Whatever it is, it better involve Kane. It's fucking May 19th!
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spindashing
Banned
Bobo is so adorable.
dream
Member
Except Brock's significantly weaker now. He beat the shit out of Cena and Cena not only walked away, but won the fight. Plus, they actually had Brock cut a promo where he held the company up for more money. If that's not Vince getting his frustrations out at the expense of the product, I don't know what is.
plagiarize
Banned
who is this Taker guy? isn't he some old guy who shows up in a match about as often as Hacksaw Jim Duggan? Kane is an entertaining character who appears on TV multiple times a week and who is prepared to elevate other guys.
how many matches did Taker win in the last year?
On the mark side of me, fuck Bryan losing, fuck Jericho losing, and fuck Lesnar losing.
On the more rational side of me:
- Bryan losing was the right call because he's over as fuck, and as long as he keeps chasing he's fine. Sheamus needs the title to stay over for at least a little while longer.
- Jericho loss means nothing, and if they're ending the feud here, then it's fine. I just think i would have enjoyed Punk chasing for a little bit, and a rubber match between those two is more than welcome. But, ok fine, I'm not that angry.
- Lesnar losing... I don't know wtf they're up to, especially if Cena really is leaving for a bit. It makes no sense. On the other hand, the match was perfect in the sense that even in a loss, Cena's win looks like a fluke and Brock came out looking like a monster.
Overall, what a great PPV, and what a difference it makes to have generally good booking, coupled with giving every match the time it needs to tell a story. Every single match, down to the Diva's match, was filled with good psychology, and good storytelling. Bryan and Sheamus put on one of the best matches I've seen all year, and Jericho/Punk managed to match them with a damned street fight match. And to top it all off, as I said earlier, even the questionable PPV finish was at least done correctly by making Cena look lucky, and making Brock look amazing.
Absolutely great PPV overall. I am jealous of the GAFfers who made it there.
Edit: I sure did use the word "match" a lot. matchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatch
On the more rational side of me:
- Bryan losing was the right call because he's over as fuck, and as long as he keeps chasing he's fine. Sheamus needs the title to stay over for at least a little while longer.
- Jericho loss means nothing, and if they're ending the feud here, then it's fine. I just think i would have enjoyed Punk chasing for a little bit, and a rubber match between those two is more than welcome. But, ok fine, I'm not that angry.
- Lesnar losing... I don't know wtf they're up to, especially if Cena really is leaving for a bit. It makes no sense. On the other hand, the match was perfect in the sense that even in a loss, Cena's win looks like a fluke and Brock came out looking like a monster.
Overall, what a great PPV, and what a difference it makes to have generally good booking, coupled with giving every match the time it needs to tell a story. Every single match, down to the Diva's match, was filled with good psychology, and good storytelling. Bryan and Sheamus put on one of the best matches I've seen all year, and Jericho/Punk managed to match them with a damned street fight match. And to top it all off, as I said earlier, even the questionable PPV finish was at least done correctly by making Cena look lucky, and making Brock look amazing.
Absolutely great PPV overall. I am jealous of the GAFfers who made it there.
Edit: I sure did use the word "match" a lot. matchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatchmatch
Nocturnowl
Member
Actually he destroyed him once at WM20, WM14 actually ends with Kane beating down Taker after taking three tombstones like a champ.
plagiarize
Banned
in whose eyes? honest question. people know the matches are scripted. most that don't thought their super hero Cena would win anyway. if Cena is storyline injured for months, he didn't 'walk away'.
Yeah, you better run! You fucked up with this!
Also, you CAN NOT have Cena put over Brock because of the way they both treat the grind that comes with the business
Cena is loved by everyone in the locker room, because he puts up with the grind of the industry more than anyone else in the locker room. When he's filming movies for WWE studios, he's in the studio from like 5-11 AM, then gets on a plane to head to a few Make a Wish foundation kids and then to perform for house shows/RAW which take place in the late afternoon/evening, then he gets back on a plane at midnight to head back to the studios for movie shooting at 5, getting his sleep on the plane trips and in the brief hour/2 hour breaks he has between the plane trips and his filming/ wrestling events.
