badcrumble
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Especially when some people will buy both.
Apple's gonna sell this one hard on the books angle, apparently, and that makes sense,
I'm hoping for inverted-color view of PDFs to mimic nighttime mode on books in iBooks 3.0.
Apple's October 23 Event | We've got a little more to show you.
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Apple's gonna sell this one hard on the books angle, apparently, and that makes sense,
I'm hoping for inverted-color view of PDFs to mimic nighttime mode on books in iBooks 3.0.
What do I have to learn? I didn't say "Oh man, they clearly know what they're talking about"- in fact I called it ridiculous.
Whats with the hostile comment for just sharing a stupid story about how overzealous the employees were about something that wasnt even announced yet. Next time I'll keep it to myself :/
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Clearly I'm in the wrong thread. What does that even mean?
Ignore him.
Nothing really, the only thing I can say is you pissed off an Apple fan for thinking an Apple store employee was putting on a show.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No one at any store knows anything.
Okay, so the Apple worker was a douchebag. No reason to be an ass to pantsmith about it then. What he said isn't out of line.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I never said it was. I just implied he's naive because it seemed like he believed they knew things, which he has now clarified. I then posted a relevant thing a Gamestop worker friend once used to tell people when they asked questions about shit.
Even so, it still didn't call for a snarky comment.
Really, you're just being an asshole for no reason. <--- Implications based on the way you word your posts.
I mean, I'm sure no one gives a fuck, it's just being brought to your attention.
Souless_PJ
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For all the people saying what about the ipod touch price remember one of Jobs's business rules was to never be afraid of cannibalizing yourself. "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will," he said.
So even though an iPhone might cannibalize the sales of an iPod Touch or an iPad might cannibalize the sales of a laptop, that did not deter him.
So even though an iPhone might cannibalize the sales of an iPod Touch or an iPad might cannibalize the sales of a laptop, that did not deter him.
Bboy AJ
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This cannibalize quote gets overused. GAF just throws that phrase around without context. Jobs meant that when launching a new product to replace the old. It doesn't work when the old product may cannibalize the newly launched product. If that happens, Apple seems like they dropped an egg.
So yes, it does matter to Apple which one people buy.
So yes, it does matter to Apple which one people buy.
Jobs discussed cannibalization various times, the only consistent message was that he wants Apple to cannibalize Apple, and not to be cannibalized by others. Tim Cook followed the same message when he discussed cannibalization of Windows PCs and MacBooks by iPad.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Right. But that's not my point.
Apple only cares if it is being cannibalized by other companies. The iPad cannibalizes the new MacBook Airs, which have higher profit margins than the iPad, but they'd prefer that to a netbook cannibalizing the MacBook Air. Look what Tim Cook has said about it:
Jan 2011:
"Now was there any cannibalization by iPad? Honestly, I don't know for sure. But yes, I think there is some cannibalization. But I also think there's a halo effect. As we've seen on the Mac by the iPod some years ago, I think there is a halo effect from Apple product to Apple product. And of course, we have introduced millions of people in Asia to Apple through the iPhone. And we're now introducing many more through the iPad, and I think some of those decide to buy a Mac. And so when you look at the Mac growth in Asia at 67%, and you look at the Japan growth at 56%, and you look at the U.S. and Europe growing in double-digits against shrinking markets, if this is cannibalization, it feels pretty good.
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And so honestly, cannibalization is not something that we are spending one minute on here. The iPad team are building the best iPad for the future, and the Mac teams are building the best Mac, and I can tell you that both groups believe that they can continue to grow and do great stuff, and I believe that."
July 2011:
Some customers chose to purchase an iPad instead of a Mac, but even more decided to buy an iPad over a Windows PC. There are a lot more Windows PCs to cannibalize than Macs.
January 2012:
"There is cannibalization of the Mac by the iPad, but we think there's more cannibalization of Windows PCs by the iPad - we love that trend."
Canis lupus
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One day left, time to end all rumors and announce the thang.
Besides the public statements they've made about cannibalization, I think if you follow the iPhone and iPad Average Selling Price (ASP), its clear that the new products were cannibalized by the introduction of the old model at a cheaper price (selling iPhone 4 at cheaper price after iPhone 4S released, selling iPad 2 at cheaper price after new iPad released). They don't worry too much about intra-Apple cannibalization--they had record profits in the quarters even with ASP going down:
I still don't see what everyone's problem is with iTunes on W7. I use mine every day as my main music player without a single problem.
It's not a apple thread without liu kang posting some crazy apple shit. At this point I almost think he works for them.
Burger
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How else will people like me be entertained?
Autumn Wind
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Is the event being streamed live?
They are never livestreamed nowadays.
Autumn Wind
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Damn, should have known though was holding out a small bit of optimism. What time does it start?
Phoenix
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Probably. They'll have to update iTunes for the new devices so I would imagine this would be their opportunity to launch it all.
Phoenix
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Latest pricing rumors suggest 16GB for $329 which would just be bafflingly high IMO. They can probably get away with it for a while, but all of the competitors are significantly cheaper and they aren't that far behind as well as having growing consumer acceptance numbers.
Technosteve
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The install turns into shit over multiple upgrades. I bought a SSD to mitigate the twenty hour startup times that iTune has
Phoenix
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On pretty much every platform iTunes has become an architectural turd. It has feature set requirements that harken back to the beginnings of iTunes (one library per device, etc) but has this awkward iTunes Match everything in the cloud duality. The application needs to be taken out back and shot so that a new iTunes can take its place. I am hopeful that this new iTunes does that and isn't just some rehash for discovery of content and other such nonsense.
Even on OSX, iTunes really needs some work. Its like they never take a break a realize that things need to be rearchitected.
