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irfaanator said:
remember when ppl booed killer instinct at evo. classic
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They were booing the announcement at EVO 2013 that it's exclusive on XB1. This was still around the time everyone was pissed off at MS for the always online bullshit.

When it was actually being played in 2014, it was fine.
 
Pappasman said:
In terms of netplay you should also link Anther's Ladder site. Its a good place to find matches with other people in every smash game. There are links on that site to netplay guides for Melee, 64, and PM. It would also be cool to link to the 20XX hack pack. This is probably the most common mod to melee and makes playing/training/messing around for fun a lot better.

M2K's Marth is a thing of beauty
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Personally, I'm not a fan of drudging up the "OT" (Main Post) with a bit *too* much of fanmade compilations and weird stuff and keep it to the the direct things people can use to reference and learn about the game with maybe one or two of those personal touches, which is why I separated some stuff in my post as well, that said, I completely forgot about that M2K montage (in the midst of the hundreds of normal M2K ones) and that ones is elegant and shows the strict class within melee would be definitely down to throw that in.
 
Videoneon said:
Not sure if you'll see this but...



A Peach lover! yassss

The goddess needs more love =(

I can't recommend to you individual matches, but here are a couple of Peach players in sm4sh you should check out

Dark.Pch
Pink Fresh (sometimes plays Pit also)

Also check out this channel on Youtube for some Peach combo vids.

Dark.Pch also has a Youtube channel with various insight on Peach gameplay.
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Thanks. I checked out Dark.Pch tutorials and it was really good, I need to watch them over and over again. And I watched that combo video, still waiting for part 2. He's the only player I know who has a good peach in smash 4.
 
Photos are up: http://gallery.rmpaul.com/Esports/Apex-2015

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Man, anecdotal evidence around me suggests Melee hype is even higher than I imagined. PM exclusive players are starting to play Melee and friends of mine are saying "If Melee HD came out, I'd start playing it," when they originally couldn't care less for Melee. The CRT is a big issue for them.

Professor Beef said:
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lmao
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So good, makes me love Leffen and the drama so much more.
 
Melee HD is never going to exist. Is it just wishful thinking or are some people actually really hoping that's going to happen and believe it's a possibility?
 
I honestly think that people just need to set their sites lower and pray that a straight Melee release to the Wii U eShop happens. You know, just the pure GameCube version that boots into Wii mode ala the latest Wii releases.
 
I think it's counter-intuitive to re-release Melee in any form, either "Melee HD" or just an eShop Wii mode version. They would rather just sell the new Smash game.

Then again, I thought the 3DS version was counter-intuitive too, but I guess at the time they wouldn't have realized how bad of an idea it was to diminish Smash U's system-selling potential.
 
chaosblade said:
I think it's counter-intuitive to re-release Melee in any form, either "Melee HD" or just an eShop Wii mode version. They would rather just sell the new Smash game.

Then again, I thought the 3DS version was counter-intuitive too, but I guess at the time they wouldn't have realized how bad of an idea it was to diminish Smash U's system-selling potential.
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They released Smash 64 on Wii VC during Brawl's lifespan, no? It's not impossible.
 
chaosblade said:
I think it's counter-intuitive to re-release Melee in any form, either "Melee HD" or just an eShop Wii mode version. They would rather just sell the new Smash game.

Then again, I thought the 3DS version was counter-intuitive too, but I guess at the time they wouldn't have realized how bad of an idea it was to diminish Smash U's system-selling potential.
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3ds version is already near 7 million alone. Nintendo understood what they were doing.
 
chaosblade said:
I think it's counter-intuitive to re-release Melee in any form, either "Melee HD" or just an eShop Wii mode version. They would rather just sell the new Smash game.

Then again, I thought the 3DS version was counter-intuitive too, but I guess at the time they wouldn't have realized how bad of an idea it was to diminish Smash U's system-selling potential.
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People keep this meme going of "nintendo just wants to sell the latest one" when they sold Smash 64 during Brawl's run. And at the time, Melee worked on the Wii with no modifications. The Wii didn't have the ability or space to digitally sell GameCube titles, anyway.

They've just added the ability for them to sell Wii titles digitally, so we almost assume Brawl will be sold via that, and if they ever get around to GameCube VC, we'll see Melee via that too.
 
