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May Wrasslin' |OT| Maytember to Threadember
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I would be okay with this.
shanafan
Member
Started watching WCW in 1998, so my only knowledge of him during the 90s was his run in WWF as the Allied Powers, and as the Narcissist.
Basically, they had him win every week for like 2 years straight and somehow...he was extremely over because of this. Huge ass pops every week.
That is fucking awesome.
I love this Corbin squashing indies gimmick.
I hope he is calling members of the audience fat and ugly like at takeover.
Bluekaveli
Member
I have a feeling we're getting canned with that title.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Nah, the bad stuff only tends to happen to the companies. Seeing as how it's WWE-related, and Seth's coming back that month, my guess is he's going to immediately reinjure himself and be out for the year #Pray4DM
Professor Beef
Banned
You mean they aren't?
Bluekaveli
Member
I'm trying not to laugh at this but it's funny for some reason.
Bjork, what game were you playing btw?
Mr. Enigma
Member
Lex Luger was actually a really deep character when he came back to WCW in 1995. He wasn't a heel (he slapped hands with fans on the way to the ring, etc.), but he clearly wasn't going to be a babyface bro to Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. Despite that, Sting was clearly going to stay Luger's friend no matter what. Hogan and Savage would get furious with Sting about Luger, but they never got physical.
Whenever the Dungeon of Doom would attack the babyfaces (even Sting), Luger would never come out to help. When Luger was out there and they attacked, they never once put their hands on Luger and just ignored him.
Then he aligned with Jimmy Hart, who was also with the Dungeon after turning on Hogan, but Luger wanted nothing to do with the Dungeon.
Then he won the tag titles with Sting and wrestled like a heel, but acted like Sting's genuine best friend in the world. All the while when he wasn't tagging with Sting, he was managed by Jimmy Hart still in singles matches.
For about 6 months, there was a well-built tension between everybody wondering if Luger, who was clearly against Hogan and Savage in a professional way (he never attacked them backstage or with the Dungeon or anything like that) but was Sting's best friend, would eventually explode and go total heel on everyone. But he never did. Then the nWo thing started and all of his heel/face ambiguity went away once it was clear he wasn't the mysterious "third man."
No. But I don't count that as ECW.
Whenever the Dungeon of Doom would attack the babyfaces (even Sting), Luger would never come out to help. When Luger was out there and they attacked, they never once put their hands on Luger and just ignored him.
Then he aligned with Jimmy Hart, who was also with the Dungeon after turning on Hogan, but Luger wanted nothing to do with the Dungeon.
Then he won the tag titles with Sting and wrestled like a heel, but acted like Sting's genuine best friend in the world. All the while when he wasn't tagging with Sting, he was managed by Jimmy Hart still in singles matches.
For about 6 months, there was a well-built tension between everybody wondering if Luger, who was clearly against Hogan and Savage in a professional way (he never attacked them backstage or with the Dungeon or anything like that) but was Sting's best friend, would eventually explode and go total heel on everyone. But he never did. Then the nWo thing started and all of his heel/face ambiguity went away once it was clear he wasn't the mysterious "third man."
No. But I don't count that as ECW.
some wrestling game that showed up in the top-grossing list of the JP app store. I already uninstalled it, it was like 1.3GB. I need room for other stuff, heh.
Bluekaveli
Member
1.3 hell no. I'll pass. I should get a fire pro game since I have the emulators on my phone.
This should be s great conversation starter but what's the biggest wrestling mystery, you'd love to have solved?
Mine, Brody's death. I stumble upon this topic a lot and I often push it back at times due to its spooky nature when researching.
As you all know many people suspect that Carlos Colon had something to do with it, well I just read something that has kinda helped me make up my mind that he knows what happened.
the legit reason for Macho/Vince fallout.
shaowebb
Member
Just saw Nakamura vs Blake at WWE AXXESS on youtube. Holy shit Nakamura its okay to just squash someone when they're that fucking lazy. 2 minutes before he'd even lock hands and 6 minutes before he did his first move and a pin attempt after both of the 2 moves he did? Heck he went for a rope break on an arm wringer instead of even doing a back and forth.
Dude was shit. Nakamura should've just squashed and walked if all the guy was gonna add to the match was rest spots and dull. If you can't respond to universal spots fed to you to do a little bit of back and forth then dont fucking try to expect the other guy to put them over. Bury them. One of the first things I was taught to protect the quality of your matches is don't let a jobber dictate your pace. They either learn to keep up or can get left behind.
Dude was shit. Nakamura should've just squashed and walked if all the guy was gonna add to the match was rest spots and dull. If you can't respond to universal spots fed to you to do a little bit of back and forth then dont fucking try to expect the other guy to put them over. Bury them. One of the first things I was taught to protect the quality of your matches is don't let a jobber dictate your pace. They either learn to keep up or can get left behind.
Pretty sure it was that Macho wanted to wrestle and Vince wanted him to stay retired. Vince even wished him luck on TV when he left.
There are so many theories. The stephanie thing, the "vince got mad because macho took the slim jim sponsorship with him" and so on.
It would seem strange that he didn't want Macho to be wrestling despite his reputation for being top-tier, yet giving Lawler/Piper a main event in the same year and bringing Jake back in for another go-round. I would imagine it's a mixture of things, but I suppose nowadays, only Vince can say for sure.
I really think it's the simple explanation here. JR has explained the entire reason they wanted him off Raw was that they don't want the announcing to sound "too Southern". Vince just makes edicts like that, and it's it.
