested in the gun. Also consider the cost of belt, holster, mag pouches, extra magazines, hearing protection, and a decent big range bag.

Don't let me scare you away though. It is super fun and worth every penny.

 

[phazedplasma]

USPSA!!!!!!!! Awesome. Right up my alley. Where do you live?

I would say no to the Glock 19 for match action. If you want a Glock, I recommend the G34 for competition. A majority of the pros and good amateurs use it. Magazines, holsters, and all the related stuff are easy to get.

Alternatively, I recommend the XDM Competition version of the 9mm. It is similar to a G34 with the barrel cut out on top and the long sight radius. It has better mag releases than the Glock and interchangeable grips for your smaller hands. Amazing sights stock on it, better than the Glock sights. The only drawback is that the trigger is not really competition ready...you could use it for a while but at some point you would want to replace it.

Glocks and XDs are fundamentally different in the grip angle. That is why everyone seems to like only one and not the other. Gaston Glock had an idea about the grip angle being the same as pointing your index finger and that would make it more natural to point it at the target. The XD grip angle is exactly like a 1911 so old guys can shoot an XD with not much adjustment if they were .45 men. Once you get used to one it seems to ruin you for the other. You can go to GlockTalk or the XD forums and watch them all troll the fuck out of each other and get so vicious that they would fit right in with the worst console fanboy here!

Do you already shoot USPSA? Or could you go to a match and watch and talk to some people? Gun people are the friendliest people around. A lot of them would be happy to give you great advice and even let you try out or at least hold their guns so you can see what feels best to you.

I think you can get into both of the recommendations I made for $650 or so. The real expense of competition shooting ends up being ammo. Before long you will end up spending so much more on rounds for matches and practice than you ever invested in the gun. Also consider the cost of belt, holster, mag pouches, extra magazines, hearing protection, and a decent big range bag.

Don't let me scare you away though. It is super fun and worth every penny.

I guess I should qualify I want a do everything gun. the 34 seems pretty huge. If i really fall in love with USPSA i can see my self getting a competition specific gun.

I haven't gone to any matches yet. I was hoping to pick up a hand gun first. Im in Denver and apparently the Boulder rifle club does a match every other sunday and they're really friendly so might go up there next time they have a match.

Basically whatever pistol I get will be a better shot than me so im not too worried about getting a comp gun or something because i won't be able to take advantage of it.

Thanks for the advice on xd vs glock. I haven't been swayed either way yet but there is a shot close by that does cheap rentals so I can go there and check it out this week hopefully.

Thanks!

 

[Poindexter]

I shoot a Colt 1911 XSE for competition. Such fun stuff. I'm looking to do rifle bench shooting as my next step. I'm pretty excited.

If you do get into this reloading will be a necessity unless you have deep pockets. Yesterday I loaded up 500 rounds of .223 and 500 of .45 ACP. It feels good!

 

[appaws]

I guess I should qualify I want a do everything gun. the 34 seems pretty huge. If i really fall in love with USPSA i can see my self getting a competition specific gun.

I haven't gone to any matches yet. I was hoping to pick up a hand gun first. Im in Denver and apparently the Boulder rifle club does a match every other sunday and they're really friendly so might go up there next time they have a match.

Basically whatever pistol I get will be a better shot than me so im not too worried about getting a comp gun or something because i won't be able to take advantage of it.

Thanks for the advice on xd vs glock. I haven't been swayed either way yet but there is a shot close by that does cheap rentals so I can go there and check it out this week hopefully.

Thanks!

No problem. That all makes sense. The Glock 19 is a fantastic gun, and I certainly think it fits what you are describing as a "do everything" gun. It will also be a good gun for concealed carry if you decide to go that route.

Bigger guns are better for competition because of the long sight radius. But one of the great things about USPSA and IDPA is that you can "run what ya brung" for the most part and learn the sport before spending a lot of money.

Of course there are tons of other great guns besides XDs and Glocks. My wife shoots a Smith and Wesson M&P9 in matches, but it is also a great gun for all kinds of uses. Ruger has a new "American Pistol" line in .9 and .45 that looks pretty nice, I hear its in the running to replace the Berettas with the military.

Yes, rent away. Try several different kinds....getting to see how you like them before buying is just the best. You may fall in love. My wife and I went to a range not long ago and they had a Kimber 1911 that she wanted to try. After putting a couple magazines through it she had that look on her face that she usually has at the shoe store....our anniversary is coming up, I think I am going to be 1200 bucks lighter!

