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Apple iPhone 6S |OT|

Will I be able to get on the apple upgrade program while on ATT NEXT and get a new 6S+, then sell my old 6+ and pay off the NEXT payments?

Also, if I buy the Verizon unlocked phone with apple upgrade can I use it with my ATT account and later in 6 months or so, being it to Verizon to start a new plan?
 
Will I be able to get on the apple upgrade program while on ATT NEXT and get a new 6S+, then sell my old 6+ and pay off the NEXT payments?

Also, if I buy the Verizon unlocked phone with apple upgrade can I use it with my ATT account and later in 6 months or so, being it to Verizon to start a new plan?

1. Should be able to

2. Yes, the Verizon phone has all the correct bands to work on AT&T. Time will tell though if Apple will let you buy a Verizon unlocked phone without using a Verizon account to activate it, though. That's what we're all currently trying to figure out
 

Squalor

Junior Member
Will I be able to get on the apple upgrade program while on ATT NEXT and get a new 6S+, then sell my old 6+ and pay off the NEXT payments?

Also, if I buy the Verizon unlocked phone with apple upgrade can I use it with my ATT account and later in 6 months or so, being it to Verizon to start a new plan?
Actually, since Apple states:
Apple (Regarding Upgrade Program) said:
Requires a 24-month installment agreement.
That would seem to mean that you need to sign a plan. I don't think you want to pay two plans at the same time.
 

Fletcher

Member
So my understanding is that at 12:01 tonight, being a pre-existing TMobile JoD user, can call them and put my name down for the phone? Is it just TMobile customer service?
 
Actually, since Apple states:

That would seem to mean that you need to sign a plan. I don't think you want to pay two plans at the same time.

At that point you're signing a plan with Apple, though. Any carrier plan shouldn't matter. So even if someone isn't eligible for an upgrade through their carrier yet, either because of a 2 year contract or a current device payment plan, they could still sign up through Apple's program

(For the record, this is what I plan on doing. I still have $170 left on my AT&T Next plan before I can turn it into them and be free of the contract. So what I'm doing is upgrading with Apple's new plan, set up the new phone when I get it, pay AT&T the $170 and give them my 6+ to be free of that contract, then move to T-Mobile now that I have a 6S+ that I'm paying Apple for)
 

Squalor

Junior Member
At that point you're signing a plan with Apple, though. Any carrier plan shouldn't matter. So even if someone isn't eligible for an upgrade through their carrier yet, either because of a 2 year contract or a current device payment plan, they could still sign up through Apple's program

(For the record, this is what I plan on doing. I still have $170 left on my AT&T Next plan before I can turn it into them and be free of the contract. So what I'm doing is upgrading with Apple's new plan, set up the new phone when I get it, pay AT&T the $170 and give them my 6+ to be free of that contract, then move to T-Mobile now that I have a 6S+ that I'm paying Apple for)
Except the fine print on Apple's website states that carrier upgrade fees still apply should one's carrier have an upgrade fee.

Apple is still a little more beholden to carriers than it would at first sight seem.
 
Is it true that you can't buy a 2-year subsidized iPhone from Best Buy or other third-party retailers? On Apple's site they only list NEXT and no-contract pricing, so I went to Best Buy (where I want to buy it anyway so I can get points) and it's the same thing. But when I go to AT&T's site the option is available. I didn't have this issue when I bought the 6 last year.
 
Except the fine print on Apple's website states that carrier upgrade fees still apply should one's carrier have an upgrade fee.

Apple is still a little more beholden to carriers than it would at first sight seem.

