anyone else unemployed?
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Now you get it. I mentioned Ken Caillat being the father of Colbie Caillat in another thread. He did a lot of production work for Fleetwood Mac throughout Tusk, Rumours etc. Do you think it's a coincidence his daughter has a record deal? That she has lots of airplay? Lots of singles?Hasphat6462 said:
Of course not. Her career is not bought with money, but it is exploited to grand extremes via his contacts. That's the difference. It's obviously not the quality of her work, or even her experience. Even if those were of a stellar caliber, they wouldn't keep her around very long in today's music climate. It's gone to hell in a handbasket.
I've heard awful-sounding local records come out of studios that shouldn't exist merely because of "contacts" and the mysticism of the universe - NOT a cheaper price, faster delivery, or anything worthy of note like you might think. It was contacts alone. You have to prove you're worthy of the position... But you also have to prove you're worthy of the interviewer's time first.
Words on paper often don't have anything to do with that. I bet you could have an average resume with slim job experience and still land a position if your previous employer rapport was good and if your references speak up for you.
Joel Was Right
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I'm 23 tomorrow and I'm ashamed to say I haven't held/found a job for a long time. My CV/Resume in that aspect is kind of blank, which makes it even harder to actually find a job. I hope to do some volunteer work to gain that rep and experience.
I once rang 79 retail stores in London just to ask whether or not they had any vacancies. They all said no. Sometimes I think my height plays against me (I'm 5 foot 6/7 black male, young looking). I just wish someone gave me a chance. It really depressed me not being able to find anything so I stopped looking for almost two years.
I once rang 79 retail stores in London just to ask whether or not they had any vacancies. They all said no. Sometimes I think my height plays against me (I'm 5 foot 6/7 black male, young looking). I just wish someone gave me a chance. It really depressed me not being able to find anything so I stopped looking for almost two years.
After over 2 years of being unemployed I am about to rejoin the workforce. I'm not thrilled about the job, but it pays well enough. To be honest I'm already dreading going back to work a week from now. I don't have the same desires that others seem to. Nice houses, nice cars, lots of toys? Eh. I'd rather live simply, make my own bread, eat food from the garden, and spend free time just talking with friends and family or volunteering locally. I'd rather work 20 hours a week and bring home $1000 a month (enough for me) than work 40 hours and bring home $2000. But they just don't give me that option.
Working 40 hours a week will quickly lead to me becoming frustrated and quitting the job. Luckily by then I'll have saved enough to live at the standard I'm happy with for close to a year.
Working 40 hours a week will quickly lead to me becoming frustrated and quitting the job. Luckily by then I'll have saved enough to live at the standard I'm happy with for close to a year.
Napoleonthechimp
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I've been working at Sainsburys for the past 7 months and it is complete and utter shit. 24 hours a week provides me with too much money for government help and too little for a loan. I also can't save up anything.
Quitting might just give me enough of an incentive to get out there and do something with my life. It's also worth pointing out that I have nothing to live for and care for nothing in my current situation.
Quitting might just give me enough of an incentive to get out there and do something with my life. It's also worth pointing out that I have nothing to live for and care for nothing in my current situation.
DennisK4 said:
Reading, learning, interacting with people? Helping others, getting to know your neighbors, cooking? Relaxing, thinking, observing nature?
To say life is work, to me, is mind blowing. If that's the case why do people work TOWARD retirement? Why not just work right up until they die? They work because they have to. Saving enough money to be able to NOT work becomes the goal. Phrases like "the daily grind" exist for a reason.
I'm fine with "work" of itself. Growing vegetables requires work. Cooking requires work. I understand. Still, do I want to be stuck in an office for 40 hours a week fixing computers? No, of course not. I'd much rather work far fewer hours at a "job" and spend the other hours, as I said, spending time with family or volunteering or any number of things.
You do understand that save for perhaps the last 1000 years or so, the concept we have of work didn't exist. It is (relatively speaking) something new for humans. Prior to that most people raised their own food, built their own homes, and spent the rest of their time enjoying life. Some people still live this way. The K'ung spend a very small part of their lives hunting food. The majority of their day is spent lounging, talking with friends, and playing with their children.
Most in our society simply don't consider that a viable choice. That's what we've been told for years now. And frankly in our society it isn't realistically possible anyway. Not to that degree. It doesn't mean some of us wouldn't be happier that way, though. I certainly consider the time I spend with family far more valuable, more enriching, than the time I spend at work. Why wouldn't I want to maximize the time I spend doing the things that bring me the most joy?
I hope kentpaul is a joke account. Like I said I don't mean to sound like a dick, but from the sounds of it you are a thief. If you are claiming Job Seekers Allowance you have to be actively looking for work and trying to get back into a job. Right now you are a dole scammer and overall not a nice person (no ambition, doss and leech).
