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April Wrasslin' |OT 2| I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!

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excelsiorlef

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Aiii said:
Unfortunately the USA crowd have been so indoctrinated with blind patriotism that the second you do this is the second you make every non-US wrestler a heel.

And I wish that was a satirical statement.
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It's also why I'm kind of ok with the foreign heel as long as it is done well. I'd argue both Owens and Jinder are coming at it from the right way. Jinder is doing the original plan for Muhammad Hassan before it went really racist with the terrorist angle, and the benefit here is Jinder is actually an Indian Canadian whereas Hassan was 100% Italian pretending to be Arab.


It works for me because i see it as a criticism of the xenophobic mentality. Owens and Jinder are faces for me...
 
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Caderfix

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jmdajr said:

Fast 9: Dwayne Johnson Will Reportedly Return Now That Feud With Vin Diesel Over

Dwayne Johnson will reportedly return to star in the ninth Fast and the Furious film now that he and Vin Diesel have allegedly ended their much-publicized feud.

TMZ reports that after meeting privately several times to iron our their issues, Johnson and Diesel are now "good" and "1000% in" for Fast 9.

The main cause for their feud, which had nothing to do with money, was an argument over who got the most screen time in The Fate of the Furious, according to TMZ. While Johnson wanted more of the spotlight, he ultimately acknowledged Fast 8 was Diesel's movie, with Diesel listed number one on the call sheet.

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I didn't watch Fast and Furious 8, but Vin is the main character. If the issue was really Rock wanting to taker over, that's dumb.
 
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Sephzilla

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TarpitCarnivore said:
And moreso that NXT isn't as good as developing talent as we thought
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eh, I think NXT is still hurting from the draft and the cruiserweights. Collectively that was a massive drain on their roster and the end result is that a lot of people who weren't ready for TV yet are now on TV

jmdajr said:

Fast 9: Dwayne Johnson Will Reportedly Return Now That Feud With Vin Diesel Over

Dwayne Johnson will reportedly return to star in the ninth Fast and the Furious film now that he and Vin Diesel have allegedly ended their much-publicized feud.

TMZ reports that after meeting privately several times to iron our their issues, Johnson and Diesel are now "good" and "1000% in" for Fast 9.

The main cause for their feud, which had nothing to do with money, was an argument over who got the most screen time in The Fate of the Furious, according to TMZ. While Johnson wanted more of the spotlight, he ultimately acknowledged Fast 8 was Diesel's movie, with Diesel listed number one on the call sheet.

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This is why Rock needs his own franchise
 
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RecRoulette

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excelsiorlef said:
It's also why I'm kind of ok with the foreign heel as long as it is done well. I'd argue both Owens and Jinder are coming at it from the right way. Jinder is doing the original plan for Muhammad Hassan before it went really racist with the terrorist angle, and the benefit here is Jinder is actually an Indian Canadian whereas Hassan was 100% Italian pretending to be Arab.


It works for me because i see it as a criticism of the xenophobic mentality. Owens and Jinder are faces for me...
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lmao, what? That's amazing.
 
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Foggy

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It's tough to swallow the subjective heel approach. "You hate diversity" and "You hate me cause I'm rich" is a real have your cake and eat it too sort of approach.
 
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Bluekaveli

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DAMN PAL

WE'RE DOWN FROM A 3.105

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Man God

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Paul Walker is clearly the main character in F&F.

With him dead it's all up in the air. Rock is the one who made the franchise as big as it is.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Caderfix said:
I didn't watch Fast and Furious 8, but Vin is the main character. If the issue was really Rock wanting to taker over, that's dumb.
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Yeah that changes a lot of things... everyone was all Rock is so nice, Vin is such an ass....

If the Rock was really demanding he be given the franchise... kinda makes him the jerk no?

And if that was the case, him being so public about it... kinda makes him the jerk no?
 
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Professor Beef

Banned
jmdajr said:

Fast 9: Dwayne Johnson Will Reportedly Return Now That Feud With Vin Diesel Over

Dwayne Johnson will reportedly return to star in the ninth Fast and the Furious film now that he and Vin Diesel have allegedly ended their much-publicized feud.

