AP: NFL finds it probable that Patriots deliberately deflated balls

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bionic77 said:
His wins are going to count as much as the wins of Lance Armstrong and the home run records of Barry Bonds and ARod.

Once you are labeled a cheater you no longer have any credibility.

But I agree with your logic that by lying he got to play in the SB. Let's see how fans outside of New England remember that win and the player from now on.
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Most people actually don't give a shit. We have the news playing on all day in my office and most of my coworkers are baffled by this non-story. They think it is probably fine-worthy or something but not really a big deal. The more sports-literate people say something along the lines of "eh, he should be suspended for a game or so and move the fuck on" but most people don't really give a shit. Just a vocal minority of people who probably have some sort of personality disorder.

And no, I don't live live in Boston. I live in LA.
 
Honestly do not give a fuck. If football was only based on skill according to the ball pressure then yeah. But the deflated balls have nothing to do with play calling, route running, catching, tackling or anything so who cares?
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Honestly do not give a fuck. If football was only based on skill according to the ball pressure then yeah. But the deflated balls have nothing to do with play calling, route running, catching, tackling or anything so who cares?
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Actually a softer ball is easier to throw, catch, and hold onto while running to avoid fumbles... so...
 
timetokill said:
Actually a softer ball is easier to throw, catch, and hold onto while running to avoid fumbles... so...
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Seems like some QBs try to get the ball on the softer side, some try to get it on the harder side. Softer you are getting better grip, harder better velocity. Kickers try to pour Gatorade on them, smash in the pointy ends and microwave them.
 
timetokill said:
Actually a softer ball is easier to throw, catch, and hold onto while running to avoid fumbles... so...
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Technically yeah.

But the level of deflation from the balls used against the colts was almost non distinguishable.

I forget where I saw some video of a ball at 12.5 psi and a ball at 10.5 psi, and these dudes went around their office filming their coworkers trying to determine the difference. Most of them couldn't tell a difference. Some guessed wrong. Others guessed right but also mentioned it was incredibly subtle.

Everyone has their own preferences. Aaron Rodgers I believe says he liked them to be as inflated as possible.


It seems "probable" that they let some air out. Messing around with footballs is a seemingly common practice and has been for some time. But it is illegal. Just like getting caught for speeding is illegal but everyone else does it anyway. I just hope its dealt with accordingly. If they give Brady and the Pats punishment thats even more than something like Suh stomping on rodger's ankle then c'mon. You're just giving into the hater witch hunt there. 1-2 suspension at the very improbable MAX. Otherwise slap a fine on it. Hell if such a thing like probation exists do that.

The whole thing is such an overblown clusterfuck and only helps cement all the misinformation people take as fact regarding the Patriots and their history.
 
Sources: Patriots fear lengthy suspension for Brady

No one knows specifically what the Deflategate punishment will be for Tom Brady, but within Gillette Stadium they are bracing for the worst.

Sources with the Patriots I have spoken with tell me they are fearful of a lengthy suspension, perhaps in the six- to eight-game range, for Brady in the aftermath of the Wells Report.
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Lol. I still stand by my prediction, a fine and the loss of a mid round draft pick.
 
LyleLanley said:
Sources: Patriots fear lengthy suspension for Brady



Lol. I still stand by my prediction, a fine and the loss of a mid round draft pick.
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I don't know.You're probably right, but they're not going to be punishing him for the actual ball issue, they're going to be punishing him for a failure to co-operate (despite the language in NFL contracts saying you have to) and misleading the investigation. Not really sure how they can go with a slap on the wrist there without tying themselves in knots else they weaken any future co-operation in other investigations.

I think they might go suspended sentence and forfeit of game checks for 4 games.
 
Why are Pats fans responding to Bionic? If you couldn't tell by now this is his thing. Everyone knows his proposed punishments and legacy destruction don't fit the crime.
 
Here's the thing. Goodell just gave 4 games to a GM for illegal texting. We can all agree deflating a football is worst for the shield than a text?

This is it. This is Tannehills year!


sangreal said:
for deflating? sure. Brady is going to get the book thrown at him for refusing to cooperate (and lying)
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That's another good point!
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
This is it. This is Tannehills year!
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You misspelled Garoppolo.

sangreal said:
for deflating? sure. Brady is going to get the book thrown at him for refusing to cooperate (and lying)
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It's definitely possible but, as someone pointed out on twitter, Favre was "only" fined $50k for not cooperating during his dick pic scandal. I understand these are two different scenarios but I can't see them going too hard after Brady given how flimsy a lot of the accusations seem.
 
It's not like he took steroids or beat his wife, he just tampered with equipment. But what do I know, I'm a hockey fan. An illegal stick is two minutes in the box and everyone moves on.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
After tonight I bet we'll never see Tom Brady on the Daily Show. Jon Stewart went IN on the pretty boy liar
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It wasn't so bad, although he did point out that the report goes as far to say Tom knew, without saying that Tom knew.

As a Patriots fan, no doubt Tom must've known something. Am I upset he lied about it? Not really. He's got plausible deniability, I wouldn't expect him to admit preferring and maybe even requesting the balls be a little under-inflated. The rest of his statements just appear to be him avoiding blame. He doesn't seem to be a good liar, which I guess is kind of good? The lying does bother me a little more than the actual act of deflating the balls, I want to see the team blame a loss because the opponents ball was inflated to 12.1 lbs vs. 12.5, but, again, I wouldn't expect the truth right away. Especially with the circumstances that perpetuated the investigation. One ball was deflated to I between 10 and 11psi, but it seems he likes the balls just below 12.5? If he likes the ball so close to regulation then how, really, did the opponent figure this out?
 