True they could always release a straight port of the GameCube version but I think it can be argued Melee is more of a problem now (not so when the Wii released) then Smash 64 and Brawl if Nintendo is serious about making the franchise work in places like Evo, etc (now that they've been shown the positives related here) and to focus all attention on newer entries going forward. What happen at Apex is an example of that to a degree by how some people want Melee and only Melee and screw everything else. To give Melee a new lease on life by making it even easier to be played undermines what they want to do in the future I think. In the end Nintendo kinda just needs to run out the clock in a manner of speaking in regard to it. GameCubes and CRTs are finite. Eventually they'll stop working an will be harder to find or cost of replacing and fixing them will be to high. The time and cost to transport them could reach a limit as well. Then there are the Wii systems which to would need to be repaired. I'm assuming Melee is better played on the Cube then the Wii right? Or do people use the Wii as well since it can use GameCube controllers? Eventually the disc drive will fail in those as well.

I do wonder if the release of the tournament features in Smash 4 will have any impact? Given what we've seen about it in the direct? Has anyone, anywhere, given any thoughts on how can be used from the little we know about them?
 
FyreWulff said:
People keep this meme going of "nintendo just wants to sell the latest one" when they sold Smash 64 during Brawl's run. And at the time, Melee worked on the Wii with no modifications. The Wii didn't have the ability or space to digitally sell GameCube titles, anyway.

They've just added the ability for them to sell Wii titles digitally, so we almost assume Brawl will be sold via that, and if they ever get around to GameCube VC, we'll see Melee via that too.
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A theory isn't a meme.

I don't think a virtual console release is quite the same thing at this point. Smash Bros 64 being put on the VC wasn't really a big deal because it wasn't a "special occasion," it was just one of many classic games being released.

If Melee HD were to come out, it would clearly be a bigger deal and detract from the newer game. Likewise, Nintendo has shown zero interest in downloadable GC games (if anything, Metroid Prime Trilogy would indicate they don't intend to put up GC games, otherwise they would have sold them individually). Maybe that won't be the case and Melee might end up being one of many GC games getting put on the eShop, but as it is Melee being sold again would be a much bigger deal than Smash 64 on the VC. It would draw a lot more attention to itself and away from Smash 4 than Smash 64 did from Brawl.

This is also completely disregarding the fact Smash 64 has never had a big following like Melee has built up over the years.


Effect said:
I do wonder if the release of the tournament features in Smash 4 will have any impact? Given what we've seen about it in the direct? Has anyone, anywhere, given any thoughts on how can be used from the little we know about them?
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I'm pretty sure the tournament mode is the same thing that was in previous iterations. It just generates a bracket. It won't make any difference in the actual competitive scene where they run their own brackets. I don't even remember what the player limits on that were, could you even play it without the thing mostly being full of CPUs?

The other feature (tourneys) just looked like online rooms similar to Mario Kart communities.

And Melee is fine on Wii. The local Smash group doesn't use any Cubes, just Wiis for both PM and Melee.
 
Welp, my DS4 controller just became unplayable for my PC games (specifically Smash) with the L2 Trigger sometimes getting stuck halfway and cause me to permashield and roll. Won't be able to do shit about it or practice unless Nintendo restocks on Adapters or i decide to buy a 25+ dollar raphnet that only supports ONE controller GC->PC
 
BeatResetsTheWorld said:
Melee fans once again proving themselves to be class acts...
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While those chants are in poor taste, I don't know if this kind of post is helpful either. As someone who is a lifelong Smash fan but not an avid follower of the scene, I find this whole thing disheartening. I've been perusing /r/Smashbros a bit since Apex, and the animosity among the different factions strikes me -- admittedly an outsider -- as unnecessary. As someone who just likes Smash, I'd like to see less of the in-fighting among the different titles. I like Smash 4 AND I like Melee. And sometimes I feel like that's sacrilege, and I don't know why.
 
