New it's around $1000 check the slickgun prices http://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/sig p226 mk25
Click on the sites for the true price.
$800 is decent.
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New it's around $1000 check the slickgun prices http://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/sig p226 mk25
Click on the sites for the true price.
$800 is decent.
I added a Texas Weapon Systems dogleg dust cover rail to my AK. Seems pretty nice! However I need to replace that shitty red dot with something that doesn't sit so high up. The Bumpski stock is clearly made with iron sights in mind, so I need a low profile sight instead of that crappy red dot. I wish Fostech would sell a raised cheekplate.
Also added a Hogue forend since I really like the Hogue grip on my shotgun, but the fit is pretty loose. I'll need to somehow shim it to make it fit tighter.
Also added a Hogue forend since I really like the Hogue grip on my shotgun, but the fit is pretty loose. I'll need to somehow shim it to make it fit tighter.
Question: If a foreigner moves to 'Murica, and after a long while applies and is granted citizenship, can he apply for a license to own firearms? Or will the officials be like "Y'all gotta be born in 'Murica to shoot our gawns".
When I retire I want to buy a small plot of land and shoot crap like my new favourite YouTuber: hickok45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtsLwcVZEE
Never allowed to have neat guns like these where I live.
When I retire I want to buy a small plot of land and shoot crap like my new favourite YouTuber: hickok45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtsLwcVZEE
Never allowed to have neat guns like these where I live.
It varies from state to state. In the free states you don't need a license to own a gun. For example I believe if you immigrated to Utah and got your green card you would just have to wait 90 days (to establish residency) before you were able to buy a gun. The only part I'm not totally sure on is the 90 days, that might not actually be required.
If you're a citizen you have all the rights to gun ownership as every other citizen. (Which means it's up to the state you live in to determine if any waiting periods are applicable.)
Thanks guys. Once I get accepted in medical school (few years of serious applying), graduate (six+ years of school) and work enough to save for relocation, I'll move there to shoot guns. Well, that is, if this isn't just a passing interest. (It most likely is, but I'd love to be an old pops with my own shooting range)
That's the dream bro, nice big private plot of land to shoot on.
I am now Solid Snake!
Compared to a G17.
Congrats! The best shooting .45 I own.
appaws
Banned
I just wanted to get in and greet this thread and get it on my subscribed list. I've been participating in some of the gun control threads and wanted to see if GAF had a gun community going on...and found ya.
I am the owner of:
Springfield Armory XD-45...my full-size carry gun.
S&W 642 w/ Crimson Trace laser-grips.....my backup/summer pocket carry gun.
Remington 870 20ga for skeet and trap.
S&W M&P 9mm for USPSA matches
Remington 94 lever action 30-30 that my dad gave me
Ruger Mark I .22 pistol
I am in the market for an AK now...? I have always lusted after an Arsenal, but I am not sure I want to spend that much. I am considering the milled Century c39v2, or maybe a WASR from Atlantic since they do QC inspections before sending them out.
Anyone have any AK newb advice for me...?
I am the owner of:
Springfield Armory XD-45...my full-size carry gun.
S&W 642 w/ Crimson Trace laser-grips.....my backup/summer pocket carry gun.
Remington 870 20ga for skeet and trap.
S&W M&P 9mm for USPSA matches
Remington 94 lever action 30-30 that my dad gave me
Ruger Mark I .22 pistol
I am in the market for an AK now...? I have always lusted after an Arsenal, but I am not sure I want to spend that much. I am considering the milled Century c39v2, or maybe a WASR from Atlantic since they do QC inspections before sending them out.
Anyone have any AK newb advice for me...?
appaws
Banned
I added a Texas Weapon Systems dogleg dust cover rail to my AK. Seems pretty nice! However I need to replace that shitty red dot with something that doesn't sit so high up. The Bumpski stock is clearly made with iron sights in mind, so I need a low profile sight instead of that crappy red dot. I wish Fostech would sell a raised cheekplate.