TMZ reports that after meeting privately several times to iron our their issues, Johnson and Diesel are now "good" and "1000% in" for Fast 9.

The main cause for their feud, which had nothing to do with money, was an argument over who got the most screen time in The Fate of the Furious, according to TMZ. While Johnson wanted more of the spotlight, he ultimately acknowledged Fast 8 was Diesel's movie, with Diesel listed number one on the call sheet.

carnies
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lmao

Oh Rock. You can take the man out of the carnival, but you can't take the carny out of the man.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Foggy said:
It's tough to swallow the subjective heel approach. "You hate diversity" and "You hate me cause I'm rich" is a real have your cake and eat it too sort of approach.
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To be fair they go hand in hand... a lot of people really do hate successful minorities even more.
 
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Caderfix

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excelsiorlef said:
Yeah that changes a lot of things... everyone was all Rock is so nice, Vin is such an ass....

If the Rock was really demanding he be given the franchise... kinda makes him the jerk no?

And if that was the case, him being so public about it... kinda makes him the jerk no?
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For sure.
 
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Cagey

Banned
Man God said:
Paul Walker is clearly the main character in F&F.

With him dead it's all up in the air. Rock is the one who made the franchise as big as it is.
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The Buster was the worst part of F&F not named Tyrese Gibson, who both not-coincidentally co-starred in the worst movie in the series.

Get Lucas Black on a P90X program and bring back that wabaki magic.

Professor Beef said:
lmao

Oh Rock. You can take the man out of the carnival, but you can't take the carny out of the man.
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Gotta protect your spot until death.

Even then, protect your spot in the cemetery.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Caderfix said:
For sure.
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Also probably justifies why Vin wasn't friendly with The Rock, I wouldn't be super friendly with someone trying to take my spot, especially when it's really my only spot anymore... Especially when the script, the producers and everyone said that Diesel's character was the main character.

Man just goes to show how much reputation can carry you. Rock was openly bitching and everyone was on his side... Diesel said nothing and everyone was shitting on him. Rock's a master carny.
 
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The Strokes

Banned
The Fast and Furious franchise is still alive because of the Rock, Vin should know this.

4 was mediocre and it wasn't til Fast Five (the best of the franchise, imo) with Dwayne that they morphed into actual good action movies.
 
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excelsiorlef

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The Strokes said:
The Fast and Furious franchise is still alive because of the Rock, Vin should know this.

4 was mediocre and it wasn't til Fast Five (the best of the franchise, imo) with Dwayne that they morphed into actual good action movies.
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So what though? He's not the main character.... It's not Rock's job to demand he be the main character.
 
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Sephzilla

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The Strokes said:
The Fast and Furious franchise is still alive because of the Rock, Vin should know this.

4 was mediocre and it wasn't til Fast Five (the best of the franchise, imo) with Dwayne that they morphed into actual good action movies.
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Fast Five was a success because they did a slight genre pivot and got away from being car porn movies to being Oceans 11 but with cars
 
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Caderfix

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The Strokes said:
The Fast and Furious franchise is still alive because of the Rock, Vin should know this.

4 was mediocre and it wasn't til Fast Five (the best of the franchise, imo) with Dwayne that they morphed into actual good action movies.
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In fate of the furious, was the plot written around Rock? Was he the main character?

If so, there is an argument to be made, if not, the main characters is still Vin, and even when Paul was alive Vin was the center of some of the movies, not only plotwise, but also exposure wise. If he is the character that is around the most and the plot is written around him, he is the star and that's the end of that.
 
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imBask

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wasn't Vin Diesel considered as a super nice dude? I remember when Paul Walker died he flew right to Walker's mother's house to spend time with her
 
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ShadowSwordmaster

Banned
excelsiorlef said:
It's also why I'm kind of ok with the foreign heel as long as it is done well. I'd argue both Owens and Jinder are coming at it from the right way. Jinder is doing the original plan for Muhammad Hassan before it went really racist with the terrorist angle, and the benefit here is Jinder is actually an Indian Canadian whereas Hassan was 100% Italian pretending to be Arab.