Hmm.... But wouldn't I be able to "upgrade" by buying it outright, and finance that amount through the iPhone Upgrade Program? Though if not, the Apple Store does have the ability to pay off remaining amounts from carriers. So if my plan doesn't work, I can pay off the $170 at the Apple Store through their system and they'll give me an envelope to ship my 6+ back to AT&T. Hopefully I can delay the shipping, though, cause I can't be without a phone for however long

Is it true that you can't buy a 2-year subsidized iPhone from Best Buy or other third-party retailers? On Apple's site they only list NEXT and no-contract pricing, so I went to Best Buy (where I want to buy it anyway so I can get points) and it's the same thing. But when I go to AT&T's site the option is available. I didn't have this issue when I bought the 6 last year.

Yes that is true. With AT&T the ONLY way to get a 2 year subsidized contract now is on their website, nowhere else
 

Hige

Member
I can't decide whether to go with the 6S or 6S+, I feel like I'm going to have buyer's remorse either way.

Do I want that one-handedness or dat battery life? The other stuff (OIS, 1080p) isn't as much of a deciding factor for me.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
Update from that PC Mag link:

Updated 9/11/15: The plot thickens. According to analyst Tin Nguyen, FCC documents show that AT&T's A1633 model of the iPhone 6S does have a CDMA radio, but Apple's spec sheets (on all its global Web sites) show that it doesn't, and carriers are pointing me to Apple for comment on the issue. I will continue to update as I hear back from Apple.
 

Juice

Member
Boy it's really nice being on T-Mobile. Buy from Apple at full price, always unlocked, pop in SIM, good to go. Sell last year's model for $500. Pay $300 a year for a new phone.
 
Update from that PC Mag link:

Updated 9/11/15: The plot thickens. According to analyst Tin Nguyen, FCC documents show that AT&T's A1633 model of the iPhone 6S does have a CDMA radio, but Apple's spec sheets (on all its global Web sites) show that it doesn't, and carriers are pointing me to Apple for comment on the issue. I will continue to update as I hear back from Apple.

The baseband can have a CDMA radio built into in but not enabled. You need to have it wired to a port on the RF front end for it to work. Just like the Wifi chipset probably has an FM radio built into it but it's not wired to a front end or antenna.
 

Sean

Banned
Can someone please help me out here and explain things in layman's terms cause I've been researching this stuff for hours and the more I read the more I get confused. I'm on AT&T in a family plan with my parents (3 phone lines total); it's the standard two-year contract and not the newer AT&T Next plans. Both of my parents lines are eligible for upgrades right now but my personal line isn't eligible until next year - but I still want to upgrade my device.

Basically I want to upgrade my 6 to the 6S without screwing anything up or changing our AT&T family plan contract (we have some kind of grandfathered promotion where we get double the shared data and I don't want to lose this obviously).

My understanding is that Apple's new upgrade program is the best way to do this? So basically at midnight I'll be pre-ordering/paying Apple $36.58 (per month) for an unlocked 64GB iPhone 6S, and then when I get it on September 25th I'll just put the SIM card from my current iPhone 6 in it and restore from iCloud backup and be ready to go? And then I could pass my current phone down to one of my parents using the same method (swap sim card + restore), all with no changes to our current AT&T plan? Is this correct?
 
Yes that is true. With AT&T the ONLY way to get a 2 year subsidized contract now is on their website, nowhere else

Ugh, when did that start? So annoying, I'd save $34 going through Best Buy, and the purchase would guarantee me another year of Elite!

I can't decide whether to go with the 6S or 6S+, I feel like I'm going to have buyer's remorse either way.

Do I want that one-handedness or dat battery life? The other stuff (OIS, 1080p) isn't as much of a deciding factor for me.

I'd go with the 6s+. I posted my experience with it a page or two back. Took a day to get used to but now I'd never use anything else. The 6s isn't really a one-handed device either, and the 6s+ has every other advantage. The 1080p screen makes a huge difference--it's readable in direct sunlight, which is awesome.
 
Can someone please help me out here and explain things in layman's terms cause I've been researching this stuff for hours and the more I read the more I get confused. I'm on AT&T in a family plan with my parents (3 phone lines total); it's the standard two-year contract and not the newer AT&T Next plans. Both of my parents lines are eligible for upgrades right now but my personal line isn't eligible until next year - but I still want to upgrade my device.