Also added a Hogue forend since I really like the Hogue grip on my shotgun, but the fit is pretty loose. I'll need to somehow shim it to make it fit tighter.
That's pretty sweet. What should I be looking for as a newb?
I've noticed you as my ally on all the dumb gun control threads. Thanks.
I got a new rifle today. Or rather an old rifle. My grandpa gave me this from his Winchester collection:
Winchester Model 53 in 32-20. It's quite rare (they made about 22,000 in the 1920s 30s) and this particular one is in fantastic condition, manufactured in 1926. Rock Island Auctions sold one recently in much worse shape for about $5000.
I don't have any experience with some of the nicer AK variants, but I can tell you that my WASR-10 has been pretty fantastic. Century had a lot of quality control issues in the past, but they seem to have fixed a lot of those problems. They're still a little rough compared to something like an Arsenal, but in terms of functionality there's nothing wrong with them. If you DO decide to to get one, just make sure you inspect it. There are some great videos online about what to look for. Mainly you're looking for a military proofmark, Tapco trigger, and machine-etched lettering on the receiver (as opposed to hand-etched). Those are telltale signs that it's a new WASR built after they addressed their quality control issues.
The C39 is nice, but for some reason they didn't add a sight rail to the side of the receiver so if you want optics that aren't super far forward on the forend you'll have to have the sight put on but a gunsmith (unless you have the tools yourself.) Century also makes a fully US-made stamped AK that looks pretty nice too, but not sure if those have the sight or not.
Winchester Model 53 in 32-20. It's quite rare (they made about 22,000 in the 1920s 30s) and this particular one is in fantastic condition, manufactured in 1926. Rock Island Auctions sold one recently in much worse shape for about $5000.
I don't have any experience with some of the nicer AK variants, but I can tell you that my WASR-10 has been pretty fantastic. Century had a lot of quality control issues in the past, but they seem to have fixed a lot of those problems. They're still a little rough compared to something like an Arsenal, but in terms of functionality there's nothing wrong with them. If you DO decide to to get one, just make sure you inspect it. There are some great videos online about what to look for. Mainly you're looking for a military proofmark, Tapco trigger, and machine-etched lettering on the receiver (as opposed to hand-etched). Those are telltale signs that it's a new WASR built after they addressed their quality control issues.
The C39 is nice, but for some reason they didn't add a sight rail to the side of the receiver so if you want optics that aren't super far forward on the forend you'll have to have the sight put on but a gunsmith (unless you have the tools yourself.) Century also makes a fully US-made stamped AK that looks pretty nice too, but not sure if those have the sight or not.
Before getting anything, consider what kind of optics you want on it, if any. Optics mounting is the weirdest part of AKs. An AK will never be optimal for a competition gun, but seeing this would be your first semi-auto rifle, maybe you want the option to compete with it? If so, you need full size optics which means side rail. (Dust cover mounting as on Piggus' gun is not standard for AKs and not recommended for accuracy.) Otherwise, I think AKs are best considered as <150m, short range guns. A simple red dot increases the performance of the gun, but for that I would also personally prefer mounting on the gas tube instead of the dust cover.
I'll be doing some tests next months to see how well the dust cover rail I bought actually does, but that particular one, according to many reviews, does a very good job of holding zero as long as it's mounted correctly (I should hope so for the price). However the only reason I bought it was to allow for a red dot to be mounted lower, because with a side rail mount I couldn't rest my cheek on the stock and still get a sight picture.
Also, only mount on the gas tube if the furniture you put on is solid.
Also, only mount on the gas tube if the furniture you put on is solid.
dark_quota
Banned
Cool.I've been working a lot of overtime hours, so I impulse-bought a Ruger Mark III. I prefer the look of the standard version over the ones with adjustable sights.
Also, I FINALLY got some powder for for my flintlock. I will let you guys know how that works this this weekend.
I actually just got some Williams Fire Sights for my 22/45 Mark III.
