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How? I don't see the option
none of these are consistent, and it seems (for the most part) that any of these happening is less frequent than not.
One thing to point out, is that if you match/upload your library, and then (for whatever reason) add the same song from Music, it will show up with duplicates.
Another issue (that has always existed with Match, but I'm not really sure how this is really solvable) is where you have the same song, literally the same song, but have it multiple places in your library. In iTunes traditionally, "hide duplicates" would handle this. However, and here's the sticking point, iTunes would basically handle this on metadata alone. So if a song was Michael Jackson - Thriller, and you had it tagged that way on 4 different albums it would be hidden. Fine. The problem came down that if one was a play time of 4:59, and another 4:55, and another 5:02, all with varying degrees of silence, they would ALL be uploaded/matched in Match (probably uploaded). So in your iTunes library you used to have Thriller once, and now you have it duplicated three times.
In the above case, IMHO technically Match is right. They are three separate rips/downloads that, while they contain the same song, are not from the same source. For example iTunes was notorious for hiding live versions of songs unless you had them named as LIVE or something appropriately. In the case that the three are in fact the exact same song just from different rips... then it should be on you (not Apple) to clean up your library. IMHO
I mean people are definitely having problems in rare cases.. but yeah, a lot of the "duplicate" problems I've seen are just a change from how iTunes handled duplicates and how Match/Music handles them.
sadly this functionality (editing metadata) has always been limited to iTunes only.
You just described Match in a nutshell.......... Getting it initially setup is one of the most frustrating experiences ever. However once that horrifying setup is complete, it works beautifully after.. even adding music after the fact (ripped or purchased).
Glancing at my playlists I am noticing duplicate entries of some songs. Duplicate will have a cloud and arrow symbol...indicating I guess I could download it? Even though the original file is right above it and on disk. Is it doing that to try to suggest I download a better bitrate version? If I play that playlist will it also try to play the duplicate with the download symbol on it?
It is pretty confusing :/ I'm not quite sure how to disable it either. In preferences I see a checkmark besides iCloud library...hopefully that disables the matching
Right click album/track -> 'Get Info'
Frank Serpico
Banned
¯\_(ツ_/¯
I'm enjoying it for the most part. Apart from some clumsy menu design choices and bugs. It's pretty much everything I wanted from an Apple music subscription service that integrates perfectly with my Apple devices.
agreed, IMO the UI is 10x nicer to use and more visually appealing then Spotify and being in the Apple eco system it's just very nice to use
in iTunes (desktop)? If so, the best way to diagnose what's happening is to choose (upper right corner I believe) showing what you're looking at by Song, then in "Choose Columns" select iCloud Status. You should now see one of four options
Purchased
Matched
Uploaded
Apple Music
In almost all cases that I've come across so far with duplicates, either iCloud Status is different between the dupes, and/or track times are different (effectively making them look like different songs/versions)
but yeah, I would start there.
Apple Music seems to be working significantly better now than it did the last few days. The only problem I have left (besides some of the missing songs) is that the "remove download" option in the iOS Music app doesn't work most of the time. I usually have to go to the Settings app to delete the songs.
Glad it all worked out.
holygeesus
Banned
I don't think it is just 128kbs when using mobile data, it seems to me that the entire iPhone app is locked to that quality, even when streaming over the internet, as iTunes through my Mac, using the same amplifier, sounds better to my ears.
Major bummer if true.
I'm 100% not surprised Apple didn't give us toggles for this stuff. They leave out stuff like this in 1.0's of their software to reduce complexity when all it does is annoy people that want options. Tying cell data to Apple Music and Updates is so stupid. Hopefully they add these things with the next update.
Thanks! That did add more info, but still kinda screwed.
It looks like all the files with the duplicate have the original file labled "inelgible" in iCloud status. Then there is a duplicate underneath labeled "Apple Music." So that seems to mean that for whatever reason some of these mp3s were inelgible for upload or match, or something. But there is an Apple Music version so it shoves that in the playlist as well. Rating and metadata seems to be the same on both, but I change one...the duplicate doesnt change :/
Even weirder, when I look at All my songs (not in a playlist view, but all songs view), the original file isnt even listed there. Only the Apple Music duplicate. If I search I can't see anything but the apple music version, but if I search in the playlist that contains it I see both the original and the apple music version. So I wouldnt be able to play the version on my disc at all from the All songs view, even though I can in the playlist view
Robin64
Member
I decided to listen to Pendulum's "Hold Your Colour" on the drive home from work today, it's an album I love but hadn't heard for a while. Was nice an easy to get to and play, and I just put my phone into my car's USB port and boom, as I sometimes do with Spotify. (Usually I just have a memory stick loaded with songs, though)
But oh dear, whatever quality it was streaming at has absolutely ruined that album. Most songs have extremely noticeable areas of compression and distortion. Now I'm not really an audiophile, but I have to say that it ruined the album entirely and I just can't listen to it through this method.
I'm worried about how other albums will sound now and if it's worth the tenner a month when I'm getting MP3 quality from 20 years ago.
