slightconfuse
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NJPW can't work with GFW because Jarrett I'd going to work with triple A. And new japan works with CMLL
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avengers23
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It might be a simple lack of other options. GFW isn't running yet. TNA is a shitshow, and they had a bad experience with Okada working in TNA. WWE's off the table. JAPW's worked with New Japan before, but that was practically a lifetime ago. That leaves ROH as the de facto choice for partner in the US.
Morishima was fun to watch, but his style was unsustainable because he insisted on doing that top rope dropkick every match I would see him in.
Empyrean Heaven
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Okay, this has potential, as long as Gedo isn't in the ring.
Empyrean Heaven
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I'd just hold out for the 97 Nitros. I'm just about finished with WCW in 94 and my God is it terrible.
Liquidsnake
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After listening to Steven Regal on a podcast last week, I watched the youtube video interview conducted back in Feb 2015. The dude has had in interesting life.
avengers23
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I'll give you 3 guess who's taking the pin in that match.
Jeevesmeister
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Fucked up. I wanna see the Biz Cliz invade Lucha Underground.
Paracelsus
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Kazarian looks like Hall with 80lbs less on him, of which 5 is hair.
Are "finishers" even that relevant in the WWE, anyhow? I just got back into watching wrestling since around WM14. The first thing that jumped out at me about the WWE is that it now seems to be built around the Goldberg model - tank sized guys who wrestle stiff. And they basically trade finishers for 15 minutes.
Empyrean Heaven
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Completely agreed, maybe 3-4 years ago when their biggest names hadn't jumped to TNA/WWE and we might be talking turkey, but the NJPW roster is so far ahead of ROH's it's ridiculous. Hell, the best match of the weekend so far is Hiroshi "God of New Japan" Tanahashi vs. Roderick "I haven't been relevant since 2010" Strong.
Actually, scratch that, the Briscoes vs. Nak and Okada is easily the best match of the weekend and I can find no fault with it.
Roland_Gunner
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If Jarrett gets a good enough TV deal that can be worked around. Fantasticmania and the chance to tour in Japan are some of the biggest things that CMLL has right now. If New Japan wants to send guys to GFW I can't imagine CMLL ending the partnership over that. But they won't unless Double J can make a better offer than ROH.
Someone didn't watch Devitt vs Gedo leading up to Devitt's match with Okada.
Empyrean Heaven
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The ONLY reason that match was good.
Elgin pinning Naito might put me over the edge and cease my NJPW sub.
Why would they? It'd be like Bret going over to ECW and jobbing to Taz.
Why would they? It'd be like Bret going over to ECW and jobbing to Taz.
Roland_Gunner
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Just a month or two ago this "tour" was going to be the Bullet Club and two or three Japanese guys. So ROH didn't really have an incentive to help New Japan out. Given how much more interest there is this year I wouldn't be surprised if ROH is willing to book Tanaka or Komatsu. Assuming they both don't go to Mexico as a tag team or something.
Empyrean Heaven
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NJPW isn't exactly adverse to misusing talent itself.
KUSHIDA is still young, he's already a multi-time tag champ and although his Jr. singles title reign was forgettable he could easily bounce back. He's my pick to with the BOSJ this year.
Dorada's main allegiance will always be to CMLL, he's never going to be a full-time star in New Japan.
Naito...yeah, I got nothing. Totally on point there DW.
Also:
British Monsoon
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New Japan likely wouldn't allow their wrestlers to work on cards with AAA talent due to their relationship with CMLL (which was strained recently by the Mr. Niebla shit during Fantasticamania this year), but there's no reason they can't use GFW to promote future PPVs in the west, bring in gaijin talent from other promotions under the GFW banner and provide a network of promotions for their young lions to head to on their learning excursions.
NJPW isn't exactly adverse to misusing talent itself.
Well, I'll give you Naito, but Dorada's just started full-time and KUSHIDA was set for a big push until he concussed Ibushi and Ricochet fucked off to Lucha Underground before giving him his win back.
Can't see Tanaka going to Mexico, they're building him to be a heavyweight, I think. Komatsu will probably do what Hiromu Takahashi has; go to Europe for a few months for that technical wrestling, then head to CMLL.
Yeah, I think I'll start up the '97 Rumble and see how I feel. And yes, wrestling in '94 and '95 is, overall, so bad. It's so strange that it's sandwiched between '92/'93 and '96/'97, which are overall the best times for me.
I'm glad NJPW punishes people for injuring others.
Just like they pulled back on Naito's push for getting a bad reaction from smarks. Then they did the fair thing and pulled back on Okada when he got booed for attacking AJ... Oh...
Empyrean Heaven
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WWF is pretty much gold from WrestleMania X to Summerslam 94 because of the awesome Bret/Owen and Shawn/Diesel/Razor feuds. WCW started hot in 94 with Flair/Vader but when Hogan came in it was all downhill until the NWO.
Empyrean Heaven
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Dorada is an NJPW full timer now? Huh.
Still picking KUSHIDA to win BOSJ and take the title from Kenny.
FallingEdge
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Someone here said it best. ROH should do a special attraction match with Richards vs Shibata. Instant 5* classic.
holy shit
The funniest thing about WWE when they remove match types or moves to 'prevent accidents' or whatever is they always ignore the thing that actually IS the most dangerous part about their jobs. The schedule.
