Duxxy3
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It's amazing how well the gba sold in the beginning.
That's what happens when you release a cheap handheld ladies and gentlemen.
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April 2013 NPD Sales Results [Up3: Xbox 360 Top Platform, NSMBU LTD, Lego 3DS, Luigi]
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It's amazing how well the gba sold in the beginning.
That's what happens when you release a cheap handheld ladies and gentlemen.
Yep
Honestly, with potentially Mario3D, Mario Kart, Pikmin, Yoshi or whatever else and a price drop - I wouldn't count the WiiU out either for 2013. That's how sad the #2 position is in Japan right now.metalslimer said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
It seems to me that they want it to be a profitable but niche passive revenue generator. Encourage companies to do low cost ports where they can, make it a good space for independent people on PSN, making it work with PS3 and PS4 so that whales are hooked... but don't focus on any real quantity of exclusive content or risk anything.
NeonZ
Member
GameCube numbers would basically be an improvement at this point. Mario Kart Double Dash was the second best selling GC game, right behind Smash Bros Melee. It was an important title even during the GC generation.
Mario Sunshine performed significantly worse than other 3d Mario games, even Galaxy 2 and 64 DS beat it. Now, there's the matter of whether it was due to the game's own qualities, lack of content and theme (which made many people perceive it as a spin off and keep asking for a Mario 128 afterwards), or just the GC's smaller userbase. It isn't the standard for the performance of a 3d Mario title at all so far though.
That was both a (small) rant and a fun take on what could have been a better presented conference. You're taking the fan fiction part more seriously than I did. About the data, you need to zoom out, get a vision and see what is coming: lots of Nintendo games, potential price cut and better marketing.
DS was supposed to be a disaster. Wii a 6 months fad and 3DS production "ceased by 2014" (Gameblog journalist 8 months after 3DS launch). I discussed data presented to me with lots of people like you these last 10 years and I feel pretty good about my past visions.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Games selling and games selling systems is very different. Wii U needs system sellers. To date it's hard to see which software is going to sell systems in a major way, rather than sell to the existing base a few hardcore fans who have been holding off until they're released.
theviolenthero
Member
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Holy mother of God, that OP....fanfiction for E3 presentations.....
this is a new level, ya'll.
Giant Panda
Member
Motion/pointer controls GAF! That's how you save consoles, with control schemes you can't get anywhere else.
MikeE21286
Member
The decision to skip a formal E3 presentation seems even worse now for Nintendo/WiiU.
They need to generate excitement and momentum in a big way for WiiU. You don't do that with small presentations. You need bombast and spectacle. Wasted opportunities...
They need to generate excitement and momentum in a big way for WiiU. You don't do that with small presentations. You need bombast and spectacle. Wasted opportunities...
NeonZ
Member
They need to at least get those hardcore fans on board though. Right now, the Wii U doesn't even have that. I don't see why they should be looking to something bigger when they have so far failed to even get to a baseline. Anyway, my point regarding Mario Kart DD's sales is that even if the lack of an expanded audience means it'll never reach Wii's crazy numbers, the fact that it was the second best selling GC game shows that it does attract interest from Nintendo's core fans too. They need things like Mario Kart, Smash Bros, 3d Mario and Zelda to get at least them to pick up the Wii U.
Why are you saying PS3 is outselling the 360 in Canada? Can you provide a link to this data?
Father_Brain
Banned
Small-scale DD revenue generator is at least possible, yeah. Selling it as a PS3/PS4 accessory, or anything that involves a physical product, requires retailers to continue to support it, and I don't see any way to achieve that with numbers like these.
As for the last bit... I wonder how long it's been since Sony greenlit a first-party retail title. Likely the better part of a year, at least.
something sure spooked nintendo good back in december, because they had that nintendo direct showcasing a bunch of wii u games up in the middle of january. hardware sales probably began declining at a rapid rate throughout the month when they could see that was historically not the case.
i think that's when they made the decision to essentially abandon their own console for half a year. it's one thing to have a slow period marked by almost no third-party games, which the n64 and gamecube both experienced, but it's another when the first-party doesn't support it early in its life like that either. other things were probably going on behind the scenes, like bringing in iwata to personally oversee nintendo of america. having been involved in bigger projects, a lot of big stuff has to be planned sometimes up to a year in advance. pikmin and wii fit might have been finished for a february and march release, but they'd release into a dead period. they were probably moved in order to strategically some momentum.
i think that's when they made the decision to essentially abandon their own console for half a year. it's one thing to have a slow period marked by almost no third-party games, which the n64 and gamecube both experienced, but it's another when the first-party doesn't support it early in its life like that either. other things were probably going on behind the scenes, like bringing in iwata to personally oversee nintendo of america. having been involved in bigger projects, a lot of big stuff has to be planned sometimes up to a year in advance. pikmin and wii fit might have been finished for a february and march release, but they'd release into a dead period. they were probably moved in order to strategically some momentum.