 

[hwalker84]

My bias will always sneak through but when it comes to cheaper competition like guns I'd do either the XDM 5.25 9mm, or M&P9 Pro over the Glock.

Though my personal choice would be the upcoming PPQ Q5

 

[Piggus]

In a completely non-competition-related note, SGAmmo has an awesome deal on 7.62x39, so I ordered 1000 rounds. Some pumpkins, old electronics, watermelons, soda cans, and other non-living targets are about to experience some real terror.

Finally got the .308 Winchester I've been yearning for...

It's a DPMS Oracle. Weather willing I'll be hitting the range tomorrow. It's a heavy motherfucker at 8 lbs empty and before I put the aftermarket handguard and foregrip. The grip is also uncomfortable as fuck so I'm going to swing by a local shop tomorrow and pick up something to replace it. I moved my optics from my mini 14 so I also need to start looking for a proper one. I haven't shopped for a scope in a while since I've mainly been buying handguns. Any suggestions that won't break the bank for long range target practice would be appreciated.

That's beautiful. I have that grip on my cheapo AR, but I don't mind the ergonomics of it so much as the weight. It seems unnecessarily heavy. I also bought an inexpensive 3x prism scope until I can afford something better, but for my purposes it should be fine.

 

[phazedplasma]

My bias will always sneak through but when it comes to cheaper competition like guns I'd do either the XDM 5.25 9mm, or M&P9 Pro over the Glock.

Though my personal choice would be the upcoming PPQ Q5

That 5 inch ppq m2 is HOT. Def need to hold one of those.

 

[hwalker84]

My last two pickups.

PPQ 45

H&K USP 9 Tactical LE

 

[BearPawB]

Ugh. Why does this pistol purchase permit take so long North Carolina!

It has been like 10 days and my status is still "assigning to processor shortly"

 

[Poindexter]

That's beautiful. I have that grip on my cheapo AR, but I don't mind the ergonomics of it so much as the weight. It seems unnecessarily heavy. I also bought an inexpensive 3x prism scope until I can afford something better, but for my purposes it should be fine.

You are completely right about it being heavy. I was pretty set on replacing it but I'm doing bench shooting with it and the extra weight is actually pretty helpful.

How much did you pay for the prism scope? I dug out an old Smith and Wesson branded scope from my spare parts box. It's 1.5 - 6x and the optics are great but man! The eye relief on this fella gives you a super narrow field of vision. It gets the job done though.

 

[Piggus]

You are completely right about it being heavy. I was pretty set on replacing it but I'm doing bench shooting with it and the extra weight is actually pretty helpful.

How much did you pay for the prism scope? I dug out an old Smith and Wesson branded scope from my spare parts box. It's 1.5 - 6x and the optics are great but man! The eye relief on this fella gives you a super narrow field of vision. It gets the job done though.

99 bucks. The eye relief also isn't that great, but I can live with it. I'll probably be able to test it out on Friday.

 

[Poindexter]

99 bucks. The eye relief also isn't that great, but I can live with it. I'll probably be able to test it out on Friday.

Let me know how it goes!

 

[Poindexter]

Broke in my Kimber Micro Carry in .380 today. Such a smooth handgun. I love it!

 

[Piggus]

Let me know how it goes!

Got a chance to try it out yesterday and it seems to work great! As the reviews suggested, I put some locktight on the Allen screws holding the scope to the mount and didn't have any problems. It feels very solid. Unfortunately I didn't have much time to really dial it in, but I'm getting a membership at the local gun range soon so I'll be able to test it some more next week.

My usual shooting spots are either covered in snow or blocked off for logging. However I did find a cool new spot that I'll definitely be going back to:

 

[QualityPixel]

Finally got an upper! SAA (Aero Precision?), .223/5.56, 1:7 twist, nickle-boron bolt, Yankee Hill Diamond handguard, American flag laser etched on top (baldeagletear.jpg). Can't wait to get the rest of what I need. Lower is a Palmetto State with Magpul MOE (got it for $180 last year).

Going to mount a Redfield 2-7x33 scope on it that I had laying around.

Any tips on sighting/zeroing? I've read it's good to zero AR-15's at 50 yds which will give good grouping from about 50-250 yrds.

 

[Piggus]

Looks great! I really need to get that stock... The M4-style one on mine feels so cheap compared to the rest of the gun.