Also got two 525 Rd boxes of Federal 22LR 36 grain HP from Dick's Sporting Goods on Thursday night.
M1 Garand? If you haven't shot a rifle before, I guess. Otherwise buying more shooting time and ammo for pistols is likely a better use for your money.
The major thing you'll probably take away from an introduction to rifle shooting is the contrast in difficulty. You can be a newbie with lousy shooting skills, get minimal instruction and still hit targets reliably with a rifle in easy conditions (static target, no time limit, shooting prone or from a bench, optical sight). It can be almost "point and click". Very few of my fellow army conscripts had any problems hitting targets at the end of our first range trip, and that was with iron sighted AKs at up to 150m distance. Pistols, in comparison, tend to take even naturally gifted people some active instruction and multiple range trips before they start feeling in control of the gun.
My local Bi-Mart has had .22 in stock for some time. I bought a 325 rnd box of Federal the other day and I might get another box today. Shot about 100 rounds through the Mark III and love it.
Unfortunately the patches I bought for my flintlock pistol are too thick, so I'll have to wait until next weekend to test it.
dark_quota
Banned
Haven't had much experience with flintlock.I have used my dad's muzzleloader's though. My small town Walmart is always in demand for .22 ammunition though. If I'm going to find any it's going to be at the local bait and tackle shop.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
After a year of sitting on my osprey 45 I've finally bought a threaded barrel and piston to use it. I'll post pictures soon.
rob305
Member
I can tell you from my experience in FL since this is what I had to go through. First of all, only legal permanent residents can acquire firearms. This means you need a green card or a valid work visa as well as a FL ID. You'll get a FL ID after you have your green card or visa at the DMV.
Now, as a resident (vs a citizen) you are submitted to a background check every time you make a purchase. So every time you go to a store and buy a firearm you need to bring your ID as well as a proof of residency. They will have you fill out a form where you also supply your alien # (USCIS #) and the store will call a number and pass on your information. Then, if all goes well, they will give you a temporary clearance.
Different counties have different laws as of when they can release the firearm to you. In Miami-Dade, its 5 days doesn't matter if its a handgun or rifle. In Broward County and further up north, you'll get a rifle after 3 days I think.
As a resident, even if you have a concealed carry permit, you always have to go through those waiting periods. A citizen with a CCP will get the firearm released straight away
MisterNoisy
Member
How in the hell is this not an SBR? I want one.
According to the ATF it(and the sigbrace) is if you let them touch your shoulder, so don't go doing that.
SBR regulation is some arbitrary bullshit that the ATF just makes up on the fly and it needs to go away.
It's a law that only affects law abiding citizens, as it takes a whole 15 seconds to build an illegal SBR if a criminal really wants one, meanwhile regular citizens risk a constructive intent charge for owning a pistol upper without a pistol lower or a stock without a rifle.
Nope, that's what they said originally, but then they arbitrarily reversed their decision after it was released and people started shouldering them and said that if you shoulder the weapon, it's a stock.
Not that I think the ATF's new interpretation would make it through the courts, especially after they OK'd it initially, but the fact that a law enforcement agency can arbitrarily decide what the law is is troubling.
Technically the ATF issued an "opinion" that shouldering it makes it a stock and therefore an SBR, and therefore it's technically not illegal to do it. But try telling that to a police officer who sees you doing it. You may win in court but it would be a pain in the ass to deal with.
Anyway, bought a cheap AR. Dunno when I'll get ammo for it though. I'll probably get a nicer upper for it later with some good accessories, but I really love the "classic" AR/M4 look.
Glad you had a good time! What guns did you try and what was your favorite?
Anyway, bought a cheap AR. Dunno when I'll get ammo for it though. I'll probably get a nicer upper for it later with some good accessories, but I really love the "classic" AR/M4 look.
Glad you had a good time! What guns did you try and what was your favorite?