While I like the new UI changes that Apple is making with the new itunes and how to modify playlists and browse... it still is going to connect to the same number of devices, it's still going to have the built in store and most of the same functions it has now (it'll sync a billion things to iphones, ipads and ipods).
So either Apple rewrote it to be faster on older hardware while still performing the same tasks or the same people who dislike it now for its bloat will continue to dislike it with the new UI.
So either Apple rewrote it to be faster on older hardware while still performing the same tasks or the same people who dislike it now for its bloat will continue to dislike it with the new UI.
ThatCrazyGuy
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It's terrible and slow. I game a lot on it and have tons of apps. It's slow to load lists, slow to scroll and has terrible organization options. This is all for apps management. I have windows 7.
I guess the music part is fine? I don't listen to a lot of music nowadays from iTunes.
OmegaTreeFish
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Mine sits one my laptop and streams its content to my apple tv boxes...... for that its fine.
However when it comes to updating things and synching devices the unknown error (number) BS really gets on my nerves. And it happens a LOT.
Luckily I don't need need to interact with the program much apart from to add new content which is fine for the most part.
With regards to the ipad mini.... being in the UK the price of a 1gig one has to be at least as low as £250 to be of interest. If PSMobile doesn't have the appearance of apps on my vita by the end of the year I might be going for a tablet for that side of things. If the mini is £250 or less I would prob go with that.... if not i would be going for a nexus 7 I would imagine.
However I still hold hope that PSMobile will get the apps out I want.
PhoncipleBone
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Or maybe the $329 is the price for the entry level LTE model, since they charge $130 for that option. And the base wifi is $199.
Only in a perfect world.
Gary Whitta
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Mostly excited for new iMac, although it sounds like the 27" model I want won't be available right away.
It's not even that iTunes a giant, slow, bloated, resource hog that's prone to crashing and wants to trojan shit like Quicktime and Safari (which it is). It's that as of iCloud it's completely unnecessary. Amazon and Google don't make me install a piece of software to get music or manage my devices. Hell, you can't even browse iTunes online or listen to your music online. My videos are forever hostage to the Apple ecosystem, nothing is easily portable. This is what I consider basic functionality of any media store. But not only do I need iTunes to interface my collection of media with my iDevice I can't even do it on another computer because the damn thing is tied to it. iTunes is just bullshit.
iTunes Match.
I just use Amazon Cloud Player which can do what I need for free (since I tend to buy music from Amazon it cloud stores for free) or I could pay them the same price to do what iTunes match does but I'm not stuck with just Apple's devices and software. But that's only a small portion of what's wrong. It's amazing Apple is so bad at digital media sale mechanisms when they practically pioneered it. Or maybe that's why? iTunes was useful 5 years ago but it needs to end and Apple needs a workable web interface.
Baconsammy
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Yep, given the option I'll always choose the non-Apple answer since I'm not tied to one ecosystem forever. I wouldnt have guessed a couple years ago that Amazon would come out the gate doing everything (e-biz related) better and smarter than Apple, but somehow they managed it. But then again retail is their focus, so I guess I shouldnt be surprised.
Sometimes you guys just mystify me. It's so easy for me to buy through Apple and propagate the media to everything. It's like we live in a different world.
I guess it's because I've embraced their ecosystem end to end.
There you go. If you never leave or use anything outside Apple it's great.
But dealing with an unnecessary and crashy iTunes on Windows because I want to load up a few songs is ridiculous. I should be able to browse iTunes online from anywhere, buy or upload a song and have it accessible to all my devices regardless of whether or not they are Apple ones and without additional software. Everyone else does it, why shouldn't Apple?
Best part is they can continue to have iTunes for those that want it.
I don't know why you are so mystified, you pretty much answered your own question?
I'm the same way. I used to buy from iTunes but now, aside from apps, nothing. Amazon pretty much ensures I'll have easy access to everything I buy from any device I use including PCs at work. I know Apple's intent is to get me to use their products but it feels intentionally gimped because of that and actually pushes me away from using their services. My honest opinion is that you probably just shouldn't buy from iTunes unless you're all in with Apple...
I hate iTunes as much as the next guy (I really, reeeealy despise it) but I don't think it is fair to state that it is trojanning shit. Quicktime and Safari are built in to OS X, and iTunes uses their frameworks, they are needed on whatever platforms it is installed on, it's about modularity. iTunes started it's life on the Mac, it is put together like other Mac apps from the era it was built. It is however inexcusable that they hadn't done a rewrite like they had everything else since then. It is also becoming less necessary because most things can be managed on the devices themselves these days (save for the smaller iPods). I'd say it's also a bit unfair to compare it to Amazon and Google's solutions which are brand new, unless you have amnesia and have forgotten what the web looked like in the early 2000's - even web based email access was a joke until 2004. iTunes came out in 2001.
Apple should have an online solution, and likely will once things like sprout core and HTML5 reach more maturity, but Apple has always favored native solutions, and at the time it was the ONLY solution.
Amazon Prime is just too strong for me to get hooked to iTunes. The amount of content + free 2 day shipping is kind of amazing considering it's only $40 a year for me
I don't really have a problem with iTunes on my Air though, it's great as a music/podcast player. Hopefully they redo the whole syncing aspect of it, there's syncing by cable, syncing by wifi, backing up to computer, backing up to iCloud, and a ton of poorly organized syncing settings
I don't really have a problem with iTunes on my Air though, it's great as a music/podcast player. Hopefully they redo the whole syncing aspect of it, there's syncing by cable, syncing by wifi, backing up to computer, backing up to iCloud, and a ton of poorly organized syncing settings
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