ambientmystic
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Pretty much, gollum-kaz. Pretty much.
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April 2013 NPD Sales Results [Up3: Xbox 360 Top Platform, NSMBU LTD, Lego 3DS, Luigi]
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Pretty much, gollum-kaz. Pretty much.
Basileus777
Member
These things are only true if you are looking at traditional consoles, not the industry as a whole.
Aquamarine
Member
For context on why Wii U selling ~35,000 units in April is bad:
In summary: Wii U is doomed.
In summary: Wii U is doomed.
I'm not sure what you are even trying to say, but I thought the same thing when the FM Towns Marty failed to gain traction: It was a sad time.
It has nothing to do with the Wii u being a dud. Read my previous post and try to respond without making this into your typical fanboy circus. The evidence is there for an industry wide contraction which is why people are prone to the "sky is falling" hyperbole.
Warm Machine
Member
The visibility that the nextvXbox is going to have via the dash stream on the 21st is going to be unprecedented in this industry. That and MS can continue to hit the dash with news all the way until reveal. Their customer base on XBL will be very informed. That said the sales expectations are going to be massive as a result.
Damn, game deserves better.
Traditional consoles and their associated software are what we are talking about in this npd console thread, yes.
StreetsAhead
Member
Android and iOS as well as the proliferation of Steam indie games alone have allowed for the formation of a much bigger and wider gaming industry and audience than we were used to: Nintendo wasn't that important to the industry at large the last few years.
And Capcom won't release Ace Attorney Dual Destinies through a physical medium.
October will be fun for you.
Duly noted. I'm so hyped.
ambientmystic
Member
For context on why Wii U selling ~35,000 units in April is bad:
In summary: Wii U is doomed.
What would Neogaf do without your charts Aquamarine?
Thanks for these, ma'am!
599 DOLLARS PS3 (That was the time when the PS3 had no games!) sold more than the cheaper Wii U. Even in it's absolute worst moment, the PS3 still sold more than the Wii U in the US.
Holy shiet.
shinra-bansho
Member
The sky isn't falling simply because both Sony and Nintendo put out products that nobody wants. Will there be a contraction, perhaps, but it will probably be due to a reduction in output from publishers as they focus on fewer but higher selling franchises. (Although the handheld sky is definitely descending a lot more.)
Is there still a market for home consoles. Most certainly.
Is there still a market for home consoles. Most certainly.
Seemed to work before. Trailing twelve months.
Kacho
Gold Member
lol
Bad numbers all around this month. Wii U and Vita hardware numbers are atrocious.
That sucks... :/
shinra-bansho
Member
For further context, the first time the original XBOX and GCN dipped below 40K in an NPD month was in April 2006, four and a half years after they launched and half a year after the 360 initiated the 7th generation.For context on why Wii U selling ~35,000 units in April is bad:
In summary: Wii U is doomed.
None of the 7th gen home consoles have ever dipped below 40K.
X is months, Y is units.
a Master Ninja
Member
Do we have a good Gamecube versus Wii U graph going?
Aquamarine
Member
How many of them only had two 1st party titles released after 6 months? Wii U is a console of records.
Though I don't see the PS4 or Nextbox selling this bad 6 months out, I do expect that they will be down compared to their predecessors. Overall, dedicated consoles and handhelds are going to see a contraction.
As for the 3DS. It didn't do as bad as it could have, but it needs to do so much better. I think Nintendo, and us need to come to terms that the original handheld market has contracted a little over 50%. That also should signify to developers that more core, traditional games are whats going to sell. I'm basing this all on SM3DL and FEA.
As for the 3DS. It didn't do as bad as it could have, but it needs to do so much better. I think Nintendo, and us need to come to terms that the original handheld market has contracted a little over 50%. That also should signify to developers that more core, traditional games are whats going to sell. I'm basing this all on SM3DL and FEA.
shinra-bansho
Member
Nintendo have published 4 retail titles on the Wii U, 5 including the co-publishing of Razor's Edge.
But sure let's pretend the $350 Wii U with New Super Mario Bros U was at severe disadvantage against the $599 PS3 with Genji: Days of Blade.
How about 2 first party franchises?
In the coverage period, yes.
ambientmystic
Member
Now you're just reaching mate. Accept your losses and move on, the Big N will rise again one day.
I am curious to how big smartphones play into a person's decision to buy a dedicated handheld. With the millions of cheap apps available, getting a smartphone may seem more cost effective and enjoyable upfront compared to buying 30-40 dollar games for a Vita/3DS. Also, just having a device that can do multiple things including phone services is seemingly more preferable to most people anymore.