.22 pistol, revolver, bolt action, Erma M1
.38 Smith & Wesson revolver
.357 Smith & Wesson revolver magnum
9mm CZ Ceska Zbrojovka
.30 M1 US Carbine
The .38 revolver and .30 M1 were definitely my favorite. I want to go back to practice with the 9mm but I'll wait since I can only shoot one day a year without a licence where I live.
All right, NeoGAF, can you help a completely clueless dude out? Because I really don't wanna have to make a thread all about this, it's kinda embarrassing... tl;dr in-coming about gun inheritance.
So I have a grandfather who resides in Arizona and has a huge gun collection. I also have a crazy aunt with previous felony charges who is greedy and would love to get her hands on his gun collection so she could sell them for top dollar. My mom, who lives in Washington state, wants nothing to do with her insane sister or the guns... but my grandfather is considering putting both her and her sister down on the will to inherit his stuff upon his death. This would mean that they would both inherit his huge ass gun collection--which is, by the way, really the only valuable thing he owns.
My mom is getting stressed out about this, so I thought I would try to Google stuff to appease her fears, and I can't understand any of the legalese. Basically, since my aunt is a felon, and the cops hate her ass in general, I figure she can't even touch the guns, regardless of whether or not she'd inherit them. Therefore they would all fall straight into my mom's hands, yeah? My mom doesn't want his guns and doesn't really care about the value, so she'd rather just donate them--whatever gets them out of her possession the quickest. However, she doesn't have a gun license, and she lives in Washington, and would rather not stay in Arizona any longer than she has to. So Question #1 is what is the best, legal way for her to get rid of the guns asap, hopefully with her not having to stay in Arizona for longer than the funeral / estate sale?
And Question #2... Can the aunt do anything legally in retaliation for my mom disposing of the guns in the easiest way possible? My mom is worried that my aunt would get pissed over not getting top premium for the guns, so would try to sue my mom or something. Given my aunt's felony charges and drug addict problems, I want to say that the court would just laugh at her skanky ass? But I know nothing about laws and wills and shit. My aunt would probably try and find some kind of legal way to retaliate against my mom and get the money "owed" to her. But my aunt shouldn't have any say on what my mom does with the guns since my aunt can't handle the guns in any way, right? So it shouldn't matter what my mom does with the guns, they are 100% in every way hers, whether she kept them or sold/donated them, and not my aunt's?
I know this is only 50% about firearms, but I really have no idea how this stuff works in two different states, and with Washington being so strict in particular. If this was just one state I could probably figure this out myself... So if anyone has any advice, thanks.
And obviously tip number one is get an attorney, but my family isn't at that stage yet. He hasn't even made his will yet...and Mom is kind of hoping he puts it off until he dies because, though she loves him, she really doesn't wanna put up with this shit. Her sister is seriously nuts and is going to be absolutely retched about the entire process. We will of course seek professional legal advice when the time comes. I am not using this or Google as a replacement for an attorney or something, haha.
If I can at least get some answers in regards to Question #1 that would help a lot.
So I have a grandfather who resides in Arizona and has a huge gun collection. I also have a crazy aunt with previous felony charges who is greedy and would love to get her hands on his gun collection so she could sell them for top dollar. My mom, who lives in Washington state, wants nothing to do with her insane sister or the guns... but my grandfather is considering putting both her and her sister down on the will to inherit his stuff upon his death. This would mean that they would both inherit his huge ass gun collection--which is, by the way, really the only valuable thing he owns.
My mom is getting stressed out about this, so I thought I would try to Google stuff to appease her fears, and I can't understand any of the legalese. Basically, since my aunt is a felon, and the cops hate her ass in general, I figure she can't even touch the guns, regardless of whether or not she'd inherit them. Therefore they would all fall straight into my mom's hands, yeah? My mom doesn't want his guns and doesn't really care about the value, so she'd rather just donate them--whatever gets them out of her possession the quickest. However, she doesn't have a gun license, and she lives in Washington, and would rather not stay in Arizona any longer than she has to. So Question #1 is what is the best, legal way for her to get rid of the guns asap, hopefully with her not having to stay in Arizona for longer than the funeral / estate sale?