Anyway, Christmas has arrived via Russia:

And it all fits nice and snug in a single ammo can

Also, the trigger on my AR-15 is kind of shite, so I'm going to try out this Rise Armament RA-140. At a little over $100, It's getting tons of praise for its value. Personally I can't understand how companies like Geissele can charge $300+ for some small pieces of machined metal and a few springs. Is a trigger really THAT expensive to produce?

 

[Poindexter]

Got a chance to try it out yesterday and it seems to work great! As the reviews suggested, I put some locktight on the Allen screws holding the scope to the mount and didn't have any problems. It feels very solid. Unfortunately I didn't have much time to really dial it in, but I'm getting a membership at the local gun range soon so I'll be able to test it some more next week.

My usual shooting spots are either covered in snow or blocked off for logging. However I did find a cool new spot that I'll definitely be going back to:

That's awesome! I wish I had somewhere like that to shoot. I need a friend with land.

Finally got an upper! SAA (Aero Precision?), .223/5.56, 1:7 twist, nickle-boron bolt, Yankee Hill Diamond handguard, American flag laser etched on top (baldeagletear.jpg). Can't wait to get the rest of what I need. Lower is a Palmetto State with Magpul MOE (got it for $180 last year).

Going to mount a Redfield 2-7x33 scope on it that I had laying around.

Any tips on sighting/zeroing? I've read it's good to zero AR-15's at 50 yds which will give good grouping from about 50-250 yrds.

I always sight at 50 yards with 223. Just do it on a calm day. I tend to shoot 3 rounds and see where they consistently land, adjust the sight and then shoot 3 more. Then I move out further to make sure it's good. Not sure if that's the correct or efficient but it's what my dad taught me and works well enough to get decent MOA.

 

[lostsupper]

MOA is a measure of precision, not accuracy. Precision won't be affected by your zero.

 

[appaws]

Looks great! I really need to get that stock... The M4-style one on mine feels so cheap compared to the rest of the gun.

Anyway, Christmas has arrived via Russia:

And it all fits nice and snug in a single ammo can

Also, the trigger on my AR-15 is kind of shite, so I'm going to try out this Rise Armament RA-140. At a little over $100, It's getting tons of praise for its value. Personally I can't understand how companies like Geissele can charge $300+ for some small pieces of machined metal and a few springs. Is a trigger really THAT expensive to produce?

God, I wish the people in the gun control threads could see your Christmas gift from Russia....they'd shit themselves.

 

[QualityPixel]

I always sight at 50 yards with 223. Just do it on a calm day. I tend to shoot 3 rounds and see where they consistently land, adjust the sight and then shoot 3 more. Then I move out further to make sure it's good. Not sure if that's the correct or efficient but it's what my dad taught me and works well enough to get decent MOA.

Yeah, sounds like a good plan. I'll do a bit more reading on the subject before I go to the range. I don't think I'll do much shooting beyond 100 yards with a 2-7x scope.

 

[Poindexter]

MOA is a measure of precision, not accuracy. Precision won't be affected by your zero.

I'll be honest... I never really separated the two. I always just showed up, zeroed in and associated it with my grouping. I haven't had tons of experience with serious rifle target shooting so it may be dumb but you kinda just blew my mind. Thanks.

 

[Piggus]

God, I wish the people in the gun control threads could see your Christmas gift from Russia....they'd shit themselves.

I'm sure a few of the usual suspects would angrily tell me that I have blood on my hands and support the murder of children. The usual tripe. The lengths some people here go to in order to villainize others is pretty special.

EDIT: Alright, I got that Rise Armament RA-140 trigger group installed, and holy crap is it amazing compared to the original milspec trigger. If anyone is looking for a nice light single stage trigger for their AR and don't want to pay hundreds of dollars, the RA-140 is just about perfect.

 

[Poindexter]

Thanks for the feedback. I need a new trigger for my DPMS 308. The trigger pull is so long and gritty. Time to see if that trigger will work in mine.

 

[Poindexter]

Anyone have feedback or opinions on Redfield Revolution or Nikon Prostaff scopes? I'm leaning towards the Redfield. I'm specifically looking for a 3-9x40.

I can also get a Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x40 for half the price but I'm a bit worried about the quality on those.

 

[QualityPixel]

I've got a Redfield 2-7x33, and I really like it. My other choice would be the Nikon. I've looked through Nikon scopes before at Cabela's and was impressed.