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April Wrasslin |OT| D.Brine collects his P45
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So are you excited or not excited about that possibility?
Well yeah Attitude era was kinda shit. I dunno I would rather have a three minute match with an ending than a 30 minute match with run in finisher every single week. Yep that sounds like TNA to me.
JoMo apparently won't high five Trish Stratus, but has no problem doing the job to Jessica Alba.
I wonder how Melina feels about this.
I figure this is a rhetorical question.
I wonder how Melina feels about this.
I figure this is a rhetorical question.
He reminds me more Rick Martel than JBL. Only the car thing is similar to Bradshaw. The arrogance and Ricardo's charm bring out the character more. The destiny stuff should be washed away. Vince and Co already ruined that.
Watching the week in FCW, JR/Regal on commentary, plus Cesaro and Steamboat working 20 minutes. Pretty good, I say.
It's sad. Jim and William call the moves, talk history on the moves themselves, and the wrestlers. But then you listen to 3 minutes of a RAW and you get a bunch of Twitter news, weekly reminders how WWE gets more viewers or Facebook fans than x company, etc. Such garbage.
Watching the week in FCW, JR/Regal on commentary, plus Cesaro and Steamboat working 20 minutes. Pretty good, I say.
It's sad. Jim and William call the moves, talk history on the moves themselves, and the wrestlers. But then you listen to 3 minutes of a RAW and you get a bunch of Twitter news, weekly reminders how WWE gets more viewers or Facebook fans than x company, etc. Such garbage.
Everyone knows Facebook likes == ratings.
I give this week SD:
1 out of 3 Vinces.
+Some said the show was about Sheamus, I think the main focus is still Bryan, and the AJ/Bryan story is far from over, as many people were spurting out last week. They're not building a face here, people, they're building up a heel.
+Kane being a sucker for family reunions was the other highlight of the night.
-Disappointed about Ambrose not debuting last night.
-Everything else, just the usual shtick by Vince.
Wondering about next week's SD, since it's from London, Vince might still have his hand on it, so not waiting for an improvement until 2 weeks time.
1 out of 3 Vinces.
+Some said the show was about Sheamus, I think the main focus is still Bryan, and the AJ/Bryan story is far from over, as many people were spurting out last week. They're not building a face here, people, they're building up a heel.
+Kane being a sucker for family reunions was the other highlight of the night.
-Disappointed about Ambrose not debuting last night.
-Everything else, just the usual shtick by Vince.
Wondering about next week's SD, since it's from London, Vince might still have his hand on it, so not waiting for an improvement until 2 weeks time.
NFL NETWORK-There aren't many differences between Cena and Tebow
-this is actually pretty good / humorous
Most prized individual title: Cena:9 time WWE CHAMPION, Tebow: Heisman Trophy winner. "Advantage-Cena. One's a fake, made-up title nobody takes seriously. The other is the WWE title."
"Refuses to turn heel: Cena: Yes Tebow: Yes "Both handle their haters the same way, with a smile -- which makes them more hated"
there is also a shoutout to your man.. Daniel Bryan!
-this is actually pretty good / humorous
Most prized individual title: Cena:9 time WWE CHAMPION, Tebow: Heisman Trophy winner. "Advantage-Cena. One's a fake, made-up title nobody takes seriously. The other is the WWE title."
"Refuses to turn heel: Cena: Yes Tebow: Yes "Both handle their haters the same way, with a smile -- which makes them more hated"
there is also a shoutout to your man.. Daniel Bryan!
That is phenomenal .. good to know a solid wrasslin fan writing for the NFL network.
I don't know or couldn't care less who the fake-football dude is, but the write up is pretty funny nonetheless.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Having just came through 1994-2000 over the last year or so of rewatching wrestling, I think the only major change is the amount of face time the 'supporting' characters received has decreased.
No-one gets that 30 seconds of screen time to get their character over anymore. I don't think it helps that the 3 shows are no longer linked together and are seemingly seperate entities. Back in the 'Attitude Era' (if you like) all the WWF shows (Raw, Shotgun, Heat/Raw, Heat/Raw, Smackdown, Heat) linked into each other somewhat, and recapped briefly so right there you had 10 hours or so a week to get a host of characters across on the screen.