Basically I want to upgrade my 6 to the 6S without screwing anything up or changing our AT&T family plan contract (we have some kind of grandfathered promotion where we get double the shared data and I don't want to lose this obviously).

My understanding is that Apple's new upgrade program is the best way to do this? So basically at midnight I'll be pre-ordering/paying Apple $36.58 (per month) for an unlocked 64GB iPhone 6S, and then when I get it on September 25th I'll just put the SIM card from my current iPhone 6 in it and restore from iCloud backup and be ready to go? And then I could pass my current phone down to one of my parents using the same method (swap sim card + restore), all with no changes to our current AT&T plan? Is this correct?
If one of your parents don't want to use their upgrade it could be transferred to your line or you may be able to do an early upgrade which is the price of the phone plus a $250 penalty and then you'd sign another contract. This will be more expensive than using Apple's payment program assuming you want to upgrade every 12 months ($439 vs $600), but if you stick with the Apple plan until the phone is paid off the price would be nearly the same.
 

Kibbles

Member
Boy it's really nice being on T-Mobile. Buy from Apple at full price, always unlocked, pop in SIM, good to go. Sell last year's model for $500. Pay $300 a year for a new phone.
Can't AT&T use T-Mobile phones too? Or is there something I would have to do
 

Xcellere

Member
The best option is to use their eligibility. When you order the phone online, AT&T gives you the option to use other line's eligibility. It's actually really simple.

Can someone please help me out here and explain things in layman's terms cause I've been researching this stuff for hours and the more I read the more I get confused. I'm on AT&T in a family plan with my parents (3 phone lines total); it's the standard two-year contract and not the newer AT&T Next plans. Both of my parents lines are eligible for upgrades right now but my personal line isn't eligible until next year - but I still want to upgrade my device.

Basically I want to upgrade my 6 to the 6S without screwing anything up or changing our AT&T family plan contract (we have some kind of grandfathered promotion where we get double the shared data and I don't want to lose this obviously).

My understanding is that Apple's new upgrade program is the best way to do this? So basically at midnight I'll be pre-ordering/paying Apple $36.58 (per month) for an unlocked 64GB iPhone 6S, and then when I get it on September 25th I'll just put the SIM card from my current iPhone 6 in it and restore from iCloud backup and be ready to go? And then I could pass my current phone down to one of my parents using the same method (swap sim card + restore), all with no changes to our current AT&T plan? Is this correct?
 
I'm gonna be really curious to read the full reviews of this. I think the 3D Touch stuff could make a *really* big difference in terms of the usability of these phones for power users (and may enable a few new app categories). I'm especially excited to see how it integrates with automator apps like Workflow and the IFTTT suite, or with HomeKit stuff.

I wonder how long 3D Touch will take to get to the iPad.
 

nicoga3000

Saint Nic
Can someone help me understand the three tiers of next on AT&T? Trying to figure out what to get my wife but we don't know what this next shit is.
 
Can someone help me understand the three tiers of next on AT&T? Trying to figure out what to get my wife but we don't know what this next shit is.
Basically AT&T NEXT adds a monthly device payment for the phone you pick. The NEXT 24 plan means that after making 24 monthly payments you can trade in the phone to them and get a new one or you can continue paying it off until 30 months after of which you'll own it. The sooner plans cost more per monthly but mean you can trade in and upgrade sooner.

Word to the wise though that if you end up taking the NEXT 12 month plan it'll be cheaper going the Apple financing route.
 
Can someone help me understand the three tiers of next on AT&T? Trying to figure out what to get my wife but we don't know what this next shit is.

It's just financing options. You can choose between 12, 18, 24, or 30 months depending on your credit rating. It splits the total cost of the phone among your payment plan period, and adds it directly to your bill each month.
 