Duxxy3
Member
That's a little depressing but I think it's the truth.
yeah, i mean, i would have had a wii u by now had pikmin 3, nsmbu, and rayman legends all been released for the console. that was my plan. i didn't expect it to be september. now i'm just waiting for the inevitable price collapses around black friday so i can pick up the hardware at a decent price and the six games or so that'll comprise the lineup for the console for the next year.
Duxxy3
Member
I really think it was the return numbers.
It begins. I guess this is where the DS gains momentum and pulls ahead of the 3DS.
Cheers. Thanks for looking that up
ugh how to conveniently forget that
1. Gears of War released this year
2. SOny actually priced up their hardware...basically right now they don't give a fuck about a slight difference in hardware in the NA market on a monthly basis..they rather go for more profit it seems. Most of their line up hasn't even dropped yet
To me it seemed more like they saw all the complaints people had given the things they said and presented.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Sure. I'm not saying "don't even bother", but people acting like big Nintendo titles automatically mean the system will turn around are being quite optimistic.
StreetsAhead
Member
For what it's worth, Wii Fit U was rated in Australia on January 18th.
http://www.classification.gov.au/Pa...kLtvx2rX43ejePNGXjumrnHwsh9PER5NtmESiNWDiMHpQ
That's the worse scenerio for me as a Vita owner if they stop making Vita specific content like a Gravity Rush 2 and only indies. Frankly I don't find the current crop of indies on the system to be any good.
Baconsammy
Banned
Especially since the mainstream press are going to be at E3 this year to cover the PS4 and Xbox (according to Pachter).
shinra-bansho
Member
There is no platform I'm aware of that has sold this catastrophically badly and recovered. There is no move Nintendo can make on price that would actually sufficiently alter the value proposition to cause significant recovery. Advertising serves the purpose of promoting a value proposition it doesn't create one where none exists.
And I'm fine with your opinion. I just don't share it.
sony may not support it much this year, but you can count on smaller things to appear from third parties. i can think of at least one vita exclusive on the way that no one is expecting (or maybe even cares for).
interesting.
for people who don't know, australia's rating board takes longer than most. nintendo might have submitted the game for review back in the early or middle part of december.
dragonfart28
Banned
Total industry crash incoming.
Right before nextgen dang...
dragonfart28
Banned
Sorry.. forgot the part where it's saved by expensive tech and games that everyone's played before.
As long as it's not another Final Fantasy HD remix, I don't know how many more times I can go through them again.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
BigWeather
Member
I'm a bit concerned that there is something far worse going on and it goes far beyond generation fatigue. The economy isn't great, the leap from current to next gen doesn't seem that huge (not like from last to this one), AAA business model may be turning some away (I've got lots of disposable income and I'm done with the $60 + season pass + tons of DLC scheme -- $20 GotY one year later now), and of course competition from tablets and the PC that finally seems to be getting its act together in the way of distribution friendliness.
Joel Was Right
Member
How did the 3DS do. Good? Bad? Meh?
Duxxy3
Member
Around 100k. Less than last year.
This is also the longest video games have gone without what I would consider a major technological change.
Atari to NES was a big shift in fundamental capability. SNES to N64/PS1 was as well. Even if you grant that PS1 to PS2 was a big shift just because of how bad the PS1 was this is still going to be the third gen in a row that is pretty much the same on a broad technical level.
It definitely feels to me like we are past due for a major change. Maybe that's why motion took off, at least for a while. Occulus Rift could be that change but it's probably too flawed and narrow, at least for now. Maybe phones/tablets already are that change.
It's been a long time since a tech change forced developers out of their comfort zones a little and opened up some genuinely new possibilities.
UberTag
Member
Father_Brain
Banned
Any platform selling that badly has problems far too deep to be solved by a $50 (or likely even $100) price cut - same deal with Wii U at this point - and the latter two are nothing more than value-add features.
theviolenthero
Member
One thing you have to remember is digital sales aren't tracked by NPD.
For instance, 17 of the top 20 Videogame Bestsellers on Amazon right now are digital pc games.
The other 3 items in the top 20 are PSN & XBL cards.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Oh, so PlayStation Handheld Family.
Pretty much this. Nintendo has basically shown no interest publicly in their own platform, and has instead tried to divert everyone's attention to August. Iwata has essentially said as much to investors, especially concerning the user experience and OS problems.
BigWeather
Member
That's true, I forgot that. I suspect software (especially PC) isn't that bad. It's the hardware that seems to be in a bad way.
Trevelyan9999
Banned
People saying that 1-3 great games can't spur sales of the Wii U have forgotten about Wii Sports selling millions of Wii's in 2006 (I personally didn't think it was that great though).
Yes several times.