The 360 also got a second wind with Kinect.
And a smaller console... Which looks like may happen again
The 360 also got a second wind with Kinect.
I know next -gen won't be in dire straits and its obvious that the tech enthusiast crowd can't wait for new HW, but where does this assumption that the masses will eventually "catch on" come from? Is it possible for a piece of tech to end up only appealing to the enthusiast crowd?I wouldn't worry unless Sony somehow managed to pull another PS3 launch or worse. Unlike Wii U, PS4 will have powerful enough hardware to get tech nerds jumping on board, and from there word of mouth will hopefully be positive enough to give it a semi-healthy launch.
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The difference is not as large though. And PS3 is still more expensive. A competitive priced PS4 vs Durango launching at the same time should be about equal.
This man speaks the truth. I find it funny when people are baffled as to why the 360 does better than the PS3 as if there couldn't possibly be anything thats more appealing about the 360.Came out first. Was cheaper. Had an infinitely better online system. XBLA owned PSN for years. Acheivements were popular. Best version of most multi-console games. Much better selling exclusives. Controller is better, especially for shooters.
If Microsoft manages to essentially make XBL compatible across platforms then I think there isn't anything stopping them from taking the US again. I.e. someone buying a Durango, will be secure in knowing he has all his 360 friends to play COD: Ghosts with even if they don't get a Durango yet.
The difference is big, especially when you consider that during the holidays 360 curbstomps the PS3. But regardless, sales now aren't to people that will be a factor at the launch of the PS4 and Xbox. The people that will decide the immediate fate of PS4/Xbox are the people that bought PS3s and 360s 6-8 years ago.
You know I wouldn't count on MS dominating Sony in the US this time around. A signficant portion of the huge US lead happened when Sony completely bungled the first 2 years of PS3. Unless MS has something huge for the launch in November, I think they will come out with MS slightly ahead.
Came out first. Was cheaper. Had an infinitely better online system. XBLA owned PSN for years. Acheivements were popular. Best version of most multi-console games. Much better selling exclusives. Controller is better, especially for shooters.
Personally, I think PS4 and Durango will be the last non-hybrid consoles from the big three anyhow. Whether the future consoles are portable devices that can be streamed to your television...
I know next -gen won't be in dire straits and its obvious that the tech enthusiast crowd can't wait for new HW, but where does this assumption that the masses will eventually "catch on" come from? Is it possible for a piece of tech to end up only appealing to the enthusiast crowd?
Is it bounded in any research? (Genuinely interested) not referring to previous gaming generations but consumer tech in general.
Anyone think/know if NPD will cover Ouya?
Would be hilarious if it outsold the WiiU
Taking the US sure, but a 10 million lead? I don't think that will happen.
In this strange universe you live in where Iwata channels the ghost of Steve Jobs and the UPad is the best thing since sliced bread, how manifold does the release of Mario Kart increase Wii U sales by? 2x, 3x, 5x so that it's selling like a 7 year old system? 10x so that suddenly it's a healthy system?System sellers - what do you make of them? Nintendo released 2 (two) games for its new platform. Clearly not enough, and it shows. That's an execution problem, which is about ti be fixed, like they are fixing miiverse or the OS. As long as they fix price and their marketing team, Wii U will have a market. Sytstem sellers will make sure of that.
I think the lack of BC with both platforms gives them much more of a blank slate.
360 outsold Sony by 1.5 million units in Nov/Dec of 2011 alone and has consistently been ahead of PS3 for years now. It's been a relatively consistent pattern of 360>PS3, and not just in the beginning.
It is possible. If Durango has BC and Microsoft makes enough units, I say a large portion of their gold user base makes the jump short term.
Death at Wii U, Vita and Inafune Sacrifice.
Actually, you have it the wrong way round, MS have made most of their gains since the slim.
But soul Sacrifice came in the last day of April so we won't really see results until we check the results for May.
That doesn't account for the rest of the world.
I could agree that it was cheaper and came out first, but don't see XBLA as a selling point and more derogatory as coming off of PC gaming in 2011 I never understood why I would pay for network services. I never owned a Playstation console or Xbox console beforehand either, only opting for Nintendo consoles.
The controller is better for shooters, but to me its preference as I don't really see that as a major selling point for myself though I do imagine it changing other people's opinions as the DS3 can be seen for smaller hands like mines.
And for much better selling exclusives, the console had to sell itself first and have build up so I wouldn't list that as a reason until the latter half of the gen.
My point is, earlier on given PS3's blunders it makes sense to choose a 360. But why now? Why is it selling greater than the PS3 this late in the generation?
But soul Sacrifice came in the last day of April so we won't really see results until we check the results for May.
but this tracks through may 5th and non-nintendo games are front-loaded saleswise
People saying Soul Sacrifice sales are decent? I know standards for Vita sales are in the toilet, but damn that's stretching it. I hope Sony is not hoping Remote Play, a feature that won't do crap for sales, is the savior of the system.