And Question #2... Can the aunt do anything legally in retaliation for my mom disposing of the guns in the easiest way possible? My mom is worried that my aunt would get pissed over not getting top premium for the guns, so would try to sue my mom or something. Given my aunt's felony charges and drug addict problems, I want to say that the court would just laugh at her skanky ass? But I know nothing about laws and wills and shit. My aunt would probably try and find some kind of legal way to retaliate against my mom and get the money "owed" to her. But my aunt shouldn't have any say on what my mom does with the guns since my aunt can't handle the guns in any way, right? So it shouldn't matter what my mom does with the guns, they are 100% in every way hers, whether she kept them or sold/donated them, and not my aunt's?
I know this is only 50% about firearms, but I really have no idea how this stuff works in two different states, and with Washington being so strict in particular. If this was just one state I could probably figure this out myself... So if anyone has any advice, thanks.
And obviously tip number one is get an attorney, but my family isn't at that stage yet. He hasn't even made his will yet...and Mom is kind of hoping he puts it off until he dies because, though she loves him, she really doesn't wanna put up with this shit. Her sister is seriously nuts and is going to be absolutely retched about the entire process. We will of course seek professional legal advice when the time comes. I am not using this or Google as a replacement for an attorney or something, haha.
Because NeoGAF loves giving people crap about asking for medical advice even if they're literally waiting for their schedules doctor's appointment.
appaws
Banned
Well I am a lawyer, so I guess I should start this with a disclaimer. I cannot offer you legal advice and I am not licensed in any of the states you are discussing. I have never practiced probate law or done wills or trusts.
So If grandpa is still alive, then really the ball is in his court. Do you have a good relationship to him? Can you have a chat with him about the gun collection, and the fact that your aunt is a felon, and what his intentions are? Is there any reason to suspect he might die soon without a will?
If he leaves the gun collection specifically to a certain individual, it would be up to that individual to dispose of it or keep it. If he leaves it to your mom, then she could seek out a buyer. If to your aunt, and if the law prevents her from owning a firearm, that would be her deal to work out. Your mom can't just grab the collection and ignore the will.
As far as your aunt retaliating against your mom. If he leaves the collection to your mom she can do what she wants. If he leaves them to your aunt and your mom just takes them anyway, then yeah...she could have a cause of action against your mom. It could also be a criminal matter.
1. Speak clearly to grandpa about his intentions and your concerns about your aunt. Remind him that he should speak to the person doing his will specifically about this issue. Remind him that firearms might not be the best thing to bequeath to a loved one who has had problems like those.
2. Legal counsel with experience in these issues, of course.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
I'll buy them, especially when if there's anything vintage or a WW2 bring back. I don't want to see anything historical melted down or in the hands of a felon.
You really should have the guns appraised before getting rid of them if that's what it comes to. You say your mom doesn't care about the money now, but I was recently given a gun that I thought was worth maybe $1000 and it turned out to be extremely rare and worth over $6000. You just never know... Gun priced for collectible guns are really going up. It probably wouldn't be that hard to sell the entire collection to another collector for a single agreed upon price. The transfer to Washington does complicate things, but an attorney should be able to help with that. Whatever you do, I can assure you that the time and effort it will take to selling the guns will far outweigh the convenience of handing them over to the police for them to be destroyed. I doubt that's what your grandpa would want to have happen anyway.
I agree about speaking to your grandpa about your concerns. Though as far as I know your aunt would be breaking federal law if she were to posses any of the guns. She'd probably have to sell them in a shady way, which is quite frankly dangerous, so it's important that you do anything you can to make sure she doesn't get her hands on them. If you think things are going in that direction, you may want to have the police talk to her.