Everyone looks up to him because he's a workaholic and he sacrifices more time than anyone else in the company.
Meanwhile Brock's a guy who walked out on wrestling specifically because of the grind. Not to say he should be hated for it, it's just that as much as brock might enjoy wrestling, it's not worth that grind to him.
You can't have Brock go over Cena. It sends a bad message to all the guys who spend their time on the road away from their friends and family for the business.
Cena is loved by everyone in the locker room, because he puts up with the grind of the industry more than anyone else in the locker room. When he's filming movies for WWE studios, he's in the studio from like 5-11 AM, then gets on a plane to head to a few Make a Wish foundation kids and then to perform for house shows/RAW which take place in the late afternoon/evening, then he gets back on a plane at midnight to head back to the studios for movie shooting at 5, getting his sleep on the plane trips and in the brief hour/2 hour breaks he has between the plane trips and his filming/ wrestling events.
Everyone looks up to him because he's a workaholic and he sacrifices more time than anyone else in the company.
Meanwhile Brock's a guy who walked out on wrestling specifically because of the grind. Not to say he should be hated for it, it's just that as much as brock might enjoy wrestling, it's not worth that grind to him.
You can't have Brock go over Cena. It sends a bad message to all the guys who spend their time on the road away from their friends and family for the business.
piratepwnsninja
Member
I need that Brock botch over the top rope in animated gif stat. That was painful looking.
I even liked the first fall. Bryan used to do that type of thing in ROH and it ended in ref stoppage, but in WWE it's a DQ.
cr_blah_blah
Member
Lesnar could have lost, though I don't like it at all, but he needed to go back in the ring and continue to beat the shit out of him walking out of the ring covered in Cenar blood with his music playing. Let him leave the ring strong, why wouldn't you want that?
BoboBrazil
Member
PEOPLE STOPPED WATCHING WWE BECAUSE OF CENA AND HIS SHIT, THEY BUY A PPV TO SEE BROCK WIN, CENA STILL DOING HIS SHIT, NEVER WATCH AGAIN
Hah Taker has done so much for this company. What does Kane have going for him? A feud with Borton? He should just retire already.
But he's not a champ.
Yeah sure, whatever you say.
The Frankman
Banned
These LAW guys are a bit slow I think. They don't know that Cena's going to be gone now? They don't see the build AT ALL THAT THE ROCK DID LIKE 8 YEARS AGO? THAT CENA ARGUABLY DID?
At least they agree it was a great PPV.
At least they agree it was a great PPV.
polyh3dron
Banned
Cena can put all the time in doing all those shitty WWE films, being a goody two shoes and a company man and whatever, it won't make his shitty one dimensional character and schtick any less shitty.
He was all like BORK PLS and it was the company that saved his ass. The shitty company that people stopped supporting because they were sick of Cena's shitty character in the first place.
So fuck the business, fuck Cena's work ethic, fuck the "grind". Brock should have gone over.
He was all like BORK PLS and it was the company that saved his ass. The shitty company that people stopped supporting because they were sick of Cena's shitty character in the first place.
So fuck the business, fuck Cena's work ethic, fuck the "grind". Brock should have gone over.
dream
Member
People know this wretched form of sports entertainment is fake, but there's still a collective suspension of disbelief required to enjoy it. Who's going to buy Brock as a monster heel now?
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
This is key - Brock should not be losing any steam from this, of course it depends on how he acts on Raw tomorrow. It all hinges on that. If they keep the writing up and keep his character focused, this could be excellent.
The money is the worst message that's sent, and Brock going over Cena proves he's here to play ball and not just milk this for all it's work and be a jackhole. Cena accepting all these blood jobs shows how much faith he had as well. Good things all around.
But having the Rock go over Cena is okay with the guys in the back. The guy who changed his name and denied going back to wrestling for years?
