I kind of feel like you're one of the first people to call people out for assuming they know what goes on behind closed doors, yet when you have an opportunity to shit on someone for "complaining on Twitter" when they may have actually talked to Vince and not gotten anywhere you take it without a second thought.
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True, but I think Bryan at least comes off as having more motivation to go for that top spot.
Got to take risks even if it means getting fired.
someone in this thread said that he goes full 20 minute HBK sell 5 minutes into the match, which is pretty dead on
i dunno he was given that big survivor series spot but then he got in with Ryback and Rowan and........nothing happened. then again i wouldnt say Reigns has a character beyond "imma spear/superman punch [opponent] till they cant get up, then I will pin them". And cocking his wrist.
which i kinda like in a really goofy way
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Speaking of faces with no fucking character, Roman fucking Reigns.
I don't buy any of the "can't outsell Cena" or other favoritism bullshit.
Yet I still don't understand the treament of Zack Ryder since the guy was printing merchandise money above and beyond a lot of the other, more tenured, and more talented wrestlers. If you can use crowds at shows and what they're wearing as an estimated measure of merch sales, which I think you can, there was a lot of his shit (shirts glasses wigs etc.) on kids.
It's just strange, really. He felt like the kind of short-term sales guy you ride for as long as possible and then when it inevitably flames out after a year, you then kick him aside.
Yet I still don't understand the treament of Zack Ryder since the guy was printing merchandise money above and beyond a lot of the other, more tenured, and more talented wrestlers. If you can use crowds at shows and what they're wearing as an estimated measure of merch sales, which I think you can, there was a lot of his shit (shirts glasses wigs etc.) on kids.
It's just strange, really. He felt like the kind of short-term sales guy you ride for as long as possible and then when it inevitably flames out after a year, you then kick him aside.
alright i got to the one that has an extended segment at the end of one video which consisted of an interviewer asking Miz, HHH, Cena et al. "WHY ISN'T ZACK RYDER ON TV". Feels yuckkkkkkkkkk
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If your discussion with the higher ups didn't go anywhere, it's even WORSE form to complain on Twitter. It's all bad.
But yes you're right, guilty! I'm quick to jump on things I hate, and I hate Zack Ryder complaining on twitter.
Looks like this guy is trying to be the Zack Ryder of Nintendo
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1025671
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1025671
Well of course, show offs don't want to be the top guy, they want to out do the top guy.
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This is because Konnan, someone who is nowhere near being a source in this department, suggested that Punk started to outsell Cena's merch so he said WWE got scared, decided to stop making as much money as they can, and keep Cena's product higher.
Because uh...
um, well....
Because it tells CM Punk stans exactly what they want to hear.
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PWG Dont Sweat The Technique Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbYG9tWjH0
looks amaizng as usual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbYG9tWjH0
looks amaizng as usual
notworksafe
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For the time in WWE, Doctor of Thuganomics Cena was a pretty unique gimmick. I imagine if it didn't work out like it did, Cena would have gotten the boot pretty quick.
lovely ladies
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I don't know, Bryan's strikes actually look legitimate though (as legitimate as wrassles could get). I can't take anything Ziggler does seriously when he's bouncing around like he's on flubber for 95% of the match.
Young dog trying to prove himself and become the next champ and face of the WWE. That's a character with motivations.
He doesn't even have a chant!
I think his character is more "i'm the rocks cousin and thats why i should win the title".
actually, that's what his heel persona should be
"BOOOOOOO" isn't a chant?
If nobody wants to listen to you in a business like WWE that's pretty much writing on the wall that the words FUTURE ENDEVOURS are in your immediate future. At that point why not go to Twitter and try to make some kind of last ditch career saving splash?
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Roman absolutely has character.
He is being told (as of a couple weeks ago) he WILL do something. To BELIEVE in him. And he was going to deliver on that. That it's not all just talk, and he's not just having things handed from him because he is Sah-mowan.
It might not be a character you like, but he has clear motivation and character for being in the upper echelon of wrestlers.
That's not at all his character. Is this one of those internet crusades you've joined?
Dolph Zigglers desire is to steal the show no matter what match on the card he's on. He also thinks some people are turds.
"Now I'm going to do whatever it takes to keep it around my waste and prove i'm the best"
He's basically 21st Century Ric Flair without the alcohol and WOO
FallingEdge
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this is such a load of bs lol
this is no different than ziggler and his will to entertain
I'm cool with that.
I can see people finding it obnoxious. But in Ryder's case, it was probably either be quietly fired after some Wrestlemania, or channel his frustrations into something unique. If he got fired? Hey same result. But it ended up being successful for him. Here we are, 3-4 years later and he's still on the roster. I think his days are numbered though.
Also, I don't know if you can parallel the WWE environment to a regular work environment. If I show up to work without a shirt, start insulting my boss, and then give him a Stunner, I'm going to get fired. In the WWE, your job is to connect with people so they will want to spend money on the product. Ryder found a way to do that, even if it was in a non-traditional way.
Ryder's treatment felt spiteful to me. He seemed like he was selling merch and driving social media attention during a period where WWE really started caring about that. That said, I can understand it being a message to other talent about going behind leadership's back to try and make a name for himself.
Roman wants to be the champ and be the face of the company. Ziggler wants to show the internet that he can bump that best and doesn't even care about titles.
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"and now I'm gonna run from shit for a while. because that's what I do" He's slippery, he gets out of a lot of bullshit.
Turd-building is a good addition.
Roland_Gunner
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Ryder didn't start doing that stuff until after he got buried. He was very positive until it was obvious that the WWE was never going to do anything with him.
Pop-O-Matic
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Let's be real here: The only dudes with even a smidge of real character are the few Superstars tier jobbers who have 80s-90s style Saturday morning cartoon gimmicks.
Not that you'd actually read this but how the hell has Roman wanted to become the face of the company?
All he does is walk through the crowd and spout nursery rimes towards the people in charge of the company.
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How is that expressed though? Because he has a shirt that says it, or he gets promo time? The last time he had ANYTHING was the Survivor Series win. That was a start.
It definitely was spiteful.
Heel logic is the longer you keep the belt the better you are, regardless of how/why you keep it
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Cesaro is on the opposite side of the spectrum, which is "heel who is a heel because he's mean"
Doesn't help that he latches on to anything with heat and finds himself nowhere after he moves on
Doesn't help that he latches on to anything with heat and finds himself nowhere after he moves on
he's in it for the money. always has been. signs fat checks does minimal effort.
it's meta as fuck, but big show is nothing if consistent
notworksafe
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Just being the champ makes him the best. Now he can move into "I'll do whatever it takes to keep the title short of actually fighting anyone" slimy, cowardly heel territory.
blackaroni
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Is Bray still a cult leader?
Does it even matter at this point?
I think technically he is, but none of his current followers are wrestlers. They're just random rednecks and a few scarecrows.