People saying Soul Sacrifice sales are decent? I know standards for Vita sales are in the toilet, but damn that's stretching it a bit much. I hope Sony is not hoping Remote Play, a feature that won't do crap for sales, is the savior of the system. I gotta give Sony credit for still supporting the Vita- its reaching the point where most physical retailers will have zero incentive to even stock the thing. The writing is on the wall for the Vita unfortunately.
So we got pretty good extrapolations of the consoles and the Vita, but what about the 3DS? Anything?
This is low, can't take a serious discussion with someone having a 180 degree different vision than yours?In this strange universe you live in where Iwata channels the ghost of Steve Jobs and the UPad is the best thing since sliced bread,
The 2H Wii U lineup is potentially far more than Mario Kart, if execution is right a shocking U turn in not out of reach. Until proven wrong people love Nintendo games. Nintendo usually is very good at selling their games in H2, and they are likely to have plenty of them, looking great for the first time in HD. And yes, GamePad is a great device, that needs to be priced and promoted correctly with the machine that feeds it.how manifold does the release of Mario Kart increase Wii U sales by?
2x, 3x, 5x so that it's selling like a 7 year old system? 10x so that suddenly it's a healthy system?
The Wii U's sales have to literally increase by an order of magnitude. I cannot see simply releasing a Mario Kart of 3D Mario do that. "Marketing" as if it's some kind of magic will not do that either.
After 26 months:
GBA: 15.1m
DS: 9.1m
3DS: 8.4m
PSP: 7.4m
After 15 months:
GBA: 7.7m
3DS: 5.0m
PSP: 4.7m
NDS: 4.0m
PSV: 1.4m
color blind edition
Minecraft
And this. Kinect was a big success. Move was a failure.
jvm estimated 100k
Vita and WiiU nipping at the heels of the point where NPD should just stop tracking them.
Hilarious.
Thank god for that.
Might be true but I certainly won't be supporting it again on PS3 unless they developed on PS3 first.
They fixed some of the problems but not all of them, and it damaged the brand. One of the lead reasons why people call out multiplats generally being better on 360.
There was a vocal minority and alot of hype when the price was announced so I don't blame him for confusing things.
So much for the 3DS tracking ahead of the DS.
After 26 months:
GBA: 15.1m
DS: 9.1m
3DS: 8.4m
PSP: 7.4m
After 15 months:
GBA: 7.7m
3DS: 5.0m
PSP: 4.7m
NDS: 4.0m
PSV: 1.4m
color blind edition
No there wasn't, lots of people were complaining about how Sony learnt absolutely nothing from the PSP and came out with yet another overengined elephant. And that their push to put the PS3 experience on the Vita shows they don't understand the expectations of the portable market.
Not sure how this is funny... It's sad, and doesn't help gamers. That's provided you are a gamer, hence posting on a gamers forum.
I don't see anything amiss about citing that you literally wrote a Steve Jobs fanfiction and are the self-proclaimed defender of the Nintendo and the Wii U to provide "balance" to NeoGAF, as indication you aren't someone willing to accept the reality of the Wii U's situation, regardless of the data presented to you.This is low, can't take a serious discussion with someone with a 180 degree vision as yours?
The only games with broad appeal outside of Nintendo's core fanbase to the degree that Nintendo needs is Mario Kart and to a lesser extent a 3D Mario title. And whether any casuals still bite for Wii ____ titles. X, the Wonderful 101, Pikmin, are not going to change the Wii U's course.The 2H Wii U lineup is potentially far more than Mario Kart, if execution is right a shocking U turn in not out of reach. Until proven wrong people love Nintendo games. Nintendo usually is very good at selling their games in H2, and they are likely to have plenty of them, looking great for the first time in HD. And yes, GamePad is a great device, that needs to be priced and promoted correctly with the machine that feeds it.
Thank god for that.
I have yet to see anything that tells me that Sony isn't just leaving the vita out to die.
I totally forgot about that thread. How embarrassing. lmaoI don't see anything amiss about citing that you literally wrote a Steve Jobs fanfiction and are the self-proclaimed defender of the Nintendo and the Wii U to provide "balance" to NeoGAF, as indication you aren't someone willing to accept the reality of the Wii U's situation, regardless of the data presented to you.
The (optimistic) 5M PSP/Vita worldwide forecast suggests that's more or less their plan. Release the games they have lined up for the rest of the FY, don't make any major push for them, let them sell what they're going to sell, and then speak no more about it.
I'm sure that various people at SCEA, SCEE, and SCEJA would assert otherwise, but I don't really see what else they can possibly do at this point.
System sellers - what do you make of them? Nintendo released 2 (two) games for its new platform. Clearly not enough, and it shows. That's an execution problem, which is about ti be fixed, like they are fixing miiverse or the OS. As long as they fix price and their marketing team, Wii U will have a market. Sytstem sellers will make sure of that.