Can someone help me understand the three tiers of next on AT&T? Trying to figure out what to get my wife but we don't know what this next shit is.

Cheapest tier lets you upgrade in 2 years, most expensive tier lets you upgrade in a year. Middle tier is 18 months I think. So 12/18/24. Total cost if you don't upgrade early is the same for all three plans.
 

Sean

Banned
The best option is to use their eligibility. When you order the phone online, AT&T gives you the option to use other line's eligibility. It's actually really simple.

If one of your parents don't want to use their upgrade it could be transferred to your line or you may be able to do an early upgrade which is the price of the phone plus a $250 penalty and then you'd sign another contract. This will be more expensive than using Apple's payment program assuming you want to upgrade every 12 months ($439 vs $600), but if you stick with the Apple plan until the phone is paid off the price would be nearly the same.

This is what I used to do in the past (I'd always use one of my parents available upgrades so I could have the latest iPhone every year) but I was under the impression that this is no longer possible as AT&T got rid of their 2-year contracts and I'd have to change over to AT&T Next or something. Maybe I misunderstood that?

I do plan to upgrade my iPhone every year though, and I've always purchased all my phones from the Apple store, so it seems that Apple's upgrade program is probably my best (or only) option here?
 
Can someone help me understand the three tiers of next on AT&T? Trying to figure out what to get my wife but we don't know what this next shit is.

It's a phone payment plan. So instead of paying either a subsidized price or the full price up front, they divide it up over X number of months, no interest, and add it onto your bill

Next 12 splits the phone into 20 payments. After 12 months you can turn the phone into AT&T and be free to upgrade, or after 20 months you own the phone

Next 18 splits it up into 24 payments. Turn in at 18 months or pay to 24 and keep it

Next 24 splits it up into 30 payments. Turn in at 24 months or pay to 30 and keep it

This is for the phone itself, doesn't affect your data plan at all if you don't want it to. Though if you're not on a Mobile Share Value plan you're not really getting any benefits (lower like access fee)
 
If one of your parents don't want to use their upgrade it could be transferred to your line or you may be able to do an early upgrade which is the price of the phone plus a $250 penalty and then you'd sign another contract. This will be more expensive than using Apple's payment program assuming you want to upgrade every 12 months ($439 vs $600), but if you stick with the Apple plan until the phone is paid off the price would be nearly the same.

Sinxe when is there a penalty? I used a family member's uograde last year after one year and didn't pay a penalty.
 
This is what I used to do in the past (I'd always use one of my parents available upgrades so I could have the latest iPhone every year) but I was under the impression that this is no longer possible as AT&T got rid of their 2-year contracts and I'd have to change over to AT&T Next or something. Maybe I misunderstood that?

I do plan to upgrade my iPhone every year though, and I've always purchased all my phones from the Apple store, so it seems that Apple's upgrade program is probably my best (or only) option here?
Contracts are only gone for third-party retailers and in-store orders. You can still get one but you have to order online at AT&T's website. That being said if you are upgrading every year then Apple's plan will be the better deal.

Sinxe when is there a penalty? I used a family member's uograde last year after one year and didn't pay a penalty.
I said there's a penalty for an early upgrade not for using a family members upgrade.
 

Xcellere

Member
This is what I used to do in the past (I'd always use one of my parents available upgrades so I could have the latest iPhone every year) but I was under the impression that this is no longer possible as AT&T got rid of their 2-year contracts and I'd have to change over to AT&T Next or something. Maybe I misunderstood that?

I do plan to upgrade my iPhone every year though, and I've always purchased all my phones from the Apple store, so it seems that Apple's upgrade program is probably my best (or only) option here?

It's still possible to get the 2 year contract on their web site and use another line's upgrade eligibility. You should do a test run of a phone purchase just to see how it works.
 
So where do I preorder? Apple's website or my carriers(Sprint) website? Which is gonna give me the best chance of getting this sucker on release day?