But oh dear, whatever quality it was streaming at has absolutely ruined that album. Most songs have extremely noticeable areas of compression and distortion. Now I'm not really an audiophile, but I have to say that it ruined the album entirely and I just can't listen to it through this method.
I'm worried about how other albums will sound now and if it's worth the tenner a month when I'm getting MP3 quality from 20 years ago.
killertofu
Member
Lol there are already too many confusing toggles
untrue. Basing it on the ONLY information we have ever been given, Apple has explicitly said that both Match and Music stream at 256Kbps. The only thing Apple has not (ever) commented on is what bitrate Radio streams at.
regarding ineligible..... uggh....... yeah, this was some of the f***ing shit I dealt with 3 or so years ago with Match... So many files I removed and re-added to try to get them to upload/match... sad to see it still has similar problems.
Well, you can either delete YOUR files from your library and just be fine with the Music files (shouldn't be a big deal, as long as you don't actually permanently delete the file. Just archive it off somewhere), or do like I'm saying, and remove it from your library, drop it back in which should try to match or upload it again.
when you go to change meta, that is working as it should. They are in fact two different files/songs, even though audibly it is the same song. fix the duplicate issue (which is a pain, sorry) and you'll be fine.
regarding the display.. By default (I believe) iTunes enables hiding of duplicate tracks. There should be an option (in the View menu?) for Show Duplicates. Once you do this the dupes should show up everywhere in itunes. The reason they show up in playlists is because playlists is immune from iTunes' hide duplicates feature, in the event that you have a single song inserted like 2 or more times within the same playlist. I actually forgot about that until I created a playlist this morning, and there wasn't really a great indication that I added a song, so I ended up hitting the + button a few times... went back to the playlist with Done, and sure enough.. the song(s) were in there a ton of times. Had to delete all of the extras.
Has anyone found a solution for album art not showing up on your device, but everything being intact within iTunes?
That's my current situation right now. I can fix them by removing all the affected songs, syncing my phone so they aren't there anymore, re-apply the album art in iTunes, then popping them back on my phone.
but that's like 200 albums with missing artwork. Frustrating.
That's my current situation right now. I can fix them by removing all the affected songs, syncing my phone so they aren't there anymore, re-apply the album art in iTunes, then popping them back on my phone.
but that's like 200 albums with missing artwork. Frustrating.
SmackCrackleNPop
Member
It's weird because Beats Music had those options and they should have carried them over. I had max quality on all the time.
Ideally should have separate options for WiFi/Cellular and offline bitrates
256 aac, 192 aac, 128 aac
P.S.: I'm getting annoyed by comments online from people demanding 320 quality when they don't know 256 aac is just as good. I commented on a few FB/YouTube posts and it just proves people generally don't understand what they're talking about.
Ideally should have separate options for WiFi/Cellular and offline bitrates
256 aac, 192 aac, 128 aac
P.S.: I'm getting annoyed by comments online from people demanding 320 quality when they don't know 256 aac is just as good. I commented on a few FB/YouTube posts and it just proves people generally don't understand what they're talking about.
Used Smart Playlist for the first time yesterday. Amazing. Added all of my Kpop songs in 10 seconds. I didn't get a chance to play around with it too much, is there a Smart Playlist rule so that I can add every Apple Music song I save to my music?
I haven't followed the discussion, does AM stream at 256AAC all the time? WIFI and cellular?
I haven't followed the discussion, does AM stream at 256AAC all the time? WIFI and cellular?
Maninthemirror
Banned
it saves data on cellular coverage. that is the point.
holygeesus
Banned
I think you misunderstand me - If I stream the same song on my Mac (iTunes) it sounds better than if I stream the same song on my iPhone, using the same Yamaha amp and Airplay.
I'm not differentiating between Match and Music - I'm insinuating that the Music app on the iPhone doesn't change between 256kbps and 128kbps. It sounds fixed to 128kbps to my ears, even when using wireless internet.
If the iPhone is AirPlaying something directly, the quality should degrade, no?
It certainly does, but at least give me the option to stream a higher bitrate. It sounds noticeably worse.
had you already played it (ever?) where it would be cached on your phone? If so, you'd have to go into Storage first and wipe out your Music storage, then try playing it again.
edit - 68Kbps wouldn't sound "noticeably worse". It would be virtually unlistenable by even the most casual of listener.
holygeesus
Banned
How is it any different to my Mac Airplaying to the same Amp?
The line of connection of both:
iPhone ----------Airplay------------Amp
MacBook-------Airplay------------Amp
They are both using the same wireless connection but the iPhone versions of songs I know pretty well, just sound harsher than playing them via the Mac.
infiniteloop
Member
How to properly use “Likes” in Apple Music
http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/07/02/how-to-properly-use-likes-in-apple-music/
http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/07/02/how-to-properly-use-likes-in-apple-music/
Beats Music defaulted to 64k AAC on cellular, your figures are about right for that.
https://support.beatsmusic.com/hc/e...dio-quality-bitrate-does-Beats-Music-support-
You had the option of changing on that though.
