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[Kaladin]

You can't have the face of the company, Sting, come back in a storyline all about returning to avenge WCW and then have him lose. That would be stupid.

It depends on who you think has more longevity, Sting or the nWo. I think the nWo still had some juice to it in '97, so going over Sting was the right call. Especially when the whole angle with the nWo was them winning more than losing.

 

[Man God]

What is the best example of WCW winning in the end over WWE?

Lex Luger.

 

[Sinatar]

WCW would still be alive had Bischoff known what he had in Steve Austin.

That's gotta be one of the biggest kick yourself in the pants moments ever.

 

[Kaladin]

What is the best example of WCW winning in the end over WWE?

The cruiser-weight division

 

[jmdajr]

Lex Luger.

Hmmm. Well he never came back to job.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'm curious as to how many would be entered in such a contest. You have to be an active subscriber as of yesterday, and have first subscribed before August 2014 which is in the first months of the Network.

Me if I was American, been subscribed since day one basically.

 

[Zach]

What is the best example of WCW winning in the end over WWE?

No clue. But imagine this: Vince is unable to withstand WCW's 80-whatever-week domination and somehow has to fold... and then WCW goes out of business a couple years later anyway.

No WWF/E or WCW. What a world.

 

[Sephzilla]

It depends on who you think has more longevity, Sting or the nWo. I think the nWo still had some juice to it in '97, so going over Sting was the right call. Especially when the whole angle with the nWo was them winning more than losing.

I thought the nWo was already starting to lose its steam by 97. I didn't think the nWo had that much longevity to it (and in hindsight it kind of didn't since after SC'97 is when everything started to get really stupid). Ending the nWo before it really started to overstay its welcome would have been a really good decision. You also need to remember that the nWo had been around for a year and a half already by the time Starccade 1997 rolled around - that's three times longer than The Corporation lasted in WWE. The nWo lasting in power for almost 3 years would have been way too long.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

I think what really makes me laugh is WCW redoing the Hogan/Sting match on Nitro the next night but not showing the finish (lol), and then doing a proper rematch at Superbrawl where Hogan once again gets most of the offense (loooool) and doesn't lose until Savage hits him with a spray can (LOOOOOOOOL)

 

[jmdajr]

Sorry or this spam but...

List of NWO members. (some are repeats...but still!)

 

[excelsiorlef]

What was the worst PPV?

WCW Halloween Havoc 1995

WCW Starcade 1997

WWE / ECW December To Dismember 2006

WWF Wrestlemania IX

ECW DSD there's not even a so bad it's good element... it's just boring and moronically booked.


Also I'm pretty sure WCW fucking up Bret Hart can be traced to Hogan.

 

[Hex]

give jinder the win tonight

I agree with you.
I think he has alot of potential

 

[spindashing]

RIP to Rosey, damn. I remember him from 3 Minute Warning as well as his stint as The Hurricane's sidekick.

Take care of yourselves, y'all...

 

[Tagyhag]

I like how that list says Scott Steiner was a founding member AND joined in Dec. 1999.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

lmao




buy out those territories vince


put out one AJ Styles DVD and make all of your money back

Pretty sure he is saying they're buying out Broken Matt, not the company

 

[Zach]

I thought the nWo was already starting to lose its steam by 97. I didn't think the nWo had that much longevity to it (and in hindsight it kind of didn't since after SC'97 is when everything started to get really stupid). Ending the nWo before it really started to overstay its welcome would have been a really good decision. You also need to remember that the nWo had been around for a year and a half already by the time Starccade 1997 rolled around - that's three times longer than The Corporation lasted in WWE. The nWo lasting in power for almost 3 years would have been way too long.

The nWo was still a big deal going into 1998. If you would've killed it off at Starrcade '97, I think some people would've been unsatisfied. But 1998 could've been a year dedicated to the death of the nWo. Like a brick-by-brick sort of thing after toppling Hogan at Starrcade '97. I dunno.

 

[SallyIsNow]

What was the worst PPV?

WCW Halloween Havoc 1995

WCW Starcade 1997

WWE / ECW December To Dismember 2006

WWF Wrestlemania IX

Mania 32

 

[Sephzilla]

The nWo was still a big deal going into 1998. If you would've killed it off at Starrcade '97, I think some people would've been unsatisfied. But 1998 could've been a year dedicated to the death of the nWo. Like a brick-by-brick sort of thing after toppling Hogan at Starrcade '97. I dunno.

Then you have the nWo disband for a year or so after 97 and then bring them back for an Empire Strikes Back storyline or something

 

[jmdajr]

It was all over after Virgil joined.

Guess they were doing DiBiase a favor?

 

[excelsiorlef]

I like how that list says Scott Steiner was a founding member AND joined in Dec. 1999.

Two different NWOs
Steiner was a founding member of NWO Elite (red and white combined)

Steiner joined NWO 2000 in Dec 1999

There were technically 4 NWOs

OG
Wolfpac
Elite
2000

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

WCW would still be alive had Bischoff know what he had in Steve Austin.

That's gotta be one of the biggest kick yourself in the pants moments ever.