I could see Nintendo making Melee available in the eshop as a gamecube title, but probably not a full HD remake with netplay. Melee playable through eshop on WiiU would allow people to ditch crts, etc, unless there is some noticeable input lag with the emulation of Melee..
 
xezuru said:
Welp, my DS4 controller just became unplayable for my PC games (specifically Smash) with the L2 Trigger sometimes getting stuck halfway and cause me to permashield and roll. Won't be able to do shit about it or practice unless Nintendo restocks on Adapters or i decide to buy a 25+ dollar raphnet that only supports ONE controller GC->PC
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I'm using the "3-in-1 Magic Joy Box" (sounds silly but it works). It's an adapter for Gamecube, PS/PS2 and XBOX controllers. Definitely works for the first one, have a different one for my DS2...and XBOX, well, not that I would ever play such games with such a controller. Price, converted, should be around $20.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
While those chants are in poor taste, I don't know if this kind of post is helpful either.
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Yeah, as a person who was on the Melee side of wanting it to be on stream at Finals time, the main problem of this was that occurances happened to make all the games late, we know that, but information on Melee, when it would be shown, if the venue was going to kick them out like the day before, and if it would make it by the time, was not present at all. Noone was updated, not even the attendees, as Scar puts in his post. In the end, my point personally was just that, Melee had to be finished on some stream somewhere, period, if the venue was really gonna kick them out; but on the conversation about chanting against Zero even after he earned that win, that's pure disgusting, just as disgusting as the the same amount of Fuck Smash4 and Fuck Melee we saw in these boards, equally toxic trying to condemn a whole community or persons, helps noone.

Lucumo said:
I'm using the "3-in-1 Magic Joy Box" (sounds silly but it works). It's an adapter for Gamecube, PS/PS2 and XBOX controllers. Definitely works for the first one, have a different one for my DS2...and XBOX, well, not that I would ever play such games with such a controller. Price, converted, should be around $20.
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Thanks but ehhh, I'll look into it, but I'm pretty strong minded when it comes to what adapters and how much input delay they could cause.
 
Effect said:
Melee HD is never going to exist. Is it just wishful thinking or are some people actually really hoping that's going to happen and believe it's a possibility?
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Seriously though, I don't think Nintendo can ignore the numbers. Plenty of people use Wiis and run Melee off of SD cards. Discs won't be an issue, Melee will be around for a LONG time.

As far as I can tell Melee and Smash 4 will have a bigger numbers gap between them at EVO 2015 so I don't see Nintendo ignoring that. Once Splatoon is released I'm guessing wait 1-3 months and Melee on VC or Melee HD will be announced. I'm guessing Melee will have between 300-500 more entrants at EVO and between 30,000-60,000 more viewers than Smash 4.

Not a negative thing for Smash 4 since it will have VERY respectable numbers, myself included since I'll be competing in both, but once Nintendo has a new game to rally behind Smashers will focus on what they like playing most and so far that's Melee. Nintendo won't have the need then to keep fighting it so they would be silly not to reap the benefits.

However if 20XX actually happens I give Melee about another 2 maybe 3 years.
 
The most you can hope for is a future Gamecube Virtual Console release of SSBM (which, IMO, makes way more sense than the existing Wii digital releases in the first place). Anything more than that is an internet forum pipedream.
 
Daouzin said:
However if 20XX actually happens I give Melee about another 2 maybe 3 years.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about this in my other large post in this thread.

I agree. If the game gets reduced to Fox then this game is toast. I remember reading a stray Siliconera article (I think it was EVO 2015 Lineup announcement) and someone commented that they didn't understand why Melee is being featured because it's a stagnant game, referenced Fox and the community 2013 tier list. Imagine that becoming even more widespread among casual viewers, and keep in mind Fox's technical barrier being punishing for newcomers.

The unfortunate thing is the "reactionary" part of some players cannot be underestimated. After Armada's "condemning" of Peach, couple of Peach players from levels high (MacD) to mid and low considered dropping her.

Overreactions are one thing, but character diversity is a valid concern because it creates more mixed viewing experiences.

The worst thing about 20XX is just people buying into Hax's bullshit. Armada goes on a losing streak against Leffen and calls it quits. Hax maybe should've just never been a Falcon player in the first place - the things he like about Fox are speed and aggression and it's harder for Falcon to do the latter in the current meta. It would just generally be helpful if new and high level players didn't preemptively think about such and such character's viability - it's exactly the line of thinking that helped Armada win tournaments with Peach in the past. You guys aren't playing mid-tiers...

edit2: oh what was that tier list earlier? Yeah, Marth is second.
 
Finally finished watching the Wii U finals. Overall I though the tournament was great aside from the Rosalina vs Pacman fights, which was understandable considering those character traits. I have the impression this game will become more match-up dependent the more it matures.

It was obvious Zero was gonna win it and I'm sad to hear his victory was spoiled by a few idiots.
 