Now you have each show as its own thing, with a few select wrestlers appearing on Raw and Smackdown (and seemingly no-one from Superstars or NXT appearing anywhere near Raw or Smackdown). People had a natural progression and decline about their time on the programs, no one was 'THE MAIN GUY' for 6-12 months straight.
Bret Hart was for a little while.
HBK was for a little while.
Undertaker was for a little while.
Then HBK again.
Then Austin.
Then Vince McMahon & The Undertaker.
Then Austin again.
Then the Rock.
Then Mankind.
Then the Rock again.
Then HHH OUT OF NOWHERE!
It kept people interested and engaged. I suppose it helps that they were all fighting for 1 title (even then the title was a by-story to the main story). Even when a new guy came into the main title picture, he had a bit of history as he had been feuding in the IC scene previously (Rock v Austin for IC title a year or 2 before their feud for the HW Title. HHH v Mankind likewise)
On top of that you had a bit of variety to your programs.
Tag team matches.
Skits.
Single matches.
30 second 1 person promos.
Huge dramas.
Hardcore matches.
Even then I'm not sure there was much more wrestling back then as there currently is now.
I wouldn't say the storylines were better, or the wrestling was even better. The crowds were better though. They made everything seem important and amazing. Drunken students will want to enjoy and have a good time. I guess it also helped that they actually built up stories leading into the PPVs.
No-one gets that 30 seconds of screen time to get their character over anymore. I don't think it helps that the 3 shows are no longer linked together and are seemingly seperate entities. Back in the 'Attitude Era' (if you like) all the WWF shows (Raw, Shotgun, Heat/Raw, Heat/Raw, Smackdown, Heat) linked into each other somewhat, and recapped briefly so right there you had 10 hours or so a week to get a host of characters across on the screen.
Now you have each show as its own thing, with a few select wrestlers appearing on Raw and Smackdown (and seemingly no-one from Superstars or NXT appearing anywhere near Raw or Smackdown). People had a natural progression and decline about their time on the programs, no one was 'THE MAIN GUY' for 6-12 months straight.
Bret Hart was for a little while.
HBK was for a little while.
Undertaker was for a little while.
Then HBK again.
Then Austin.
Then Vince McMahon & The Undertaker.
Then Austin again.
Then the Rock.
Then Mankind.
Then the Rock again.
Then HHH OUT OF NOWHERE!
It kept people interested and engaged. I suppose it helps that they were all fighting for 1 title (even then the title was a by-story to the main story). Even when a new guy came into the main title picture, he had a bit of history as he had been feuding in the IC scene previously (Rock v Austin for IC title a year or 2 before their feud for the HW Title. HHH v Mankind likewise)
On top of that you had a bit of variety to your programs.
Tag team matches.
Skits.
Single matches.
30 second 1 person promos.
Huge dramas.
Hardcore matches.
Even then I'm not sure there was much more wrestling back then as there currently is now.
I wouldn't say the storylines were better, or the wrestling was even better. The crowds were better though. They made everything seem important and amazing. Drunken students will want to enjoy and have a good time. I guess it also helped that they actually built up stories leading into the PPVs.
The WWE just has too much to promote nowadays. The vast majority of RAW is now just a giant commercial for movies, merchandise, plugs from sponsors, guest hosts. They also always seem to waste the last 30 minutes before the main event with recaps and videos. Mick Foley once said during one of those Legend roundtables that when they were competing with WCW, Vince was obsessed with always having action going on. You couldn't go more than 30 seconds without something engaging, because they were afraid people would switch to WCW.
He said that he noticed that the WWE has no real problem wasting time anymore. It's a byproduct of lack of competition. Truthfully, however, they have more competition than ever, but refuse to acknowledge it.
He said that he noticed that the WWE has no real problem wasting time anymore. It's a byproduct of lack of competition. Truthfully, however, they have more competition than ever, but refuse to acknowledge it.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Yeah, I'd agree with that. The 30 seconds for someone to get their character over has been replaced with 'Guest Host' spots and trying to sell me a Rey Mysterio Supersoak that doesn't come with a Rey Mysterio.
The wrestlers were better, so more often the characters, stories, and matches were better. At least in the 1997-2001 time. Vince had some wacky guys in the 1994-1995 time. Even so, in that time your top guys were generally Shawn, Bret, Razor, Taker, Diesel, Bulldog, and a decent tag division (Owen was the most popular guy from that).