It works for me because i see it as a criticism of the American mentality. Owens and Jinder are faces for me...
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Let's face it. This is the only reason that Jinder is a heel. It's not xenophobic mental in general is more specifically American. But I rather have Jinder as a champ than Brock at this point. Brock is just wasting everyone time at this point.
 
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The Strokes

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excelsiorlef said:
So what though? He's not the main character.... It's not Rock's job to demand he be the main character.
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Funny considering the studio cave in and is really close to give him a spinoff movie

Sephzilla said:
Fast Five was a success because they did a slight genre pivot and got away from being car porn movies to being Oceans 11 but with cars
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4 tried to change the formula too aswell, it was really bad

Caderfix said:
In fate of the furious, was the plot written around Rock? Was he the main character?

If so, there is an argument to be made, if not, the main characters is still Vin, and even when Paul was alive Vin was the center of some of the movies, not only plotwise, but also exposure wise. If he is the character that is around the most and the plot is written around him, he is the star and that's the end of that.
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I mean, it' still gonna be Vin's show since he's now a producer, but he's being a little egocentric if he thinks the franchise has maintained alive based on his name, dude tried to bring back Riddick and no one really cared.

Plus, whatever argument you have is invalidated by the fact that you're a jobber waiting to happen at GWF 3.
 
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Strax

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Man God said:
Rock is the one who made the franchise as big as it is.
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mehhh.

If you take out the Fast films from his filmography it's pretty lackluster, at least in terms of the Fast films. The films where he plays the main character don't get sequels and he even had a straight-to-dvd film post Fast 6. His biggest film outside Fast is a VO role in a Disney film that was expected to do much better.

If anything the Fast films saved him. Dude was doing films like Faster, Tooth Fairy, Planet 51 and Race to Witch Mountain in the two years prior.
 
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TarpitCarnivore

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Zach said:
Seven matches, though. What a time to be alive.

I kinda want to rewatch that Hart/Backlund match. >_>
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I am definitely enjoying these sub 4 hour Mania's

Empyrean Heaven said:
It's IMO the worst one. 9 is pretty awful but it's worth watching for the insane spectacle and the hilarious moment of Hogan winning the belt and burying both Yoko and Bret in 30 seconds. 11 feels like a damn In Your House, it was held in Hartford for christsakes.
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It's really pretty trash and highlights everything wrong in WWF at the time. You're right in that feels 100% like a regular run of the mill house show

Sephzilla said:
eh, I think NXT is still hurting from the draft and the cruiserweights. Collectively that was a massive drain on their roster and the end result is that a lot of people who weren't ready for TV yet are now on TV
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I wasn't speaking to now, just NXT over the last 2ish years. There have been some call ups who were clearly way too soon and are not showing much in the way of improvement.
 
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TarpitCarnivore

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Zach said:
You on a chronological journey, TarpitCarnivore?
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I decided to listen to all of Lapsed Fans Mania recaps. I'm trying to fill in gaps for any I don't remember enough to enjoy the episode. So this meant re-visiting Mania 6 and 8, so I figured why not just go all the back through. I recall 9 and 10 pretty damn well (rented them a lot as a kid) so 11 is where I'm at.

I'm planning to do the same with their Starrcade memorial tour.
 
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excelsiorlef

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I want Kevin Owens to cut a promo about how as the face of America he'd like to help bring a Canadian style health care system to the US... just to see that get boos.


BTW is it weird there is no Braun Strowman merch?

Like zero. No Monster Among Men shirt. Nada
 
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Caderfix

Member
The Strokes said:
I mean, it' still gonna be Vin's show since he's now a producer, but he's being a little egocentric if he thinks the franchise has maintained alive based on his name, dude tried to bring back Riddick and no one really cared.
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The same can be said for the Rock thinking that he is the reason why it got back on track rather than the renewed formula aimed more at crazy action than simple early 2000s car fetish and big budget.

The Strokes said:
Plus, whatever argument you have is invalidated by the fact that you're a jobber waiting to happen at GWF 3.
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I like how you never give up, no matter how many times I out promo you. I can almost respect the fact that you are trying to steal some of the spotlight that follows me around, the only problem is, you are so far behind that all you'll ever get is my shadow. While you are busy trying to be the second coming of Caderfix, I'll just keep being the original.

*Hit my music*
 
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