excelsiorlef
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It was a calculated risk debuting them in front of a smark crowd ready to pop for every good surprise
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Who is my boyfriend?
It was a calculated risk debuting them in front of a smark crowd ready to pop for every good surprise
Look at the adjective.
Exactly. They know how to be heels. There's certain things guys that can get them some boos. Neville for example last night, he was going for the Red Arrow and everyone got hyped but he said fuck it and went for his submission. Everyone then booed him, that's a great heel.
Nah older pic taken last year.
excelsiorlef
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Missed that...
I've shit on plenty things the WWE has done, I've stopped watching in the past.
I just strive for accuracy. Such as occasional cannot equal 2/3rds
Just rewatching bits of RAW on youtube and the Finn return really highlights how great the presentation of him is. His theme is great, the "dun dun" heartbeat fulfills the iconic opening sound requirement, the lighting and entrance graphics are cool, and he comes out with his leather jacket and his arm waving that the crowd does with him, it's all really good. And that is just his regular normal Finn intro.
By contrast, it also highlights that despite all they push him, the presentation of Reigns actually really sucks. His music is boring and it's just the Shield's remixed, his entrance is boring, he just walks to the ring, his vest is stupid and there's no interesting lighting or graphics for him, etc.
I'm not crapping on Reigns here, I'm saying even though WWE want him to be their new top guy, they've totally failed to give him a really iconic entrance like every top guy has had. Rollins and Ambrose have the same problem. You know Stone Cold's entrance, you know Cena's entrance. Nakamura's entrance is a big part of his popularity, he even says so himself. Let's not get started on Roode.
By contrast, it also highlights that despite all they push him, the presentation of Reigns actually really sucks. His music is boring and it's just the Shield's remixed, his entrance is boring, he just walks to the ring, his vest is stupid and there's no interesting lighting or graphics for him, etc.
I'm not crapping on Reigns here, I'm saying even though WWE want him to be their new top guy, they've totally failed to give him a really iconic entrance like every top guy has had. Rollins and Ambrose have the same problem. You know Stone Cold's entrance, you know Cena's entrance. Nakamura's entrance is a big part of his popularity, he even says so himself. Let's not get started on Roode.
For his career longevity I definitely would prefer a different finisher
Missed that...
I've shit on plenty things the WWE has done, I've stopped watching in the past.
I just strive for accuracy. Such as occasional cannot equal 2/3rds
I bet a RAW and/or Smackdown Live superstar has competed on their sister brand's "exclusive" PPV before, and if I find out that happened, you're in deep trouble, excelsiorleaf.
You're wrong in this case.
Neville for example last night, he was going for the Red Arrow and everyone got hyped but he said fuck it and went for his submission. Everyone then booed him, that's a great heel. Styles for example say it were him. He would have used his forearm rather than saying "you know what, screw it" and the forearm would get people hype rather than him doing something else like a submission.
Owens for example, say he's going to the top rope for something, he'd immediately stop that to get boos, he'd leave the ring to get boos, he knows how to get boos but Styles doesn't do that. Owens always finds a way to get people to boo him no matter how loved he is. When you see Styles come to the ring, he hears the fans chanting for him and he actually relishes in the chants. You see him. You don't see Styles insult the fans, you don't see Styles toning down his moveset like Neville and Owens to get cheers because they are better heels than he is. Styles uses all sorts of high-flying moves and his moveset in general is hype for the crowd. As a heel it's your job to get people to boo you. He's just not doing his job in that which is something he himself acknowledges he needs to get better in. Idk what to tell you but if the man himself says that then it's more obvious.
Styles just isn't a good heel no matter how much people like him.
BewareTheBatsie
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I agree with that last part. I find Reigns, Ambrose and Rollins to have themes you could slap on a jobber and no one would notice the difference.
Ambrose walks out, does a bit of a sidewalk and stares at the audience, then enters the ring. Rollins walks out when the lights turn, raises his arms a bit and then enters the ring. Roman walks out, climbs the turnbuckle, arms raised high in the air then enters the ring.
The Shield had a great entrance but each member individually have the most jobber entrances ever.
BewareTheBatsie
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Owens until recently after the turn on Jericho annoyed me as a heel. Dude was constantly doing shit that looked like he was pandering to the crowd for obvious pops.
To be fair, people cheer even when AJ does the Calf Crusher.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Roman's iconic entrance was coming through the crowd
excelsiorlef
Member
They've done an excellent job keeping them separated.
excelsiorlef
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And his other option is the Styles Clash which is a move so relatively lame that only AJ can get it over
SallyIsNow
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#NotMyChampion
That was the Shield's entrance. It's like when X-Pac just clung on to DX's entrance instead of doing his own thing.