The Frankman
Banned
... because he is a monster heel? You act like he somehow shrunk or he didn't just destroy Cena physically.
CENA WON ON A FLUKE AND BARELY WALKED OUT.
bean breath
Member
That smells like Hogan booked it himself.
Officerrob
Banned
I'm guessing you missed the part when a movie star pinned Cena clean at Mania
BoboBrazil
Member
Atleast we know Lord Tensai is better than Brock because he's a wrestler and not a mma fighter. He can beat Cena because he never did MMA. Thanks Vince.
I think you have to reward things other than work ethic too. You have to have a coherent story. You have to keep people interested. Work ethic is not the only thing that matters.
plagiarize
Banned
anyone that saw the match tonight where he beat Cena up so badly they had to stop the match multiple times to glue him back together. who saw where he had Cena pinned for a ten count. who saw where he messed up Cena's arm and sidelined him for months.
those people.
British Monsoon
Member
Some of us supplement it with puroresu and indy wrestling. Suffice to say, the world of pro wrestling makes Vince's horrible sports entertainment easier to swallow.
dream said:
Exactly. The quality of the builds and the outcome of the matches, and how that reflects on the participants in storyline terms, is directly proportional to the number of fucks I give about the product.
Killing_Joke
Member
You guys make my head hurt...lol
So lets say Brock wins...then what?
This ending leaves a clear opening to a big rematch. Brock FUCKED him up, Cena will "take time off"and Brock wants his rematch. Brock is not coming to every RAW and PPV, it would have been pointless to make him the man right now. A good chunk of his dates are probably from Jan to WM29 anyways.
So lets say Brock wins...then what?
This ending leaves a clear opening to a big rematch. Brock FUCKED him up, Cena will "take time off"and Brock wants his rematch. Brock is not coming to every RAW and PPV, it would have been pointless to make him the man right now. A good chunk of his dates are probably from Jan to WM29 anyways.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
I didn't get where Cena was going by talking about going away either. I'm slow too!
Nocturnowl
Member
This guy, he's embracing the hate like no one else!
Well i'm turning in, i'm still smirking Cena style from this ppv's finish
BoboBrazil
Member
Who the fuck cares about Brock now? We know he can't beat Cena. Who gives a shit if he beats Orton? Orton jobbed to fucking Kane and Cody Rhodes. Also Ziggler jobbed to Funkasaurus.
Yes, hate Kane! Embrace it!
Kurt Angle used to be the fucking man. Now he's a washed up loser at TNA
I could care less about Henry. I'm just saying it's going to get bad that Kane's going to be jobbing to him in the future, so they can both be worthless together.
MisterLuffy
Member
The ppv was ok, but the ending sucked big time. At least Cody Rhodes won his belt back against the Big Slow.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, but that asshole wasn't looking to make friends in the back, nor did he have a contract to do much more work with the WWE. He can afford to burn bridges much more than Lesnar.
Actually at this point I think it's a safe bet to say Lord Tensai would be favored in a match between himself and Alistair Overeem.
polyh3dron
Banned
I was mad that both Brock AND Lesnar lost, for sure.
Officerrob
Banned
Brock destroys Cena tonight and he is the clear alpha dog. He dominates several other big names (Orton, Punk, etc) until you either have him feud with a returning Cena, Rock or Undertaker. The way things are now, he's just another guy who came close to beating Cena, but couldn't get the job done.
The Frankman
Banned
Arm is fucked up.I didn't get where Cena was going by talking about going away either. I'm slow too!
He might be shooting Marine 3
Insinuated he might be fired tomorrow
Any can be spun that he's going away. Take your pick, although his arm being fucked up is better for the storyline.
You're getting me all wrong. I don't hate anyone. I just dislike the fact that you guys praise him like he's the best thing to ever happen. Hell, I enjoy some of his matches, but what you guys are doing is annoying.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
It all makes sense now.
British Monsoon
Member
It would have worked the same either way - Brock puts Cena on the shelf, tears it up for a few months, maybe wins the belt, then Cena returns out for revenge and his rematch.