I didnt really care about this or suspending brady until i read how theyve handled it, especially his agent Yee just trying to throw shade and acting like its an actual conspiracy.

I work next to a guy too who just cant let it go. He cares more about defending the pats honor than anyone in the whole office does about football.

Now i wanna see him suspended for a year just to watch the meltdown.
 
Dr.Acula said:
It's not like he took steroids or beat his wife, he just tampered with equipment. But what do I know, I'm a hockey fan. An illegal stick is two minutes in the box and everyone moves on.
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But this is the Patriots so all of the bitter defeated rivals are making this out to be murder.
 
Roger Goodell has to do something strong for a number of reasons.

Brady AND the Patriots have NOT cooperated with the investigation. Brady refused to turn over his phone text records and the Patriots initially refused to allow the name of a certain locker room employee to be attached to any statements he may or may not have made during the investigation.

So, right there, the commissioner has grounds for punishment.

Now, according to the texts from the locker room guys who were identified, Brady not only knew about it, he was compensating them for doing it with autographed sports memorabilia.

Whether or not the deflated balls affected the outcome of games is 100% meaningless, so far as the investigation goes - what matters is that there was a clear and deliberate effort made to break the rules and to conceal it. That is all you need to hand down stiff punishment to Tom Brady.

As for the effect on the outcome of games, well... that's a whole other slippery slope the NFL probably won't even confront. They'll "spygate" the whole thing and burn the evidence after they fine/suspend Brady to make it all "go away".
 
So... I think that if we don't hear an official statement from the NFL regarding punishment in the next hour or so, we'll have to wait until Monday (at least).

Does that sound about right?
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
Here's the thing. Goodell just gave 4 games to a GM for illegal texting. We can all agree deflating a football is worst for the shield than a text?

This is it. This is Tannehills year!



That's another good point!
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I'd say the texts are worse. Not to mention the NFL proved those happen where with Brady they're going to be punishing a theory.

In the end I think they need to fine the team not any player.
 
Brady sealed his fate when he gave that sham of a press conference after the story originally broke. After that, if they found anything connecting him to the deflation of the balls, his ass was getting nailed to the wall. No one to blame but himself for being a cheat and a liar.
 
Netherscourge said:
Now, according to the texts from the locker room guys who were identified, Brady not only knew about it, he was compensating them for doing it with autographed sports memorabilia.
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I hear this is quiet common, i.e. QB's giving out gifts. I personally felt that report was really stretching to try and make the link that Brady was "paying" the 2 guys off.
 
Anyone who thinks he isn't guilty after those comments that he needed to "digest" the report before commenting are just dense. No one innocent would say that. He really botched this by lying in the first place.
 
Quotient said:
I hear this is quiet common, i.e. QB's giving out gifts. I personally felt that report was really stretching to try and make the link that Brady was "paying" the 2 guys off.
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Here are some excerpts:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...suggest-tom-brady-had-knowledge-of-deflating/

The messages between Jim McNally [the officials locker room attendant] and John Jastremski [a Patriots equipment assistant] show a level of detail and planning that indicates this wasn’t a random, or one-time occurrence.

The first exchange was after an Oct. 17, 2014 game against the Jets when Brady complained about the pressure of the balls.

Jastremski wrote “Tom sucks. im going make that next ball a f—in balloon.”

McNally replied: “Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…”

McNally, apparently not a fan of Brady’s (or at least his level of attention of air pressure) made several references to pumping the balls up to “watermleon” or “rugby” size, since Brady preferred softer ones for better control.

Prior to the next game, McNally wrote: “The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating.”

There was then a discussion of McNally receiving free shoes and gear, and prior to the Jan. 10 game against the Ravens, the two of them were in the equipment room with Brady when McNally “received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained.”

McNally later referred to himself as “the deflator,” and chided Jastremski by saying “im not going to espn……..yet.”

Those exchanges make it hard to imagine Brady had no knowledge of what’s going on, which he’ll need to answer for later.
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Netherscourge said:
Here are some excerpts:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...suggest-tom-brady-had-knowledge-of-deflating/
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I think you guys misunderstood me. I'm not talking about the text messages, i am referring to the idea that the gifts were payment for services. I think that aspect of the report was really attempting to draw a link between giving gifts and a bribe/quiet-money.

No doubt their are some text messages that bring up serious questions, but to me the most damming aspect of the report was the nickname of "deflator" that one of the guys had.

Mike Reiss of ESPN Boston gives a much better explanation of why i think the signed ball, shoes is a "weak link":

In building their case against the Patriots and Tom Brady, the Wells report focused in part on autographs/memorabilia that Brady provided McNally. It was framed in the context that he was giving him things in exchange for a favor. I personally find that hard to believe -- or should I say "more not than probable." First, Brady has been extremely generous with many Patriots staffers in this area over the last 14-15 years; it is also widely understood in NFL circles that equipment managers work at extremely low wages and it is commonplace for quarterbacks/players to tip them and/or provide them with things as a show of appreciation (in addition to others in similar roles). Thus, I rejected the Wells report framing Brady's autographs/memorabilia as anything outside of normal procedure, and it made me question whether the investigators understood the workplace they were investigating.
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hom3land said:
How can one determine the tone in those texts? Because I read it as coworkers bullshitting and giving each other a hard time.
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Well, if Tom Brady turned over his text conversations between himself and these two guys, we would probably know for sure.

But he refused to.

So, now we speculate.

Court of Public Opinion = guilty until proven innocent.
 
Netherscourge said:
Well, if Tom Brady turned over his text conversations between himself and these two guys, we would probably know for sure.

But he refused to.

So, now we speculate.
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They have the text messages between Tom and those 2 guys, they don't have any other communication Tom may have had with others.
 
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