Nope, never played either of the songs I tested. Ran another and it seems to line up with Imperium's results, 70kbps.
I wouldn't say it unlistenable, considering that's basically what SiriusXM tops out at, but it's not preferable. AAC might actually be helping a little bit from a compression standpoint as well, which may be comparable to a 128 kbps MP3.
Ok, just tested it with a song I've probably never in my entire life listened to before.
turned off wifi
went in Music to get the song ready
went into settings and cleared cell data usage
double tapped immediately back into music
pressed play
4.2MB for 209 seconds.
4.2 x 1024 (a MB is 1024 KB, which are 1024 Bytes) * 8 / 209 = 164Kbps. Also remember that this is all VBR not ABR or CBR.
This is a matched track. I can try with a Music track. I'd have to wait til I got home on an uploaded track just because I'd have to check the size there.
my result was considerably different (over double the bitrate)
edit - tested a Music track that wasn't in my library
193 seconds and 5.2MB showing in usage comes out to 220Kbps (5.2 * 1024 * 8 / 193 = 220Kbps)
David Guetta track is way busier than the previous Blind Melon rock track showing the VBR difference.
turned off wifi
went in Music to get the song ready
went into settings and cleared cell data usage
double tapped immediately back into music
pressed play
4.2MB for 209 seconds.
4.2 x 1024 (a MB is 1024 KB, which are 1024 Bytes) * 8 / 209 = 164Kbps. Also remember that this is all VBR not ABR or CBR.
This is a matched track. I can try with a Music track. I'd have to wait til I got home on an uploaded track just because I'd have to check the size there.
my result was considerably different (over double the bitrate)
edit - tested a Music track that wasn't in my library
193 seconds and 5.2MB showing in usage comes out to 220Kbps (5.2 * 1024 * 8 / 193 = 220Kbps)
David Guetta track is way busier than the previous Blind Melon rock track showing the VBR difference.
I also made sure to isolate the song in its own playlist, since it's possible the app may begin buffering the next song in the queue. I'll see what I can do with a matched song. Also, for the sake of the calculation, Apple measures megabytes with 1000 bytes .. Microsoft's the lone straggler there.
It still fails in letting you see a list of stuff that you liked.
I also made sure to isolate the song in its own playlist, since it's possible the app may begin buffering the next song in the queue. I'll see what I can do with a matched song. Also, for the sake of the calculation, Apple measures megabytes with 1000 bytes .. Microsoft's the lone straggler there.
fwiw, this is actually fun, regardless of the results
I mean all I want is the info, (and hopefully it isn't poor). Doing the same as you posted here... 1min to go.edit - ok, doing that I get 82Kbps. Now what's interesting is on that one I was struggling on signal strength.. it kept popping in and out of 4G and LTE (horrible reception here).
There's a bit of a bump!fwiw, this is actually fun, regardless of the results
159kbps, 3.7MB, 186 seconds on an uploaded song (SM64 - Dire Dire Docks)
I wonder if they are doing some sort of adaptive bitrate over LTE.
Robin64
Member
I don't actually need to save data on cellular coverage, so the option here would be terrific.
SmackCrackleNPop
Member
Would be nice if they just automatically went into a playlist of 'liked' songs.
That'd mean getting hearts in a place where they sync up between devices and sessions. Found a lot of hearts I've given on iPhone not show up on PC. You can make a smart playlist on PC to auto-populate with liked songs/albums, but when they don't register, what's the point?
Got the Shakes
Member
Are you hearting and adding to your music library, or just hearting? I imagine with a smart playlist it will only pull songs added to your music library, not ones that you heart just for the sake of fine tuning your music curation.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Huh, you can edit the metadata of Apple Music songs and it will sync across all devices. I did NOT expect that
correct. playlists ONLY work on My Music. If you add a song from Music to a playlist, it will first (behind the scenes) add it to My Music, then add it to the playlist.
One annoyance I've come across (very minor) is that in a playlist you are only given the option to remove a song from playlist, or remove download. But you can't, for example, remove from My Music from the playlist. So (whether you remove it from your playlist or not) you still have to go back into My Music, find the song, and remove it from there.
Minor, and the chances I'd want to actually remove a song that I specifically added to a playlist are minor.. but still.
correct. Once you add a song to My Music it becomes "your" song. You can do whatever you like with it. Change metadata, use it in apps, etc.
yes. You can edit the metadata identically to anything else in iTunes once you add it to My Music.
SmackCrackleNPop
Member
Including album art?
Elliot Smith's Either/Or and Weezer's Blue Album have terrible quality album art. I would like to change them, otherwise I'd just sync from my computer my own copies.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I guess I didn't expect that because I assumed it was always pulling from the Apple Music's servers, not your own iCloud Music Library
djSyndrome
Member
Turned off this shitshow on my iPhone. When I resynced to my PC, all playlists that were on the iPhone were nuked from the PC. Progress?
holygeesus
Banned
Did you log-in and out again? When I did, it handily turned off my Cloud Library for me :/
Can't you set Location to iCloud to see tracks there?
Didn't think you could at all