WCW would still be alive if he didn't give Nash & Hogan all the creative control

 

[Kaladin]

Mania 32

32 was better than IX.

 

[Tagyhag]

Two different NWOs
Steiner was a founding member of NWO Elite (red and white combined)

Steiner joined NWO 2000 in Dec 1999

There were technically 4 NWOs

OG
Wolfpac
Elite
2000

Well that's not confusing at all

 

[Bluekaveli]

That ref looks like Red from Pineapple Express

Red lol! I need to watch that again.

 

[Sephzilla]

Two different NWOs
Steiner was a founding member of NWO Elite (red and white combined)

Steiner joined NWO 2000 in Dec 1999

There were technically 4 NWOs

OG
Wolfpac
Elite
2000

What about WWE nWo ?

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

32 was better than IX.

A lot of the early Mania's were pretty shite.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

WCW would still be alive if he didn't give Nash & Hogan all the creative control

Those two were the ones that caused the most damage with Russo coming in third place.

 

[jmdajr]

NWO TIMELINE on ANGELFIRE.COM!

 

[Bluekaveli]

32 was better than IX.

Nope 32 and 16 were the worst. IX is top 10.

 

[Sephzilla]

A lot of the early Mania's were pretty shite.

I actually think WrestleMania 8 is a really solid Mania aside from Hogan/Sid

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

What about WWE nWo ?

what about nWo Japan?

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

#HotTake: Wrestlemania 7 is the best of the first 12.

 

[excelsiorlef]

What about WWE nWo ?

Was talking WCW given that list seems to be just for WCW

 

[Sephzilla]

Shoot: While I actually like the Hollywood Hogan character, he always looked so out of place next to Hall and Nash. It always struck me as

 

[jmdajr]

#HotTake: Wrestlemania 7 is the best of the first 12.

Macho Man vs Warrior is VERY good. At least to me. That's story telling right there.

 

[Kaladin]

What about WWE nWo ?

What about the TNA nWo?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

The fact that TNA was trying to do Monday Night Wars 2.0 was embarrassing.

 

[Caderfix]

give jinder the win tonight

Why, Batsie, why?

What about the TNA nWo?

Uff... I stopped watching TNA before that. It was a good decision.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Macho Man vs Warrior is VERY good. At least to me. That's story telling right there.

Hell yeah. I rank that match above Savage/Steamboat and #3 overall for WM matches. I also love the blindfold match and think, disgusting background aside, the main event is one of Hogan's better WM matches.

What about the TNA nWo?

Brazzers.

 

[FlammableD]

boots would be proud i'm watching some garbage

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Does WWE still act like they won the wars? I mean they did, but WCW did more to lose than WWE did.

 

[Sephzilla]

The fact that TNA was trying to do Monday Night Wars 2.0 was embarrassing.

I love that the moved to Mondays and got completely bitchslapped for it

Does WWE still act like they won the wars? I mean they did, but WCW did more to lose than WWE did.

WWE acts like they defeated WCW when the reality is that WCW defeated WCW

 

[jmdajr]

The fact that TNA was trying to do Monday Night Wars 2.0 was embarrassing.

I remember watching the first episode.

 

[Kaladin]

The fact that TNA was trying to do Monday Night Wars 2.0 was embarrassing.

Vince squashed it in swift order by bringing Bret Hart back.

 

[excelsiorlef]

NWO TIMELINE on ANGELFIRE.COM!

March 20, 2000 Nitro: In a match where Scott Steiner & Jeff Jarrett takes on Sid & Hulk Hogan, Sid turns on Hogan where he chokeslams and pins him.

This is entirely accurate btw....

It's literally a tag match where Sid pins his partner to win the match, the ref counts, the bell rings, granted Sid threatened the ref but they treat it as a win...

Also Madden basically clearly knows the turn is coming and telegraphs it to the point of obnoxiousness.

WCW 2000 Brother

 

[jmdajr]

WWE acts like they defeated WCW when the reality is that WCW defeated WCW

The biggest victory was for sure the buyout. Without the buyout it probbaly wouldn't feel like they won.

 

[ReiGun]

Does WWE still act like they won the wars? I mean they did, but WCW did more to lose than WWE did.

From the "30 for 30" on the XFL. Vince will never let people forget he won.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

The biggest victory was for sure the buyout. Without the buyout it probbaly wouldn't feel like they won.

Yep. If the buyout didn't happen then WCW would've been around in some way. I guess TNA could be considered that in a way.

 

[Kaladin]

From the "30 for 30" on the XFL. Vince will never let people forget he won.

I would never let people forget my biggest accomplishment either. With the defeat of WCW, he took over an industry.

 

[Barrage]

I think what really makes me laugh is WCW redoing the Hogan/Sting match on Nitro the next night but not showing the finish (lol), and then doing a proper rematch at Superbrawl where Hogan once again gets most of the offense (loooool) and doesn't lose until Savage hits him with a spray can (LOOOOOOOOL)

Not to mention them doing absolutely nitbung with Bret Hart, when interest in him and the Screwjob were at a fever pitch. WCWs booking of Bret made WWEs use of CM Punk look masterful.