Mr. Luchador
Member
We have good wrestlers now, but they're not allowed to do anything, which I guess is another issue. Everyone has the same move set, and in some cases the same finisher. Put that alongside everyone being the same toned down midddle of the road characters. Its rather boring and nobody really stands out.
Which is why Lesnar's return actually surprised me as he came back and had so much energy and conviction in his attacks. Really was a holy shit he means business moment. I bought into the whole thing. That's all I want. I want to be tricked and fooled and allowed to suspend me belief while I watch these guys fight. I know its not real. Just help me switch off and enjoy it - don't remind me its a TV show and these guys are just actors/characters.
British Monsoon
Member
Because it's deviated too far from the generation that made them a fan in the first place, and not necessarily for the better.
cr_blah_blah
Member
and apparently Smackdown is mostly used to recap what happened on Raw, which was already recapped on Raw immediately after whatever happened, later in the hour, and again a couple of more times in the 2nd hour. Then Big Show comes out and recaps what he did the week before recapping the week before that.
Rawception.
Mr. Luchador
Member
This separate brand thing.
If I don't like Smackdown I'm not going to watch it. There's no reason to watch it. Nothing from Raw carries over onto it. Very rarely anything that happens on Smackdown crosses over onto Raw. If it does I get a recap anyway.
Do they still do that WWE Vault Classic match that takes up about 15 minutes of screen time on Smackdown?
No one recaps Superstars or NXT. They may as well not exist as shows.
If I don't like Smackdown I'm not going to watch it. There's no reason to watch it. Nothing from Raw carries over onto it. Very rarely anything that happens on Smackdown crosses over onto Raw. If it does I get a recap anyway.
Do they still do that WWE Vault Classic match that takes up about 15 minutes of screen time on Smackdown?
No one recaps Superstars or NXT. They may as well not exist as shows.
You rather watch John Cena, Triple H, and Randy Orton? Even so, the rest of them clearly overshadow the current product.
Agree with you Chris. Yeah, there's really talent everywhere. The better ones are the guys getting 18-second, or the 3 minute matches, not the ones who put people to sleep like headlock Orton.
Over fucking Diesel?.. YES..I mean really?
Oh wait you included Triple H in there, well that shouldn't even be a question.
HHH>This Business
Mr. Luchador
Member
I used to be such a Diesel mark as a kid. 
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He looked cool. But lets face it he fucking sucks. Warrior was a million times better than him.
I can accept that, you rather watch them. Me personally, I rather watch paint dry, or watch some pigs breeding. It would be more entertaining.
Say what you will about Trips' backstage politics, the guy was an amazing heel and he still knows how to make a match flow.
Same goes for Orton, might be a dick backstage and sucks as a babyface, but the important matches he's in are always enjoyable. I mean, just look at last years run with Christian, those PPV matches frigging rocked.
Same goes for Orton, might be a dick backstage and sucks as a babyface, but the important matches he's in are always enjoyable. I mean, just look at last years run with Christian, those PPV matches frigging rocked.
Well lets see. Trips is still around putting on decent matches. Randy is still young could get even better (hopefully). Cena has been at it a decade without any problems. You can count on him.
Nash is fucking worthless. Scott Hall is due for an early grave. Davey Boy is already in it unfortunately.
Undertaker/Shawn ..hey they are still around in some capacity. We never really lost them and both carry a lot of respect.
Bret? Well his comeback sucked. It's too bad really. I still need to finish his book, but man did Shawn definitively come out on top on that one.
What a shame.
Nash is fucking worthless. Scott Hall is due for an early grave. Davey Boy is already in it unfortunately.
Undertaker/Shawn ..hey they are still around in some capacity. We never really lost them and both carry a lot of respect.
Bret? Well his comeback sucked. It's too bad really. I still need to finish his book, but man did Shawn definitively come out on top on that one.
What a shame.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Who is 65? Bret? 'Cause he's 54.
I'm not trying to discredit him. There is stuff that happened out of his control. But I don't think it's right to just out right crap on the current roster. History will tell, but a lot of them seem to be doing just fine.
Plus just to add people were here were fucking laughing their asses off when Bret fell down and tripped on that box in his recent return (or something like that..maybe the box fell on him)
I actually felt bad for the guy.
Agreed.