Damn Silly
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Read that article and it's a very fun perspective to see. I particularly liked this bit right at the start though.
First time ever and she's already carny enough.
First time ever and she's already carny enough.
Why do I feel like you're hiding something...?
HashtagLapsed
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I hope Aleister Black does well in WWE.
I assumed when he took the name Aleister he was referencing Crowley but it was still funny to hear commentary talking about how he follows the law of Thelema.
I've been involved with Thelema as a religion or philosophy for over a decade so it will be fun to see how WWE represents it.
I assumed when he took the name Aleister he was referencing Crowley but it was still funny to hear commentary talking about how he follows the law of Thelema.
I've been involved with Thelema as a religion or philosophy for over a decade so it will be fun to see how WWE represents it.
Vince didn't give a shit about anything last night. Almost as if he wasn't playing a character...
I watched NJPW once if it helps?
I watched NJPW once if it helps?
Yeah. In AJ's case, the only time people really boo him is when he insults them.
In the ring he's just so hard to want to boo.
excelsiorlef
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Look for yourself.
RecRoulette
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The Demon sucks.
BewareTheBatsie
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You can tell from his entrance WWE have big plans for him.
That's right. Forgot about this shoot book.
SallyIsNow
Banned
You can help this, Beefy!
He's boring as all fuck. Passable in the ring on the HHH scale, sub-par on the mic. People like Benoit, Bryan, and Malenko weren't great on the mic, but they had phenomenal in-ing ability to justify it. Balor has jack shit. He makes me appreciate Reigns.
I bet you anything that if Styles was going for the Phenomenal Forearm and then said "fuck it fuck you fans" and did something else that looked lamer people would boo him. Styles has too many cool moves and it's up to him as the "heel" to get people to boo him but he just doesn't do it. I'd seen Ambrose of all people, someone who people love to trash, change his moveset up from heel to face, even get at the fans. We just don't see Styles do near the amount of things as a heel as guys like Neville, Owens, Ambrose, Jericho, I mean when the man himself says he needs to be a better heel there's nothing people can say to that.
Neville's so great at it because even he, someone who's moveset is CAW-like, changed his moves up just to get that heel heat. Styles just ain't doing it.
You can help this, Beefy!
I'll pass man, they aren't my type.
excelsiorlef
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Styles could wrestle like Neville and still get pops.. fuck Styles does wrestle like Neville only better.
Neville still flies around, he still does the Red Arrow... I mean he literally did it the night before.
People aren't popping for a movset, they are popping for how fucking good AJ is at... everything... He's good at everything... The Phenomenal Forearm is arguably not even his most over move.. that's the shittier looking Styles Clash that is still over despite being a glorified 2 count spot now...
Sure maaaaybe if Styles wrestled like say Randy Orton at his laziest he might get heat but then what's the point?
Do you know what a heel is lol?
Tom Nook
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This guy is a star. Based on his look with the tattoos and all, he's the guy Baron Corbin should've been.
Bye Corbin.
excelsiorlef
Member
If (and a big if because fans would probably just get mad at WWE instead) he just wrestled shittier matches he might get heel heat but AJ Styles wrestling like a lazy Randy Orton just to get boos would be a waste of AJ Styles is my point...
Do you not understand that AJ Styles is a guy that people don't want to hate....
Do you think if Roman Reigns right now just did better face work people would start loving him?
It's not just a matter of changing a few moves and he'd get boos, the dude does everything good. He's the best wrestler this company has had possibly ever.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
You can help this, Beefy!
He's boring as all fuck. Passable in the ring on the HHH scale, sub-par on the mic. People like Benoit, Bryan, and Malenko weren't great on the mic, but they had phenomenal in-ing ability to justify it. Balor has jack shit. He makes me appreciate Reigns.
You do know that HHH is/was one of the best workers in the company right?
excelsiorlef
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He was good, reliable, good but rarely great, he is the actual B+ Player.
The ultimate B+.
HashtagLapsed
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I hope so and think you are right.
Regal in interviews always talks about eyes andnif you dont believe in yourself people see it in your eyes and what you are doing probably wont work.
He looks like he believes in himself in a kinda scary way. Hopefully he does well.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Idk he does little things that makes me appreciate his talent. Watch SummerSlam 2000 after Angle got legit concussed. He has good ability to improv a match and would really be the guy I want to fake punch me in the face if I had a concussion.
Barrage
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We'll see. Corbin can talk.
yes he is!
Only a good heel can get away with constantly begging the crowd to get excited about his match.
excelsiorlef
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That's why I said good and reliable... He doesn't have bad matches like basically ever against anyone not named Kevin Nash or Scott Steiner
But literally his biggest run at the top was horrible... The Reign of Terror on Raw basically killed that show for several years and it is amazing Orton recovered
It's true, it's damn true.
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