EDIT - Also, anybody had problems trying to preorder these phones while on a SERO plan? Last one I tried it tried to make me change my plan or just straight up wouldn't work.
 
Just got confirmation from the Apple chat specialist that they won't be offering unlocked iPhones this time around, just contract free.

This sucks :(
 
Just got confirmation from the Apple chat specialist that they won't be offering unlocked iPhones this time around, just contract free.

This sucks :(

Does this mean I need a pre existing account? Apple confused me with their "we need your SSN and carrier info" when I buy off contract. Can't I just reserve one?
 
Does this mean I need a pre existing account? Apple confused me with their "we need your SSN and carrier info" when I buy off contract. Can't I just reserve one?
Don't think so, it just means that even if you order a T-mobile contract-free iPhone, you won't be able to insert an AT&T SIM card.
 
Called T-Mobile again and apparently you can only go in store to bite on that new JOP deal. Which really sucks. I don't know how T-Mobile stock usually is online but I'd hate to go in store and have pre orders run out already.
 

Guess Who

Banned
Just got confirmation from the Apple chat specialist that they won't be offering unlocked iPhones this time around, just contract free.

This sucks :(

Apple chat reps don't know what they're talking about. T-Mobile model, bought full price straight from Apple, will be unlocked 100% guaranteed.
 
Don't think so, it just means that even if you order a T-mobile contract-free iPhone, you won't be able to insert an AT&T SIM card.

I just don't wanna be putting in carrier info and stuff. Lemme reserve the phone in store and be done. Not sure if I'm going Best Buy or Apple.
 
For those wondering what models from what carriers work with who:

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus:

GSM (will work with AT&T and T-Mobile, sold by AT&T and T-Mobile)
CDMA (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon, sold by Verizon)
Sprint/Unlocked SIM-free (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint + more international GSM bands, sold by Sprint or SIM-free)

iPhone 6S and 6S Plus:

GSM (will work with AT&T and T-Mobile plus more international GSM bands, but is only sold by AT&T)
CDMA (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint + more international bands. Sold by everyone but AT&T)
Unlocked SIM-free TBA, but will probably the CDMA model
 

VoxPop

Member
For those wondering what models from what carriers work with who:

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus:

GSM (will work with AT&T and T-Mobile, sold by AT&T and T-Mobile)
CDMA (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon, sold by Verizon)
Sprint/Unlocked SIM-free (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint + more international GSM bands, sold by Sprint or SIM-free)

iPhone 6S and 6S Plus:

GSM (will work with AT&T and T-Mobile plus more international GSM bands, but is only sold by AT&T)
CDMA (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint + more international bands. Sold by everyone but AT&T)
Unlocked SIM-free TBA, but will probably the CDMA model

That's strange. I bought a T-Mobile 6 last year and it works fine on Verizon including LTE.
 
That's strange. I bought a T-Mobile 6 last year and it works fine on Verizon including LTE.

When I say "works with" I mean to full capacity. A lot of GSM/CDMA phones will work with LTE on each other's networks, but not with stuff like 2G/3G when LTE isn't available. This is because all carriers use LTE for high speed data now, but 2G/3G still use GSM/CDMA hardware the phone itself may not have

Although there may be an exception with what model T-Mobile sells, I'll look into it. I remember hearing something about that
 
For those wondering what models from what carriers work with who:

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus:

GSM (will work with AT&T and T-Mobile, sold by AT&T and T-Mobile)
CDMA (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon, sold by Verizon)
Sprint/Unlocked SIM-free (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint + more international GSM bands, sold by Sprint or SIM-free)

iPhone 6S and 6S Plus:

GSM (will work with AT&T and T-Mobile plus more international GSM bands, but is only sold by AT&T)
CDMA (will work with AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint + more international bands. Sold by everyone but AT&T)
Unlocked SIM-free TBA, but will probably the CDMA model
why would T-mobile sell a CDMA model now?
 
why would T-mobile sell a CDMA model now?