Daouzin said:
I'm not sure if this was posted, but here's a Kotaku write up regarding the APEX Zero situation, apparently it was worse than I thought.

http://kotaku.com/theres-a-rift-at-the-heart-of-the-smash-bros-scene-1683770830
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This is absolutely disgusting. I actually feel pretty bad for Zero.

Not all Melee fans are like this but it is overwhelming and hurting the community as a whole. Nintendo is finally supporting the Smash community and they act like this. Not a good look at all.
 
you guys don't even know the meta

20XX is the all fox dystopia, and that might start sometime soon

30XX is the new rage. all the fox players from 20XX can no longer play the game due to their hands literally melting off from playing fox consistently at the top level. ironically, hax is the first casualty. fox drops off the tier list entirely, since no human can control him without eventually being forced to retire from the game.

character diversity returns to the game, and the diamond era of melee begins
 
Daouzin said:
I'm not sure if this was posted, but here's a Kotaku write up regarding the APEX Zero situation, apparently it was worse than I thought.

http://kotaku.com/theres-a-rift-at-the-heart-of-the-smash-bros-scene-1683770830
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It is bad, but many of us are trying to help.

I've been working hard gathering a lot of feedback about Apex. If you watched, attended, or want to learn more about Apex 2015, check out this page. Consider taking the survey.

http://smash.menu/apex.html

I never want to leave my GAF brothers and sisters out of the conversation.
 
KirbyKid said:


It is bad, but many of us are trying to help.

I've been working hard gathering a lot of feedback about Apex. If you watched, attended, or want to learn more about Apex 2015, check out this page. Consider taking the survey.

http://smash.menu/apex.html

I never want to leave my GAF brothers and sisters out of the conversation.
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Awesome, doesn't seem mobile friendly so I'll have to check it out later. Thanks for sharing the link. Should probably be somewhere in the New Melee thread.
 
Daouzin said:
Awesome, doesn't seem mobile friendly so I'll have to check it out later. Thanks for sharing the link. Should probably be somewhere in the New Melee thread.
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Yeah. Not mobile friendly yet. That will come when we overhaul the site.

I'll do what I can to share the info. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
KirbyKid said:
Yeah. Not mobile friendly yet. That will come when we overhaul the site.

I'll do what I can to share the info. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Maybe you can put your tech of the week videos up here. Outside of the matches, they're my favorite part of the Smash 4 streams on Tourney Locator.
 
In terms of the meta-drama going on right now within the Smash community, apparently VGBootCamp is no longer streaming Project M. That seems to be causing some commotion out there.
 
UltraClarity said:
Maybe you can put your tech of the week videos up here. Outside of the matches, they're my favorite part of the Smash 4 streams on Tourney Locator.
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Great idea.

We'll be ramping up quality and production pretty soon. It's crazy how much stuff is going through my head.

I want to buy a capture card. Any recommendations. For the Black Magic I have to figure out if my mother board is compatible. That's a bit of ahead ache.
 
Daouzin said:
Should probably be somewhere in the New Melee thread.
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Isn't specifically Melee though and seems more like a general discussion thing. So it's either for a general Smash thread or a separate one. Add to that, I would want to keep all the negativity away from the OT. It's already bad enough everywhere else where people are either completely on this side or completely on the other side and are spreading some misinformation/presenting skewed views.
 
Anth0ny said:
you guys don't even know the meta

20XX is the all fox dystopia, and that might start sometime soon

30XX is the new rage. all the fox players from 20XX can no longer play the game due to their hands literally melting off from playing fox consistently at the top level. ironically, hax is the first casualty. fox drops off the tier list entirely, since no human can control him without eventually being forced to retire from the game.

character diversity returns to the game, and the diamond era of melee begins
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In order for 30XX to be a reality, the Tip Wars of 25XX have to happen to dissuade all space animal mains. The devoted few left afterward that triumph will only have a shallow victory as hand melting takes its toll on them. :P
 
Lucumo said:
Isn't specifically Melee though and seems more like a general discussion thing. So it's either for a general Smash thread or a separate one. Add to that, I would want to keep all the negativity away from the OT. It's already bad enough everywhere else where people are either completely on this side or completely on the other side and are spreading some misinformation/presenting skewed views.
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I was thinking it would be at the end of the thread like, "Here's more info regarding the climate of the Smash community as a whole: LINK" (sort of thing.)

I see what you mean though.
 
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