Work in off-seasons, and I bet you'll find a lot less dead wrestlers.
holy shit
Roland_Gunner
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They clearly need new heavyweights but Tanaka would be super small. He's 2 or 3 inches shorter than Naito or Goto even. He could get there but its going to several years of 'supplements'.
British Monsoon
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I didn't say that, but it can't have helped his standing - Ibushi had to pull out of the G1, remember, which was a big blow (even though Honma killed it in his place because, y'know, he's awesome). Also, KUSHIDA likely would have gotten his push regardless, had Ricochet returned.
They pulled back on putting Naito AND Okada in the top-spot for the biggest show of the year - you act like this was only detrimental to Naito, when the fact is that neither guy has proved themselves to be a Tokyo Dome-level draw without Tanahashi or Nakamura holding their hand an THAT's the reason they didn't have the confidence to go through with their plans. Also, the AJ situation isn't comparable, as he just isn't over as a heel any more.
Just for a year. Whether they extend the agreement beyond that, who knows. But Dorada will likely return to CMLL.
Watanabe wasn't too big when he left on his excursion either, but he's bulked up a lot in the past 2-3 years.
Dorada should have run through every single Bullet Club junior. Like this guy is this CMLL big shot who's won everything there is to win. Instead, he just shows up to lose to MegaWeaboo with no build-up and promptly goes back to the 'who cares' opener trios.
I loved watching Tenzan at the last 6 man basically go out of his way to help KUSHIDA get over because of how fucked over he got. Passed down the Mongolian Chop to the young KUSHIDA
edit: Richards would look like a joke next to Shibata.
I loved watching Tenzan at the last 6 man basically go out of his way to help KUSHIDA get over because of how fucked over he got. Passed down the Mongolian Chop to the young KUSHIDA
edit: Richards would look like a joke next to Shibata.
FallingEdge
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Totally different I know, but didn't PRIDE encourage its competitors to take all sorts of drugs?
British Monsoon
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From what I gather from lucha fans, Dorada's hardly booked as a big shot. He has the welterweight belt, a title so meaningless CMLL gave no shits that he didn't even drop it before he left for Japan, and the general perception is that he's a fantastic talent CMLL greatly under-utilise. Now, La Sombra - he is a big shot, which would go some way to explaining why he beat Nakamura and held the IWGP Intercontinental Title, whereas Dorada's putting over Omega for New Japan's jr. belt.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Dorada hold the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Title at least once before this excursion's up.
Agreed, Nak deserved a lot of flak for that match, but people mostly wrote it up to Nagata's age. Nakamura is fantastic, but he can also go off the boil in a big way. I think the last truly great singles match he had was the G1 final.
Empyrean Heaven
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Except Richards works for TNA so not gonna happen. I completely agree that Wolves vs. Super Murder Besties would be a 5* match easy.
FallingEdge
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Well this is good news, apologies if this was posted, WWE 2K15 comes to PC. This is good for us non-console owners.
Gamespot: WWE 2k15 comes to PC
Gamespot: WWE 2k15 comes to PC
I think newer people often are mixing up Nakamura's charisma with his ability to wrestle. He's a great wrestler when he wants to be, but anyone who watched NJPW before his CMLL excursion knows he can phone it in big time. It's why Tanahashi took the ace role so handily from him because Nakamura had several matches where he phoned it in where as Tanahashi was always trying to improve even if he didn't start great. The Orton/Cena parallels have been going on forever for both NJPW and WWE.
The idea of blaming Nagata is insane to me because there are basically 4 guys in Japan who can work with ANYONE. Nagata, Sugiura, Tanaka, and Kojima. And those guys are super vets who take EVERY match super seriously because of the environment they were trained in. So if you're on Nakamura's level and you have an underwhelming match with them? Guess what? You're being lazy.
British Monsoon
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Perfectly good waste of Nakamura.
RevPro > ROH. Nakamura vs Ricochet will probably be better than most matches on the ROH/NJPW shows.
Here are some big Lucha underground Spoilers for the season finale show. Be warned:
Lucha loves there gimmick matches. So much so from one set of tapings they took one from Vince Russo that he did in TNA.
Plus no season 2 announcement. The question is will it get the funding to do a 2nd season?
Lucha loves there gimmick matches. So much so from one set of tapings they took one from Vince Russo that he did in TNA.
Plus no season 2 announcement. The question is will it get the funding to do a 2nd season?
Empyrean Heaven
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What about vs. Ibushi at WK9?
canadian crowe
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Just got my tickets for the last two Super Jr dates. I got Special Ringside seats, but they don't look like ringside seats. Has anybody been to Korakuen or yoyogi National Gymnasium 2?
What does it say when the most sane looking man in the picture is Truth Martini?
Empyrean Heaven
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Well THIS I didn't expect. Might be fun but Nak might be totally lost out there considering I don't think he's ever been in a multi-man match.
British Monsoon
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Ohhhh, that's a good point - I guess I forgot about that match because I wasn't as impressed as everyone else seemed to be and preferred Okada/Tanahashi. It was still a great match, though.
FallingEdge
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Gotta agree with you here. Cole vs Styles will be excellent but I don't consider that to be ROH vs NJPW. Briscoes vs Okada/Nak should be a fun bout but really, that is it. Looking forward to Night 1. Night 2 can stick it. So is doing the show at the beginning of the week. Thumbs down.
Sweeney Tom
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Yeah, my hype for this event has died off. ROH sure does know how to ruin things.