HashtagLapsed
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Shibata vs Okada is a great match. Those headbutt spots have never added anything to these matches. Like, it would still be one of the best matches of the year without it.
The way he worked was crazy though, yeah.
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Shibata vs Okada is a great match. Those headbutt spots have never added anything to these matches. Like, it would still be one of the best matches of the year without it.
The way he worked was crazy though, yeah.
I'm a Jinder tweener
To be clear I don't like seeing guys get injured but it sure ups the suspense if yesterday's jobber could knock out anyone at any moment.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Liu would try to convince us that Jinder is the best thing that happened in recent history, but then he/she would see people unironically saying it's great and would walk away shaking his/her head in disapproval.
excelsiorlef
Member
Actually I thought both his first Talking Smack appearance and his promo after winning the 6 man match were pretty good, not great but pretty good/
It's the You Deserve It era.
Untalented, charisma-less performers are the most over heels they've got these days.
Expecting Bo Dallas becoming a #1 contender any day now.
FeenixRising
Banned
*prays Jinder pulls a Sheamus and fluke wins the WWE Championship*
Professor Beef
Banned
Yes, and I'm looking forward to seeing how he does moving forward. I don't think he's god's gift to wrestling, and I certainly have never thought the size of someone's warcrate mattered or translated to how good they are.
Jinder was a comedy heel who was in a group therapy with Enzo a couple months ago, then proceeded to win 2 matches in the last 8 months without looking credible or being built at all, lost to Mojo twice, was made to look like a fool by Gronk and stiffed the hell of his coleagues in house shows and regular matches on RAW, being reckless (I might be in the minority, but fuck stiff workers) in matches that don't matter.
Sure, it's just because they're not pushing a nerd I like.
SallyIsNow
Banned
There is not a single redeeming quality in Jinder. He's awful.
excelsiorlef
Member
Well there is one, he's being fed to Randy Orton instead of someone better...
Orton hasn't gotten anyone over in ages.
SallyIsNow
Banned
At this point, I'm assuming he's winning. And I'm just so dumbfounded by the people who support that decision.
excelsiorlef
Member
It'd be kinda funny just in how stupid it is?
Again you're talking to someone who willingly watched WCW in 99-2000, as in Nitro and Thunder.
I saw Arquette win that damn Big Gold Belt.... and laughed.
At some point you just have to laugh at the dumb shit these big companies do.
Plus I think they'd just elevate the US title to the main event.
Vince will let Jinder be WWE Champion on Smackdown just to see if viewership stays up or not.
I...I don't even know how that's possible.
Like, he has never "told a story" in the ring. He's never displayed feats of athleticism or willingness to put his body at risk. He's never wrestled an intelligent or precise match. And all of this could completely be not his fault (who knows who is laying out the matches). But there is literally nothing to praise in his matches. He is the AI set on easy. He is the character at level one before placing a point in a talent tree. I'd say he's as green as a garbage bag but he's been there for years.
I don't hate Jinder. I just think he barely exists.
FallingEdge
Member
It is something new and exciting and fun. I hope he does win. He has a great look and the potential to do more.
The brand's main title is not the title to give to a guy with zero build whose only real quality is having a good look. It is not the work in progress title. I would agree with you if it was for the US or IC.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Professor Beef
Banned
And none of those things have ever mattered as much as you think they do in recent years.
Give the main belt to a jobber with a look, brehs
It worked for Mankind. *shrug*
FallingEdge
Member
Give the main belt to a jobber with a look, brehs
It is the WWE. That shit doesn't matter.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Mankind had already been in the comp for 3 years and had main event feuds. And he was over.
excelsiorlef
Member
Lol yeah Jinder is not Mankind, and Mankind was never a jobber.
Professor Beef
Banned
Would you settle for Jericho in his first WWE run, then?
excelsiorlef
Member
There is actual champion or star comparable to the Jinder situation, this is if Barry Horowitz got a title push.... That's why it's funny as hell
Beef, real talk, are you actually being serious? You know it's not comparable, right?
blackaroni
Member
Jinder was the Beyoncé of 3MB.