Microsoft is taking a much different stance here. By literally closing the faucet to a drip on the 360 this year, people will be seeing it as Microsoft gearing for a huge nextgen push. There will still be a multitude of multi plat games there but it will be in the shadow of a massive marketing push for the next Xbox. Sony on the other hand is still releasing big first party games on the PS3 into the PS4s launch which could backfire if people find out they can't play PS3 games on he PS4.
Of All Trades
Member
How many of them launched with a sequel to a game that sold 30 million copies?
shinra-bansho
Member
Sony Computer Entertainment published 5 games in the US in the first 6 months of the PS3's release.
Resistance: Fall of Man
Genji: Days of Blade
Motorstorm
NBA 07
Formula One Championship Edition
These were clearly the difference makers. Clearly a system with a Mario title is at severe disadvantage in such comparison.
Oh, by the way, the system was $599. That must have helped a lot.
Or we can stop pretending that first-party output is the sole problem at play.
StreetsAhead
Member
PS3 was still coming off of the back of the PS2.
At least 3DS is still second and probably more around 110k than 100k, since it's over 100k and over PS3.
Still, terrible month for everyone, who expected such low hardware...Fortunately, 3DS is having lots of titles and that will improve the situation, especially starting with Animal Crossing (it'll be huge).
Ah, 3DS software top 10 is good, sales wise. MH3U sold more than 21k in its second month, and it's 9th. And Soul Hackers sold more than that! The first Devil Survivor sold 27k in its first month, fyi. There seems to be quite a good activity in the lower positions, with titles still selling at least over 10k per month (remember February?), compared to last year.
Yeah I think Soul Hackers had a better debut than some of the other SMT games. I can consider somewhere above 21k, hopefully more like 30k, solid for the type of game it is. I expect SMT IV to be bigger and hopefully that opens at 50k+.
Chinpoko_Master
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And the Wii U wasn't coming off of the back of the Wii?
Ninja Scooter
Member
If only Wii U as coming off the back of a super successful home console with the same name.
pieatorium
Member
Shipped 3.5 sold 2.5
Of All Trades
Member
The PS2 is supply constrained.
Is your argument that the 3DS should have been down YOY in both months instead of just this one?
At least pick a system that is still being produced or soon to be! I wanna see how the Shield does in its first couple months.
shinra-bansho
Member
StreetsAhead is right, Sony struck while the iron was still hot with the PS3's release far moreso than Nintendo, who left their system to fade into irrelevance.
The PS3 was a lot of things. It was coming off of the PS2. It was ridiculously expensive. It was a significant technological upgrade over the 6th gen. It was supported by third parties in a meaningful manner. It wasn't a fundamentally flawed product, or rather it was in its overengineering, but not in that it actually had a target market.
Wii?
StreetsAhead
Member
I would agree if this was 2010. Maybe even 2011. Wii hasn't been alive in the mind of the public for years at this point.
I think it's difficult to judge the situations of each launch against each other exactly, of course. PS3 had a lot going for it, and against it.
Last Hearth
Member
The sky isn't falling simply because both Sony and Nintendo put out products that nobody wants. Will there be a contraction, perhaps, but it will probably be due to a reduction in output from publishers as they focus on fewer but higher selling franchises. (Although the handheld sky is definitely descending a lot more.)
Is there still a market for home consoles. Most certainly.
Seemed to work before. Trailing twelve months.
Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.
The marketplace has changed significantly since 2006
To be fair, the Wii had been dead for two years.
shinra-bansho
Member
Certainly, and I'm sure Sony, Microsoft and third party publishers will watch intently to see if both this hardware trend and the software trend reverse course with the release of new systems. The point, however, is that the Wii U is really no indication of a contracting market, it's a fundamentally different product from what Sony and Microsoft intend with their successor systems.
The Wii U is what happens when you produce a 360 near-equivalent in 2012 and try to sell it at a premium because of a controller nobody cares about.
Beer Monkey
Member
When the Xbox 1 has double the sales metrics of your system you need to start courting developers.
Honestly, Nintendo needs to call EA and beg for mercy.
And management needs to fall on their collective swords.
The sad thing is Gunpei Yokoi had to resign over the failure of the Virtual Boy, and he totally deserved a 'get out of jail free' card.
Last Hearth
Member
No, but it is part of a trend that has to alarm everyone in the industry.