Vince made his decision, wasn't going to let the talent out of it, Macho let his contract run out and signed with WCW so he could wrestle again. I believe he was the only wrestler that got well wished when they left by Vince.
Dick Justice
Banned
Because Owens wasn't dumb enough to show off his shitty physique in the first place.
funkystudent
Member
That doesn't explain why macho was never brought back when it seemed like Vince was bringing everyone he passed off back.
Even the Meltz doesn't rule out the infamous rumours as the real reason.
I could also easily see it as a rumour that got out of hand that was based on something else entirely. Maybe Savage just never wanted to return to the E after wcw died and wanted to lay low and retire for real
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Nobody wants to see that.
Bluekaveli
Member
I think it was the combination of
Vince had a battle royal with old timers and it featured a lot of his fathers friends. Randy asked Vince to include his dad and Vince didn't. That was the beginning. Randy's brother said that he's a big family man and for all that he had done for Vince, he asked of one small favour and Vince wouldn't do it. Randy started to do things for himself after that moment, fuck the company.
Next, the new gen movement. As you know how that went, well Randy wanted to wrestle and he wanted one big program with big HBK then he was going to go retire and go to the desk for good. Vince pushed it away and Randy hated how Vince kept putting an emphasis on "old".
So on Vince's end, I think it had to do with them being so class. They were family close and Randy walked away from him. Vince allowed him in his home to stay, Randy was like an uncle to Steph and Shane. Then for him to leave out on Vince, Vince took it personal.
So that's when he did the Nacho Man shit and Randy's bro said he really really hated. That was almost the final straw on Randy's half. He was sensitive about his age and his looks. They made fun of his bald head lol.
So they were actually trying to bring him back, there was superstar hotline rumour about this. I forgot which survivor series it was, I think it was 96', they were trying to get Randy back but instead they got Snuka.
So it's a personal problem within that caused them to break up. Like Lex Luger, he just jumped and left Vince high and dry. You know it should've been Lex inducting Sting, noy Flair but Vince is still hurt over that.
I don't think the Stephanie rumour is true.
mariachi507
Member
I prefer Luger's win to Goldberg's. Schiavone was great in both though.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah early 2000s CZW is some of the best entertainment on planet.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
That seems interesting to hear.
I think Macho would have gotten back eventually. I think Warrior coming back thawed a lot of the relationships, because Vince was showing he'd shake hands with anyone again.
At the time, IIRC, Macho was focusing on obtaining and licensing Gorgeous George footage and merchandise because he loved the shit out of him.
Bluekaveli
Member
WM 20 Randy and Hogan wanted to do something kinda like a good bye to their generation. Vince turned it down. I'll see if I can find the website I read this on.
The case has been laid out pretty well going by some disturbing things Macho Man said in various forms, the fact that Vince wouldn't even hear about it when he tried to talk to him in 1996 and 2001+, a couple of things Stephanie and HHH have said. There's fire with all that smoke.
Fact is Vince has worked with murderers and rapists before when it made him money, why not Macho Man? He was literally the second biggest nostalgia act around in the early 2000's.
Fact is Vince has worked with murderers and rapists before when it made him money, why not Macho Man? He was literally the second biggest nostalgia act around in the early 2000's.
Bluekaveli
Member
Hrmmmm what if Brody actually was able to sabotage Mania like it's said he was going to? If they did a movie on the true story of Mania would they talk about what lead to the idea, the day of, etc? I don't understand that one.
dream
Member
Aii, as you've undoubtedly seen over the years, instead of arguing contrary positions, wrestling gaf likes to silence dissenting opinions. Often times they do so by accusing dissenters of being "gimmick posters." This is an incredibly intellectually-lazy strategy, and I think it stems from the fact that wrestling gaffers believe they are tastemakers when it comes to pro wrestling, and opinions that run contrary to theirs could potentially undermine their positions as "experts" in pro wrestling.
NeoGAF is not a hivemind, but wrestling gaf certainly is. Stand your ground, my friend,
Ninja Scooter
Member
ACH's ass makes me uncomfortable
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I really like Table for 3 videos on the Network.
sf2fanatic
Member
I expecting this all over again soon
https://youtu.be/nZnHTpLnf-M
https://youtu.be/nZnHTpLnf-M
SallyIsNow
Banned
Except it'll be Buff Bagwell returning
sf2fanatic
Member
Don't be playing with Ninja Scooters emotions like that.
pretty sure that was just a friendly exhibition match for wrestlemania axxcess, not for the nxt show itself, don't think they would go all out for something like that.
Bluekaveli
Member
Apparently Hell Angels showed up at WM 1 and demanded to be seated. Linda McMahon sat them backstage since there weren't any extra seats.
Fuck, I just want to sit down with Vince and have him spill every secret to me.
Fuck, I just want to sit down with Vince and have him spill every secret to me.
dream
Member
It's not real, shaowebb.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I need to find a good Rey Mysterio avatar now.
Bluekaveli
Member
Holy hell, Mr. Fuji fed Harold Sakata his dogs head. How in the fuck do you live with that?
dream
Member
Yes. I've been saying for years that RKO is the best pro wrestler in the world, just slightly ahead of Shinsuke Nakamura. But the wrestling gaf hivemind just accuses me of gimmick posting because he's not an indie darling.
SallyIsNow
Banned
If they were gonna take it right away why even make Rey WWE champ?