Anywho I hope you enjoy your sad pathetic life and hope it is down to your ignorance and you will change as you get wiser. (no offence, just found your subsequent posts obnoxious and antagonising so felt I should reply.)
Anywho I hope you enjoy your sad pathetic life and hope it is down to your ignorance and you will change as you get wiser. (no offence, just found your subsequent posts obnoxious and antagonising so felt I should reply.)
I do all these things as part of my job.Seth C said:
A lot of people in this thread seems to think work is something horrible an evil society forces on them in order to sustain themeselves.
Obviously, the goal is to find a job that you enjoy doing. I have been fortunate/lucky/smart in this regard.
DennisK4 said:
Fair enough. What is your job? Of course, even any job in the service industry would technically include thinking, helping people, interacting, learning, and reading. But I'm curious to hear what your job is.
Ans society IS geared toward making people feel the need to "keep up with the Jones'", to buy nice things, to buy a bigger house, to go in debt for a fancy car. To think otherwise is completely foolish. That IS what our society tries to convince us we need. No one is forced in to it, but working a tedious or unenjoyable job has long been thought of as the price one must pay to have the "things (they've been convinced) they want".
I think it is important to remember that we are all different people, and what may work well for some is less ideal for others. Our society is geared toward certain ideals, and people with others may have a harder time finding their place. There was a time not so long ago (just my great-grandparents, in fact) that people could, if they chose to do so, live and work and have everything they needed from their plot of land. My great-grandfather didn't have a "job". He raised animals and plants and that was all there was to do. All his neighbors did the same. For a person who would be most happy in that life, you'd find it harder to fit in in society today. Yet you can be sure there are still people whose chemical makeup would be most happy in that lifestyle. Try to remember that.
I am a research scientist at a university. That means I do research (thinking, reading, learning and observing nature).Seth C said:
As part of my job I also teach classes and help students in my lab (interacting with other people and helping people).
I do cancer and aging research (hopefully this will some day help people live longer and healthier).
ClassyPenguin
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kentpaul reminds me of this
Spud's interview
Spud's interview
Crash Station
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B.K. said:
Come on dude, don't say shit like that. You seem like a decent guy. I'm sure you can find something. Look on a bunch of online employment sites like Monster or something. A lot of people seem to have found success with that.
talisayNon
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I have a job now. I didn't for 1 1/2 years. Got lucky that my old company contacted me to do contract work, and I've been doing it since November. Still got a lot to do, and by November we're getting busy again, so looks like I'll be needed.
I could tell you to hang in there, but fuck it. Save money and put it to work for you. I'm saving up so I can put this shit in IRA/Stocks etc. That way if I ever find myself out of a job, I won't be caught with my pants down again.
I could tell you to hang in there, but fuck it. Save money and put it to work for you. I'm saving up so I can put this shit in IRA/Stocks etc. That way if I ever find myself out of a job, I won't be caught with my pants down again.
mugurumakensei
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I'm still currently unemployed. I have been for a while. It's alright though. I've just been taking the time to work on programs on my own time. I've made an mp3 player, a couple of games, an emulator, and random web applications for personal use(I've got an application that allows me to visit most vbulletin forums in anonymous mode). I don't have any debt since my education was financed through scholarships.
Now, that's not to say I'm completely happy. A few months back, I was severely depressed. Then, I realized it'd be better for me just to work on my own things in the mean time rather than lamenting my lack of a job, and that's when I started the big push on my own applications noted above. I also am taking the time to work out and diet.
Now, that's not to say I'm completely happy. A few months back, I was severely depressed. Then, I realized it'd be better for me just to work on my own things in the mean time rather than lamenting my lack of a job, and that's when I started the big push on my own applications noted above. I also am taking the time to work out and diet.
SapientWolf
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Exactly. Free time is a relatively modern concept.avatar299 said:
SapientWolf said:
In many (more fortunate and successful) hunter-gatherer societies it's estimated that people worked about 20 hours a week, and spent the rest of their time socializing. Even in agricultural societies there were times of the season when there was not a ton of stuff to do (ie not planting or harvesting times) and this allowed people do do their thing. Not saying there weren't also a ton of people who worked themselves to death, but in a society like ours where we have the opportunity to work relatively little to get the basics we sure spend a lot of time working hard so we can buy a bunch of stupid shit.
I wouldn't want to go back to those times. My parents were raised on a farm where they grew their own food, built their own house, wore clothes sewn from WWII government rationed flour bags, and spent their life working from sunlight to sundown doing the hard labor just to eat. I'll take my 40hr work week and thank God everyday for it. Part of life is doing shit you don't want to do. I'm surprised the people deliberately avoiding a job can get hired at all, because in a different economy, most employers would want to know what in the world you were doing with yourself all that time.