I agree about speaking to your grandpa about your concerns. Though as far as I know your aunt would be breaking federal law if she were to posses any of the guns. She'd probably have to sell them in a shady way, which is quite frankly dangerous, so it's important that you do anything you can to make sure she doesn't get her hands on them. If you think things are going in that direction, you may want to have the police talk to her.
Clarification: There is no scenario in which only my aunt gets ownership of the firearms. There are only two scenarios with the will: my mom and aunt have to split everything (land, weapons, etc), or only my mom gets all the guns (cause, like, the aunt is a freaking felon). My aunt is super, super greedy, so if there is any way she can fight my mom for money "owed" to her, she will. My family wants to avoid this in any way possible, and we also don't want grandpa's gun collection, so if it falls into my mother's hands we want them gone away with as quickly as possible without breaking any laws. I doubt my grandfather will drop dead tomorrow, but he is getting up there in age. The will is mostly a conversation point because my aunt keeps bothering my grandfather about it and what she'll get from his stuff... It's pretty gross, honestly.
And I do respect proper gun value and all that, but I cannot emphasize enough how huge his collection is. It is too daunting to try and sell them all for the fair price they are worth, especially when I am pretty sure she can't just take them with her back to Washington state without a gun license (that she doesn't want and would take time), and my mom is worried there are so many guns she would need a dealer license just to legally sell them all. If this were just like... twenty guns or something? This would be fine. But it's a huge, huge collection. He's almost a hoarder. And yeah Grandpa would hate this but my mom despises guns and doesn't want to stay in Arizona and I just can't argue with her about that. Especially since, when this happens, she'll be grieving over her dead father. And if he hates it so bad he could start trying to sell them now / get that taken care of...but he's the type of person who will put this stuff off until he's dead, so, eh. Only so much sympathy I can muster for the man when he's putting a pretty heavy burden on my mom with this inheritance shit (it's not just the guns but it's off topic). If the timing is convenient I might try and help her with the super rare/old guns but I'm clueless on this shit so there's only so much I can do--and I also don't have a license and reside in Washington state.
And I can't take any offers here because
a) he's not even dead yet, eesh
b) there is little chance we are selling them online; we would do it in person to a gun dealer or something
c) we don't know specific details of his collection--like, actual pistol names or what have you.
Just don't ask about it, sorry.
So it sounds like if my mom is left with the guns in the will and my aunt isn't involved in the ownership, my aunt has no say in regards to what is done with them, yeah? Great. So...what if the will says they get everything 50/50? That's what I'm stuck on, because... since my aunt is a felon, and both my mom and aunt get "everything", would the gun possession just default to my mom? Or is that not the case? Because if so my family has a huge problem. My aunt would definitely try to sue us if we don't get top dollar for every weapon. If there's a way, she'll find it. And if we just leave the weapons with my aunt, she'll give them to people in the drug trade or something... I'm not kidding. Grandfather's already had multiple guns stolen. So then, if my mom has any ownership attached to the guns because of the will, then my mom has to worry about the legal problems that would arise if the aunt does any illegal shit with the weapons, I'm assuming?
I told my mom she should try and persuade Grandfather to give the weapons to my mom 100% in the will, and not involve the aunt, because we just really don't want to deal with the aunt having her hands in that. (And btw I have zero relationship with the grandfather...only saw the guy once in my life. So I can't say shit to him, lol.) If we don't have to worry about my aunt, then we can just worry about how to handle the guns in the most legal / safest way possible. Hopefully by the time he dies our finances are okay enough to where we can get a good attorney to deal with all that properly and quickly so my mom can get back home to Arizona--because, like I said, I don't think she can take the weapons back to Washington with her and take her sweet time selling them for their true value. And it's really not feasible for her to stay in Arizona for a considerable amount of time, whatever our financial situation is at that time.
Sorry for the wall of text but I do appreciate any help.