The only problem with the current roster is the booking. Simple as that. The mid-card is underutilized and the best of them never get their final push to the main event. New wrestlers get debuted without purpose and end up in the midcard or off the show alltogether. Whenever the crowd gets behind a guy that person gets buried quickly to not take focus of the current main guys (Hello Ryder) and lets not even begin to speak of how the women wrestlers are handled. Beth doesn't get featured at all and she's the champion. AJ wrestled two matches since last November and those were plot devices for Bryan's character, Natalya got a farting gimmick (that luckily went away quickly) and fucking Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox get more on-screen wrestling time then any of the women that actually know how to wrestle.
It's really not the wrestlers fault. It's all creative and Talent Relations that's a fault here.
Bring back J.R. as Talent Relations guy. Fire the soap-opera rejects and get some real old-school bookers in the mix.
Oh, and while we're at it, bring back Fink. Fire Cole and replace King with Regal/J.R.
The only problem with the current roster is the booking. Simple as that. The mid-card is underutilized and the best of them never get their final push to the main event. New wrestlers get debuted without purpose and end up in the midcard or off the show alltogether. Whenever the crowd gets behind a guy that person gets buried quickly to not take focus of the current main guys (Hello Ryder) and lets not even begin to speak of how the women wrestlers are handled. Beth doesn't get featured at all and she's the champion. AJ wrestled two matches since last November and those were plot devices for Bryan's character, Natalya got a farting gimmick (that luckily went away quickly) and fucking Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox get more on-screen wrestling time then any of the women that actually know how to wrestle.
It's really not the wrestlers fault. It's all creative and Talent Relations that's a fault here.
Bring back J.R. as Talent Relations guy. Fire the soap-opera rejects and get some real old-school bookers in the mix.
Oh, and while we're at it, bring back Fink. Fire Cole and replace King with Regal/J.R.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Thing is. Most people on the internet love to complain about the state of wrestling. Its their own form of entertainment. It'd be interesting to see how many of them read Meltzer style updates and blogs.
British Monsoon
Member
I'm reading through a chronological list of CZW fuck-ups from another board, shit's pretty amazing - here's just some of the highlights from this truly prestigious promotion's storied history;
I don't like the brand division anymore since they stopped separating RAW from SD and now it's just all WWE main stars on mondays and the main tier-B stars on fridays.
However since the brand division was applied, I always preferred SD over Raw, it usually has the better matches (2012 hasn't quite been like that, but up to last year it was), and less shit going around, bar the live Vince-shitfests. Most of the time it has had my favourite stars on it: Edge, Taker, Lesnar, JBL, ******, Batista, Punk, Christian and now Bryan.
Continuity within the shows would be a better thing now that they're lacking talent to keep both shows running on their own, but SD has been by far the best WWE TV show of the last 10 years.
Oh and last but no least, no Cena on my SD (besides recaps).
Man I don't read any of that shit. I like to form my own opinion. I did however liked that site I Want Wrestling because it interviewed a lot of former creative people and was interested in how the process works. Sure, I like the news too.
But I don't care about people telling me what I should like and shouldn't like. I feel people take that shit for gospel.
There are sometimes I watch the show without being here and the reactions are completely the opposite of mine. I think anyone here should be honest about what they like and don't like, and no one should give them too much shit about.
Mr. Luchador
Member
My opinion is kind of unbalanced as I missed Smackdown at its peak 2003-2007 of the brand split, as I had just stopped watching WWE altogether. Currently I feel like I'm not missing anything by not watching Smackdown. I feel like I might miss something by not watching Raw.
I'm the same. Much prefer to just watch it and talk to other people about it. Have no time for 'INSIDER KNOWLEDGE' telling me what is going to happen, what could have happened and what should have happened. Just have the impression that those who do live by the word of Meltzer style illiteracy tend to be the ones that dislike the current state of wrestling the most (as if mirroring what they're reading).
funkystudent
Member
CZW is so god damn stupid.
Also with the Bella's leaving would that mean that 2 other people might have there jobs saved?
I am sure WWE would have kept the twins around longer as long as they kept doing whatever it was they where doing that kept them in a job the last few years.
Maybe JTG will somehow continue working for them now.
Also with the Bella's leaving would that mean that 2 other people might have there jobs saved?
I am sure WWE would have kept the twins around longer as long as they kept doing whatever it was they where doing that kept them in a job the last few years.
Maybe JTG will somehow continue working for them now.
Cannot watch this without thinking of Conan pulling his lever thingy.
Thanks for that Maffew.