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B.K. said:
Well, I tried. You're definitely not a stupid poster from what I've seen but if you don't have the motivation to do anything, I can't really say anything. Guess I shouldn't be talking since I lack motivation as well but at least I have a degree and a general idea of where I'll be in a month or so.
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Yasae said:
Sure. But I think finance works a little differently since the recruiting process is a little more rigid and methodical. I'm lucky enough to be studying at a fairly prestigious institution where the elite firms actually send their recruiters on campus. On the flip side, I'm surrounded by brilliant people and it's hard for me to stand out.
I've started working on expanding my network. I've spoken to a few recruiters at a few private equities and consulting firms around my area, put in my resume and contact info, even talked to them through informational interviews. I'll be doing more of that as soon as I finish my May classes, and when some of these recruiters come back on campus in October I can talk to them again, I can make a better pitch, talk about what I've improved and whatnot.
Crash Station
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B.K. said:
I know the feeling. My social anxiety has always held me back from doing things I wanted to do. That coupled with incredibly ambitious dreams hasn't made me look at my life positively. Still, I've been trying to push myself to do things and I'm making progress. If a total fuck up like me can do it, anyone should be able to.
DennisK4 said:
When I did my M. Sc. I did pretty much all of the above. I had a salary from teaching classes and being a research assistant + scholarships. Seems fun and everything but you are kinda forgetting to talk about the other side of the medal.
University Research is highly competitive. If you are the one to own the lab them you must come out with new ideas everytime and get results. In University research everything is based on getting grants (funding). Since pretty much every piece of equipment, reagents and so are outrageously expensive, you need lot of cash to operate. To get money you must either obtain grants or get sponsored by a company. That means you must publish a lot of results in good journals. To achieve that, the boss must have constant ideas, solutions and a group of ''slaves'' to run the experiments. All the profs I had to interact with would start to panic when it was time to submit proposal and when the results would be announced.
That means that the poor grad student and assistants need to produce results at all cost. If you are a Ph D student then you must also fight to get a post doc scholarship so you are stuck like the prof and must also produce results at all cost. During my M. Sc. pretty much everyone I knew were doing like 40-50 hours of work in the lab, had a class to teach (this means course elaboration, correction, etc), had classes to attend and articles to read. Most of them would come in the weekend to continue their work. You can get tired pretty fast. Sure there is glory to get but with a price. But I guess if you are only there as an hired hand to make research you can always pile all the work on the lab students.
The publish at all cost sometime means distorting the truth. I will give you organic chemistry examples since I'm not a biologist like I think you are. For example, often in chemistry journals (even the big ones like JACS, JOC, Ang. chem. int.) when you look up a reaction they will say the reaction yielded X % of the desired compound. They will most of the time never give you what are the remaining product the reaction yielded. The chromatographic purification procedure is often unclear on purpose saying stuff like '' a gradient of Solvant A/ Solvant B was used'' and in no way tells you the Rf of the compounds under these conditions. Sometime the reason is that obtained mixture of compound is impossible to purify but they will rarely write so because it wouldn't be able to get published. Spectral analysis( 1H and 13C NMR) are often incomplete because they weren't able to correctly identify each peaks. Sometimes the obtained compounds are so instable that they are completly useless. They will also rarely comment on the experimental procedure unless supplementary materials are required in the publication. Sometimes they will pretend the reaction yieled 95+% of the desired compound after chromatography which is next to impossible in reality. So basically when you have to work with these papers sometime you get a hell of surprise.
Even my boss was guilty of these things. He had received a 500 000$ grant for a 3 year submission. The molecules which he described as revolutionnary building blocks in synthesis were in fact totally useless. They were so unstable they would react with everything and quickly. They were next to impossible to purifiate correctly. You would need to use extreme precaution during chromatography. He tried to do this kind of reaction with a bunch of molecules and in the end he published this work anyway. Nowhere in the article it is mentionned that they are highly unstable, that you need to use precaution when you purify and so on. Some spectras are ''missing'' because all of the molecules have the similar functional group (truth : most of them showed major impurities). The poor guy/gal that will have to deal with this.
As for biological properties of compound sometime the truth is also twisted. Some molecules are gonna be miraculous but only under certain controlled conditions and using a specific test. In my master project I synthesized a bunch of molecules that we wanted to check their efficency to prevent a certain disease. Turns out they were all incredible but only in one biological model of the disease and under controlled condition. I would be incredibly cautious in saying that as a scientist you can change the world.