Professor Beef
Banned
You know this shit is fake also, right? Why is everyone up in arms and all of a sudden desiring workrate in WWE when a month ago people didn't give a shit? Why not just give Jinder a chance?
FeenixRising
Banned
I'd say he's more comparable to JBL tbh.
excelsiorlef
Member
Nah JBL won matches, now he went straight from total mid card to ME fast but he still won matches... Jinder is legit Barry Horowitz.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Jinder went from getting punked out by Gronk to #1 contender.
FeenixRising
Banned
But still... who took Bradshaw seriously enough to not only become champion
But to hold it for 280+ days.
Professor Beef
Banned
Dolph Ziggler was covered in (kayfabe) literal shit while he was champion. What's your point?
excelsiorlef
Member
Yeah but no one would take Barry Hororwitz seriously either...
Let me pat myself on the back for my analogy damnit.
You didn't answer my question, but I will answer yours.
I do, I know it's fake. It's show about fake fights with storylines and story building in between, making so that it becomes enjoyable to follow, for the most part.
I am willing to give Jinder a chance, but what we are currently seeing in this fake fighting soap opera is simply terrible nonsensical storytelling that happened out of nowhere for no other reason than "oh shit, we need to appeal to that market NOW!".
It's being terribly handled. The green performer receiving the push went from a total jobber to a world championship contender even though nothing at all was shown to support the idea that he might pull it of. If you go back in my posting history, before he decided to stiff people in matches that didn't matter, I was actually saying positive things about Jinder and honestly expected and hoped he would receive a fair chance. But this is simply bad.
FallingEdge
Member
Trash bag Miz was champion. You can't defend that and hate on Jinder.
The Truth got a title shot as well. Jinder getting one isn't crazy.
The Truth got a title shot as well. Jinder getting one isn't crazy.
The Silver
Member
As a little jimmy ABA Undertaker was the literal definition of a badass to me, Big Evil is best Taker but goddamn I used to mark out for that damn motorcycle and trenchcoat.
I won't defend not current Miz being champion, but, still, Miz had much more history, build, success, charisma and promo skills than Jinder and it's not even comparable.
Professor Beef
Banned
If he did it 1 on 1 then you'd have a point. But it was a 6-man match, and he cheated to win. It's not like anyone's skill was diminished here unless you're one of those delusional Sami Zayn fans who think that if he doesn't have a belt than he's "buried."
I do agree that it seems a bit rushed, but the way they handled it is fine. Heel cheats to win a title match is as old as time itself. Now if Jinder ends up completely dropping the ball with this opportunity then that's one thing, but it's barely been a week since he won. As I've said before, I don't think he's god's gift to wrestling, but I'm for sure going to give this push a chance and see where it goes.
excelsiorlef
Member
I think you might have completely become even more positive than me
Professor Beef
Banned
I would agree if there was at least some building to his character or at least if the performer was given more room to breath instead of jumping from lower card jobber to the main event. I didn't feel this way even about Ellsworth's rise. That by itself should say a lot about how this was handled.
excelsiorlef
Member
If it's anyone's fault it's yours.
*rolls you up*
*Fast 3 count*
*Bret Hart restarts the match and eventually I win but the PPV goes off the air so I don't actually have to explain how, just know that I win.*
Sorry kid.
Truth had the single most entertaining gimmick in the company before the shot. Jinder has.. Some veins, I guess?
But its fine, your comparison to Miz is probably where I fall and that was enough to get me to be bored enough to atop watching.
Stop making sense, that's not supposed to be your gimmick, son
giancarlo123x
Banned
Nothing changes, clearly the main focus of the show is the US title.
British Monsoon
Member
NJPW fans: "yeah, not at all excited for Fale getting a title shot, but he's only a stopgap challenger I'm sure they'll build a good show around it".
WWE fans: "fucking JINDER!? This is bullshit, I said push different guys! What? I know he's different, but I didn't mean HIM, ffs!" *repeat rant daily*
WWE fans: "fucking JINDER!? This is bullshit, I said push different guys! What? I know he's different, but I didn't mean HIM, ffs!" *repeat rant daily*
Professor Beef
Banned
Did you ever watch that match I suggested to you? (jeff hardy vs Undertaker ladder match on raw)