And I do respect proper gun value and all that, but I cannot emphasize enough how huge his collection is. It is too daunting to try and sell them all for the fair price they are worth, especially when I am pretty sure she can't just take them with her back to Washington state without a gun license (that she doesn't want and would take time), and my mom is worried there are so many guns she would need a dealer license just to legally sell them all. If this were just like... twenty guns or something? This would be fine. But it's a huge, huge collection. He's almost a hoarder. And yeah Grandpa would hate this but my mom despises guns and doesn't want to stay in Arizona and I just can't argue with her about that. Especially since, when this happens, she'll be grieving over her dead father. And if he hates it so bad he could start trying to sell them now / get that taken care of...but he's the type of person who will put this stuff off until he's dead, so, eh. Only so much sympathy I can muster for the man when he's putting a pretty heavy burden on my mom with this inheritance shit (it's not just the guns but it's off topic). If the timing is convenient I might try and help her with the super rare/old guns but I'm clueless on this shit so there's only so much I can do--and I also don't have a license and reside in Washington state.
And I can't take any offers here because
a) he's not even dead yet, eesh
b) there is little chance we are selling them online; we would do it in person to a gun dealer or something
c) we don't know specific details of his collection--like, actual pistol names or what have you.
Just don't ask about it, sorry.
So it sounds like if my mom is left with the guns in the will and my aunt isn't involved in the ownership, my aunt has no say in regards to what is done with them, yeah? Great. So...what if the will says they get everything 50/50? That's what I'm stuck on, because... since my aunt is a felon, and both my mom and aunt get "everything", would the gun possession just default to my mom? Or is that not the case? Because if so my family has a huge problem. My aunt would definitely try to sue us if we don't get top dollar for every weapon. If there's a way, she'll find it. And if we just leave the weapons with my aunt, she'll give them to people in the drug trade or something... I'm not kidding. Grandfather's already had multiple guns stolen. So then, if my mom has any ownership attached to the guns because of the will, then my mom has to worry about the legal problems that would arise if the aunt does any illegal shit with the weapons, I'm assuming?
I told my mom she should try and persuade Grandfather to give the weapons to my mom 100% in the will, and not involve the aunt, because we just really don't want to deal with the aunt having her hands in that. (And btw I have zero relationship with the grandfather...only saw the guy once in my life. So I can't say shit to him, lol.) If we don't have to worry about my aunt, then we can just worry about how to handle the guns in the most legal / safest way possible. Hopefully by the time he dies our finances are okay enough to where we can get a good attorney to deal with all that properly and quickly so my mom can get back home to Arizona--because, like I said, I don't think she can take the weapons back to Washington with her and take her sweet time selling them for their true value. And it's really not feasible for her to stay in Arizona for a considerable amount of time, whatever our financial situation is at that time.
Sorry for the wall of text but I do appreciate any help.
appaws
Banned
No. That is not the case. Your aunt would have a legal right to 50% of the value. If they are left to her, or partially to her, just because she is legally unable to possess firearms, they would not default to your mom. It does not work like that. She would have a right to the value, or to 50% of it. The probate law (will) does not take any notice of whether she can legally possess the guns, it only cares about the value.
If the will says the gun collection gets divided 50-50...then your aunt has a right to 50% of the proceeds from selling them. What is probably the best course is that the executor of the will on your grandpa's death would liquidate the collection and divide the proceeds as grandpa wanted.
Make sure that this all gets discussed with your grandpa and with the lawyer doing the will. Make sure he knows that this could be a source of strife for the family after he is gone if proper care is not taken. Don't let him put it off, it sounds like it will be messy if he goes without a good, solid will.
Eighty Deuce
Banned
Your mom is letting the gun issue override rational thought. If there's that many guns it's worth a significant amount, if she feels the need to piss that away over political leanings then whatever. Contact some gun shops or estate liquidator and get a fraction of the value and be over with it.