Overall, getting a research position in a company is much more interesting to me. You still have to help in forming new employees but you don't have to teach classes. It's still competitive in the sense you have to fight to keep your job (duh, pretty much with every job) but there is less pressure on you. Pharmaceuticals company have also better equipments and ressources that makes your work much easier. People are also less competitive between themselves. During my 2 years of M Sc most people were bitching each others and saying each others sucked in chemistry and that they would get the best shcolarship and papers. Everyone were thinking they were like revolutioning the science and the world and stuff like that even if there project were about something tame like creating a bunch of molecules for QSAR/QSPR from bulk MPP+ testing. During my B Sc I worked for 4 months (part of the degree) in a good company and my co workers were much much better. Your pay and your social benefits are also way better in a company. The thing is that getting a research position in a very good company is a bit tricky. But that's another story.
Too long didn't read : There is also another side of the coin about uni research.
DennisK4 said:
fucking enjoyment bro , fuck sitting like an office drone day after day rotting away , i live for the weekend, i live for music, i watch awsome films all day , work out, chat to my friends, eat out, but hey i'm a chilled out got , not a work junkie
:lol :lol :lolDennisK4 said:
So they don't hire internally? And there's no nepotism? No heirs to the throne?Hasphat6462 said:
Is it really that I don't understand these things are different, or is it that they're not very different?
Translation: "He's a research scientist??!?!? FINALLY SOMEONE I CAN TALK TO!!!!!"
I've been out of work for a year after failing my 1st year uni exams. Technically I've been a part-time student in that year but I've just been lazy and living of a large poker win.
Now I have just finished resitting my exams and I know I have failed again, so job hunting has become top priority. I have always avoided claiming jobseekers allowance or any benefits but just out of curiosity I just put my details in to see what I could claim and was surprised to see that I could get £500 a month. I'm definitely going to claim for that as it's enough to keep me going until I find a job, but I'm still very keen to get back into work ASAP.
Now I have just finished resitting my exams and I know I have failed again, so job hunting has become top priority. I have always avoided claiming jobseekers allowance or any benefits but just out of curiosity I just put my details in to see what I could claim and was surprised to see that I could get £500 a month. I'm definitely going to claim for that as it's enough to keep me going until I find a job, but I'm still very keen to get back into work ASAP.
envybianchi
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MPW said:or am i the only one here?
exams finished last month, will get diploma in late june (bachelor of arts, yeah, i know, not the best uni degree to get), so far nothing
nov. i gotta start paying student loan
crap
I've been unemployed for nearly a year & half. Just got hired a few days ago & will be starting the 9th. Keep your head up & keep trying. If you need the money, get a job on the side while looking for your choice job.
Johnlenham
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Ok ima bite thought I think this is relevantKentpaul said:
Believe it or not I also "live for the weekend" I also watch awesome films, I also work out etc etc much like everyone else!
You infact you live a sad life where you will potentially spend the rest of your life living in the same town, going to the same pubs/clubs, seeing the same people and faces you have since god knows when.
Also its pretty funny you seem to think that every job anyone does is office work?
but hey im not sure why im wasting my time as your the one in this situation not me:lol and your a naive 19 yearold. Im just glad my brother your age isnt as stupid as you!
Also just to give you some heads up, the government does not pay for you to live rent free unless your a woman and pregnant. I know this because ive seen men turned away at the job center and told to go to homeless centers after saying how his job seekers is not enough and he cant afford the rent while carrying all his belongings in a black sac.
Hopefully sooner or later you will wake up and realize what a fool you have been and realize all your mates are ripping the piss out of you behind your back for being dole scum:lol
ClosingADoor
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Kentpaul said:
Or you try to find a job you love to do, combine the two
avatar299 said:
Just for shits and giggles I will tell you that my degree is in anthropology, so it is likely I know slightly more about various societies than you would. That shouldn't be offensive. I did spend 4 years of my life studying these things, after all. Modern hunter/gatherer societies spend far less time "working" (hunting and gathering) than we do. But, believe what you will. I'm not here to convince you of anything.
ClosingADoor
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Seth C said:
Sure, but they also died when a storm came by and they lost their crops.
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Yasae said:
These are entry level positions so most if not all candidates are people who just graduated, so no internal hires. Depending on the firm, connections are important (smaller it is, the more you're gonna get noticed, etc). But since most college grads don't come into the workforce with an expansive professional network, they still have to fight tooth an nail for openings.
Pyke Presco
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Employed at the moment (landscaping, been my summer job for the last 4 years of university), but I'm quitting June 14th, which is also the day I graduate from university with a degree in Applied Math and Chemistry. After that I'll be taking up to a month off, but I'm putting in an application with the Canadian Forces to join the air force in the next week or so, and the vacation may be cut short if they call back quickly. Best of luck to everyone still looking for work, keep your chin up and things will fall into place.
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