Because the GSM model AT&T is selling doesn't have CDMA components, but the CDMA model that everyone else is selling has both GSM and CDMA components. AT&Ts model is special because it has Band 30, which only AT&T is using (and slowly rolling out). The CDMA ones don't have Band 30, but have all the other ones including the international bands
 

Juice

Member
why would T-mobile sell a CDMA model now?

Yeah that makes no sense because only this year's non-CDMA model supports 700mhz band 30 which is where all T-mobile's expanded coverage is coming from. No way is that poster correct.

Edit: my bad it's band 12. Maybe he's right.
 
Yeah that makes no sense because only this year's non-CDMA model supports 700mhz band 30 which is where all T-mobile's expanded coverage is coming from. No way is that poster correct.

Edit: my bad it's band 12. Maybe he's right.

Band 12 is 700Mhz, which every 6S model supports. Band 30 is AT&Ts

Model A1633* (iPhone 6S GSM)
Model A1634* (iPhone 6S Plus GSM)
LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30)
TD-LTE (Bands 38, 39, 40, 41)
TD-SCDMA 1900 (F), 2000 (A)
UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

Model A1688* (iPhone 6S CDMA)
Model A1687* (iPhone 6S Plus CDMA)
LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29)
TD-LTE (Bands 38, 39, 40, 41)
TD-SCDMA 1900 (F), 2000 (A)
CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

Models sold by whom confirmed through: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2491013,00.asp

With the iPhone 6s, AT&T confirmed that it's selling the model (A1633/34) with its new Band 30, which will speed up AT&T LTE service across much of the country. But that model doesn't appear to have a CDMA radio, which is needed to make calls on the Sprint and Verizon 2G/3G networks.
All the other carriers are selling model A1687/88, an Apple retail rep told me. T-Mobile confirmed it is selling the 1687/88, as well. That includes support for all four carriers, including the LTE bands AT&T has installed until now, just not the brand-new Band 30. So A1687/88 will work fine on AT&T, but in the future it may get somewhat slower LTE speeds on that network than A1633/34.

That's strange. I bought a T-Mobile 6 last year and it works fine on Verizon including LTE.

So I did some research, and it depends on where you get it from. If you got it from either T-Mobile or from an Apple Store bundled with a T-Mobile SIM, then it's T-Mobile hardware. As in, you get LTE from CDMA networks like Verizon, but not 2G/3G. If you got it unlocked and full price from an Apple Store, the policy is to actually give you the full Unlocked version of the phone, regardless of which carrier you're on, which would have the CDMA hardware (in the 6's case, the Unlocked phone that they started selling around January of 2015 is just the Sprint phone without a Sprint SIM. Same bands and everything)
 

nicoga3000

Saint Nic
It's a phone payment plan. So instead of paying either a subsidized price or the full price up front, they divide it up over X number of months, no interest, and add it onto your bill

Next 12 splits the phone into 20 payments. After 12 months you can turn the phone into AT&T and be free to upgrade, or after 20 months you own the phone

Next 18 splits it up into 24 payments. Turn in at 18 months or pay to 24 and keep it

Next 24 splits it up into 30 payments. Turn in at 24 months or pay to 30 and keep it

This is for the phone itself, doesn't affect your data plan at all if you don't want it to. Though if you're not on a Mobile Share Value plan you're not really getting any benefits (lower like access fee)

Thank you ALL for your help. This post did an exeptionally good job at outlining what this Next stuff is.

So if she wants to upgrade in 18-24 months, we should pick the corresponding Next plan.

Is there any discounts to be had by going straight through AT&T or is Apple the better route (given that it comes with Apple Care)?
 

Juice

Member
Ok, so who used the app to prefill carrier info?

I missed the boat before the store went down. :(

Worse, last year the app did not sell tmobile phones, only the web site. But the web site was down completely until 7am


Ugh
 
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