All right, seems I'm wrong there. Thanks for clarifying that; then we'll see that he puts the gun ownership to my mother only. Honestly, seems like he is leaning towards that anyway, my aunt is just trying to find a way she can worm herself into the situation so she can get the money. So hopefully any talks my mom and grandfather have go smoothly there.
Like I said, there are issues about this due to her living in washington state. I am trying to figure it out still, but it really seems like my mom can't keep hold of the weapons if she wants to reside in Washington without getting a gun license (and maybe even a gun dealer one due to the number...?). If she could just keep them around her house legally while she tries to sell them for proper value? She may do that, but it doesn't seem like a possibility; that doesn't even consider storage issues. And she really, really does not want to reside in Arizona for weeks and weeks getting the "right" value for the guns. I think forcing someone to reside in a state they loathe for an extended period of time to sell off items they don't find any pleasure in is a bit much?
Really, we just want to deal with this, when the time comes, in the quickest, safest way possible, and we respect that more than getting premium value for a huge ass collection we don't understand the intricacies of...this isn't just 20-100 guns. 100 is probably the limit to where we could try and sell them "fairly." But trust me, it's more than 100. Can you try and respect that? I just want to help my mother out with something that's very emotionally taxing to her (even now when he's not going to die yet), and sure when the time comes I could try to sort out the real valuable stuff, but I know zero about guns and that's a lot of weapons to research and find a seller for... This is all mostly hypothetical anyway, since an actual will doesn't exist yet.
I know some of you would hate talking to my mother about this subject but I'm trying the best I can here and I'll try the best I can when the death actually happens and she maybe does inhert the guns.
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You don't need a permit to transport/own them back to Washington. Only if you're going to conceal carry a handgun. You can bring them back in the following ways, ship them through an FFL and pay for a background check. Or rent a UHAUL and drive them back, don't drive through California because they have fucked up laws.
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/washington/
I've been around plenty of weapons but never would consider buying one. I recently went through a little bit of handgun training/practice and was surprised by how it bothered me much later. It's one of the only things where it's basically designed to specifically harm other people at medium to close range.
Has anyone every experienced this? A bit of shock?
Has anyone every experienced this? A bit of shock?
No.
I use handguns for my sport (pretty much the only legitimate reason you can give for owning a handgun in this country). I'm forever mindful of the destructive capacity of them, and whilst there is a risk involved in using them, it's actually managing the risk that is one of the attractions to me. Like sports cars, horse riding, etc, there are inherent risks, although the conditions and rules of the sport ensure that in reality it's one of the safest sports (IPSC has a very good safety record), despite how it may look to outsiders.
It's probably different in the US - for example, I've never had my gun loaded at home. I almost never view it as a weapon. Unless you're a cop or something, you're not even allowed to fire at human shaped targets here. Whilst my gun is based on a service sidearm, it's a sporting variant especially adapted to my sport. It's not specifically designed to kill people, it's specifically designed for competitions.
Geez when I read the law it seemed like you needed a license to own any firearm here. Reading legal writing is hard, ugh. Your link & info makes things a lot easier, thank you.
I go shooting with my friends occasionally and frequently introduce it to people who have never shot a gun. Most people really enjoy it, but one of my friends was very intimidated. To be fair, she's not from the US. Nothing wrong with having that feeling. But how you use that gun is ultimately up to you and only you. At the end of the day it's just a piece of metal and plastic. Nothing more.
It can feel alien at first. It takes a little while until you actually feel in control as it twists alarmingly in your hands. There was a period where I thought I'd never shoot like I saw others doing, but now it's almost second nature after a few thousand rounds, although there are still plenty of shooters who are much better than I am at my stage.
To be honest I'm more afraid of my angle grinder (disk grinder) and chainsaw than handguns these days. I use handguns in environments that are controlled, where I don't shoot at steel closer than 10 metres away, where muzzle direction and trigger discipline is tightly controlled in comps, etc. Compare that to power tools, where there are variables that change from job to job, depending on where you're using them. Small grinders are fine, but 9 inch grinders still scare me.
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